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Sam I Am;4237975 said:Papelbon isn't the same player he used to be.
No, he isn't.
Sam I Am;4237975 said:Papelbon isn't the same player he used to be.
bbgun;4237995 said:One of the saddest moments from my childhood. I think the ball is still flying.
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MichaelWinicki;4238059 said:No, he isn't.
2010 was a very poor season for Papelbon compared to how he performed in the years prior to that. He rebounded a bit in 2011, but he still didn't get back to his best form.Risen Star;4238110 said:The stats don't back that up at all.
Rogah;4238126 said:The Phillies are a better team with Papelbon than they are without him, but they definitely overpaid.
Rogah;4238131 said:2010 was a very poor season for Papelbon compared to how he performed in the years prior to that. He rebounded a bit in 2011, but he still didn't get back to his best form.
I'm not sure the numbers he put up this year were worth the dollars Philly signed him for. Not to mention that he did more than his fair share down the stretch in contributing to Boston's historic collapse.Risen Star;4238160 said:I'd take the numbers he put up this year for the life of that contract and consider it a very good deal.
Risen Star;4238110 said:The stats don't back that up at all.
MichaelWinicki;4238935 said:The guy the Phillies gave up...
4-2 32 saves 2.37 ERA 2 Blown Saves
The guy the Phillies signed...
4-1 31 saves 2.94 ERA 3 Blown Saves
I'm not seeing any huge difference between the two. I don't think it's a net gain.
I've read a lot of articles questioning the signing.
If I'm a Philly fan, I'm not going "ga-ga" over this signing.
Risen Star;4239560 said:I've read a lot of articles for the signing too. And I haven't read one that thinks Papelbon isn't a better closer than Madson. The only criticism is the years.
Now, since you want to post stats, show us Papelbon's career closer stats. Then do Madson's.
MichaelWinicki;4239682 said:Papelbon has had a great career.
But that doesn't mean Madson wouldn't have not given the Phillies the same type of production on 2012 as he had in 2011.
Here's an article where someone point blank thinks Madson would have been a better option...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/133707308.html
Risen Star;4248431 said:Seems like a no brainer move to me. I question spending big on a closer. I don't question taking the superior Papelbon over the inferior Madson.
Rogah;4238126 said:The Phillies are a better team with Papelbon than they are without him, but they definitely overpaid.