Misc. draft questions

[coult44]

1) Two to three months ago, the two QBs listed as the first two in the draft were always Goff and Lynch. When and why did Wentz shoot up the board like he did? I had barely heard him mentioned, and then BOOM. Was it media hype? Pro day? Campaign? Why the sudden jump, and why wasn't he mentioned all year long like he has been as of late?

2) Is Bosa anything close to Watt. Being honest, I didn't watch much of him. I've read some people that say he's a second round talent, with first round hype. Is that true? Who do you mostly compare him to?

3) Other than can't miss first rounders and an occasional Okay pick, I don't like how we draft. Way too many project guys and injury type guys to be successful. If we bomb again this year, I think Red takes the blunt end and gets canned. With that being said, I see him taking a much stronger stance, and position in the draft this year. He's gonna fight a lot more for the RKG instead of the Gregory/Randle type players that others have made for him. Who's the first round pick that is a can't miss guy this year. The Martin type player that Jason loves. Is there anyone he fell in man love with at the senior bowl because of character?

4) Last question. Is there any way EZekiel Elliot makes it to the second round? If not, what about taking Henry in the second round?

 

[AzorAhai]

1) Most of the Wentz hype is from coaches/scouts/teams actually digging in and talking about these guys. The national draftniks have likely heard a lot of whispers and their boards show it. He wasn't well known to a lot of people here, but theres a good chance the teams just really liked him. I don't think this is a Ponder or Locker rise. Those guys were legitimate 2nd Rd players that were overdrafted.

2). Watt is a bad comparison for Bosa. It's only popular because they're both white. I don't think he's a 2nd Rd player personally. His hype is mostly warranted. I think he's going to hover around 10 sacks a season, play really good run defense and give you a lot of effort on the field. He's in incredibly good shape, has a variety of pass rush moves and whats most impressive is he knows how to use his hands. He doesn't have great burst and as superior as his technique is, I think its fair to wonder how high his ceiling is. There may not be much room to grow. Top 5 talent to me though.

3) This draft doesn't have very many can't miss players. I only see 2 that are low risk/high reward types in Tunsil and Elliott. There are however a lot of very high ceiling guys at the top. Jack, Ramsey, Wentz, Goff, Lynch, Hargreaves and Buckner to name a few. As for Jason Garrett, he should have very little accountability for the draft class. Unless they feel the players are good and he's not getting the most oit of them, it falls at the GMs feet.

4.) Elliott isn't making it to the 2nd Rd. He may not even make it past 10. Henry should be there at 34, but I'm not a fan of his anyways. Dixon, Booker or Howard are the RBs I have my eye on.

 

[waving monkey]

I have resigned myself to Bosa as the guy. He'll be a good player and a close fit.
All my opinions are formed reading the draft gurus so what do I know.
I love Elliott but Bosa fills a bigger need and is highly ranked.
People that I watch speak highly of Wentz but he wont make it to us IMO.
Looking at the ranking of players I like the third round and think it's important in our draft.

 

[Dallas_Cowboys50]

1) Most of the Wentz hype is from coaches/scouts/teams actually digging in and talking about these guys. The national draftniks have likely heard a lot of whispers and their boards show it. He wasn't well known to a lot of people here, but theres a good chance the teams just really liked him. I don't think this is a Ponder or Locker rise. Those guys were legitimate 2nd Rd players that were overdrafted.

2). Watt is a bad comparison for Bosa. It's only popular because they're both white. I don't think he's a 2nd Rd player personally. His hype is mostly warranted. I think he's going to hover around 10 sacks a season, play really good run defense and give you a lot of effort on the field. He's in incredibly good shape, has a variety of pass rush moves and whats most impressive is he knows how to use his hands. He doesn't have great burst and as superior as his technique is, I think its fair to wonder how high his ceiling is. There may not be much room to grow. Top 5 talent to me though.

3) This draft doesn't have very many can't miss players. I only see 2 that are low risk/high reward types in Tunsil and Elliott. There are however a lot of very high ceiling guys at the top. Jack, Ramsey, Wentz, Goff, Lynch, Hargreaves and Buckner to name a few. As for Jason Garrett, he should have very little accountability for the draft class. Unless they feel the players are good and he's not getting the most oit of them, it falls at the GMs feet.

4.) Elliott isn't making it to the 2nd Rd. He may not even make it past 10. Henry should be there at 34, but I'm not a fan of his anyways. Dixon, Booker or Howard are the RBs I have my eye on.

Spot On!

 

[Tabascocat]

I will be happy with either Bosa or Elliot, anyone else(especially the QB's) scare me. Jack and Ramsey have a lot of question marks for me as well.

 

[kazzd58]

I will be happy with either Bosa or Elliot, anyone else(especially the QB's) scare me. Jack and Ramsey have a lot of question marks for me as well.

A lot of questions about Ramsey? id like to hear those questions that you have since its alot?

 

[CATCH17]

1) Two to three months ago, the two QBs listed as the first two in the draft were always Goff and Lynch. When and why did Wentz shoot up the board like he did? I had barely heard him mentioned, and then BOOM. Was it media hype? Pro day? Campaign? Why the sudden jump, and why wasn't he mentioned all year long like he has been as of late?

2) Is Bosa anything close to Watt. Being honest, I didn't watch much of him. I've read some people that say he's a second round talent, with first round hype. Is that true? Who do you mostly compare him to?

3) Other than can't miss first rounders and an occasional Okay pick, I don't like how we draft. Way too many project guys and injury type guys to be successful. If we bomb again this year, I think Red takes the blunt end and gets canned. With that being said, I see him taking a much stronger stance, and position in the draft this year. He's gonna fight a lot more for the RKG instead of the Gregory/Randle type players that others have made for him. Who's the first round pick that is a can't miss guy this year. The Martin type player that Jason loves. Is there anyone he fell in man love with at the senior bowl because of character?

4) Last question. Is there any way EZekiel Elliot makes it to the second round? If not, what about taking Henry in the second round?

1. Wentz is a super talent. That is why he has jumped up so high. He's a create a player at that position.

2. No.. Bosa is closer to Demarcus Lawrence than he is Demarcus Ware or JJ Watt. He's a first round talent but top 5 is too rich imo but the position he plays gives him high value.

3. Agree except for the Red getting fired part. He can't do anything to get fired. He's a made man. Worst coach in football.

4. No. Henry could last till the 2nd but I doubt we're interested.

 

[jazzcat22]

Wentz was injured for what, half of the season with a broken wrist, or injured wrist.
His bowl game for the championship he played lights out, and shot him up the charts. He was mid 2nd round until then. After that it was debated if he was a 1st rounder because being from a small school. The senior bowl and all the press has shot him up to the top.

Watt wasn't Watt coming into the NFL. I mean everyone knew he was going to be good, but not as good as he has been. Bosa is ranked that high for a reason. He gets the compariosons for whatever reasons, maybe coming from Big 10 programs. And many fans pick a side on players. They think one will be a bust because they don't like the school he is from, or they simply don't like the hype or press. Like some like players because others hate him, so they take the stand that he will be good.
Bosa will be a very good, if not great player for some team.

I agree, we take too many chances on injured / project players afte the first few rounds. Or players with issues thinknig the plan / staff / support group can fix anyone or anything. I do ont think JG's job is in jeopardy though. I think he gets 2 more years regardless. If they implode, or barelt lose out, there will be a reason in JJ's mind to keep in. right now, i would not doubt if we start hearing things about the next 2 years plans to get get Romo and Witten their rings.

No way Zeke drops to the 2nd. At worse maybe mid 1st or so. I been saying since the end of November, Lynch or Goff in the first, Henry in the 2nd. Or Elliot in the 1st, a QB, at the time, Hackenberg or Wentz in the 2nd. This was when we could have been picking as low as the 18th pick and Elliot was #22 on the CBS list.

 

[tyke1doe]

1. Wentz is a super talent. That is why he has jumped up so high. He's a create a player at that position.

2. No.. Bosa is closer to Demarcus Lawrence than he is Demarcus Ware or JJ Watt. He's a first round talent but top 5 is too rich imo but the position he plays gives him high value.

3. Agree except for the Red getting fired part. He can't do anything to get fired. He's a made man. Worst coach in football.

4. No. Henry could last till the 2nd but I doubt we're interested.

I don't understand the bold. Could you explain, please?

I agree with the rest. Bosa scares me. He projects as average on the NFL level, at least to me. And I'm scared of drafting potheads high - pardon the pun - in the draft order, especially in the first two rounds.

Just like Michael "Gotta Cut a Brotha" and "Do you know, sniff, sniff, Who I Am" Irvin did to Randy Moss, I think Randy "The Forgotten Doobie Brother" Gregory will do to Joey Bosa. I think we'll puff, puff pass on him because he can't pass on the puff, puff.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't understand the bold. Could you explain, please?

I agree with the rest. Bosa scares me. He projects as average on the NFL level, at least to me. And I'm scared of drafting potheads high - pardon the pun - in the draft order, especially in the first two rounds.

Just like Michael "Gotta Cut a Brotha" and "Do you know, sniff, sniff, Who I Am" Irvin did to Randy Moss, I think Randy "The Forgotten Doobie Brother" will do to Joey Bosa. I think we'll puff, puff pass on him because he can't pass on the puff, puff.

Create a player... Like if you play Madden or any other sports game and you create your own player it will look something like Wentz.


Tall, Fast, Big arm.. Just a freak talent.

 

[tyke1doe]

Create a player... Like if you play Madden or any other sports game and you create your own player it will look something like Wentz.


Tall, Fast, Big arm.. Just a freak talent.

Thanks. Believe it or not, I've NEVER played Madden.

 

[reddyuta]

TBH to Bosa even Watt was said to have a slow first step(many here didnt agree ) .To me the difference is Watt is a once in a lifetime athlete and he has put rest all the pre draft questions to rest spectacularly.Bosa is not as athletic as Watt who is so quick off the ball that he beat Tyron's first step when we played them.

 

[sbark]

John Gruden just called Wentz "the most NFL ready QB" in the last several years.........

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Carson number #1 overall? Cris Collinsworth thinks so...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...fl-mock-draft/

 

[IrishAnto]

A lot of questions about Ramsey? id like to hear those questions that you have since its alot?

I don't know about "a lot" but there are questions.

1. He would appear to be a better safety than CB, but that's where Dallas would probably try to play him first. IMO he won't be as good a corner as he would safety.
2. Turnovers: He made no ints playing CB and only 3 for his career. Now as a safety you could throw in TFL, sacks and fumbles caused, which brings us to the point above.

 

[Risen Star]

John Gruden just called Wentz "the most NFL ready QB" in the last several years.........

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Carson number #1 overall? Cris Collinsworth thinks so...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...fl-mock-draft/

Wentz should have already been drafted. It's disrespectful to wait until the actual draft.

 

[RandyOh]

1.) Go back even further then a few months ago to before the start of the season and you will see that Lynch was still an unknown and Wentz was a day 2 prospect. Hackenberg was the top prize QB in this draft followed by Goff and Cook. Now Cook may not even go in the 1st and Hackenberg may even fall into the 3rd. Its why you shouldn't listen to the posters who are saying the QB's in the next few years will all suck and will all be 2nd or 3rd round picks then follow it up by banging their fist on the table for the QB who was originally projected as a day 2 pick. Speaking of which. Just get us Wentz ******!!!!

2.) Bosa is not Watt. He is Chris Long. He is considered a top prospect because he plays a premium position that lacks a top edge rusher in this years draft class.

3.) Jalen Ramsey. top defensive player who is clean off the field...or hasn't gotten caught. either way RKG

4.) no Zeke wont fall to the 2nd and i would only take Henry if their no defensive player worth it which i doubt so pass on Henry. give me a 3rd or 4th round back.

 

[kazzd58]

I don't know about "a lot" but there are questions.

1. He would appear to be a better safety than CB, but that's where Dallas would probably try to play him first. IMO he won't be as good a corner as he would safety.
2. Turnovers: He made no ints playing CB and only 3 for his career. Now as a safety you could throw in TFL, sacks and fumbles caused, which brings us to the point above.

ok those are legitimate concerns

 

[DFWJC]

I will be happy with either Bosa or Elliot, anyone else(especially the QB's) scare me. Jack and Ramsey have a lot of question marks for me as well.

What are Ramsey's question marks?
I don't see anything that jumps out.

 

[DFWJC]

John Gruden just called Wentz "the most NFL ready QB" in the last several years.........

***
Carson number #1 overall? Cris Collinsworth thinks so...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...fl-mock-draft/

This is the guy that thought Manziel should go #1 overall and was disrespecting everyone that passed on him throughout the 1st round.
I like ol Gruden okay, but he gets too excited and loses his rational thought at times.
He may end up right on this one, but just sayin.

 

[Tabascocat]

ok those are legitimate concerns

Those were mine as well.