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bbgun;4237995 said:
One of the saddest moments from my childhood. I think the ball is still flying.

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Yeah, but I offset that by the Chambliss HR in the '76 playoffs.
 

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The Phillies are a better team with Papelbon than they are without him, but they definitely overpaid.
 

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Risen Star;4238110 said:
The stats don't back that up at all.
2010 was a very poor season for Papelbon compared to how he performed in the years prior to that. He rebounded a bit in 2011, but he still didn't get back to his best form.
 

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Rogah;4238126 said:
The Phillies are a better team with Papelbon than they are without him, but they definitely overpaid.

Losing in the first round to a WC team (albeit a very good one, as we all discovered) makes you do crazy things.
 

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Rogah;4238131 said:
2010 was a very poor season for Papelbon compared to how he performed in the years prior to that. He rebounded a bit in 2011, but he still didn't get back to his best form.

I'd take the numbers he put up this year for the life of that contract and consider it a very good deal.

I'm not saying this comes without risk. Sure it does. But if the alternative was to pay similar money and years to a guy like Madson, I'd rather have a guy whose done it for several years and in the best division in baseball.
 

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Marlins Make Offers to Pujols, Reyes, Buehrle

The Marlins have made "substantial offers" to both Albert Pujols and Jose Reyes, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports and have also offered a contract to Mark Buehrle, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (both Twitter links). The team met with Pujols today, Reyes on Wednesday and Buehrle on Tuesday but apparently already felt comfortable enough to make contract offers, though Heyman reports there is "nothing close" to a deal with any of the three.

Miami's aggressiveness is no surprise, given how the Marlins have been in hot pursuit of several top free agents already this offseason. It's unlikely that Pujols, Reyes or Buehrle would sign so early without fully exploring the market for their services, though a blow-away offer from the Marlins could change their minds.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/marlins-make-substantial-offers-to-pujols-reyes.html
 

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Risen Star;4238160 said:
I'd take the numbers he put up this year for the life of that contract and consider it a very good deal.
I'm not sure the numbers he put up this year were worth the dollars Philly signed him for. Not to mention that he did more than his fair share down the stretch in contributing to Boston's historic collapse.

But like I said, the Phillies are better with him than without him. It ain't my money so it doesn't bother me that they overpaid. Of course, we'll likely never know what player they couldn't sign because they got Papelbon, so the true cost will probably never be known.
 

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The guy the Phillies gave up...

4-2 32 saves 2.37 ERA 2 Blown Saves

The guy the Phillies signed...

4-1 31 saves 2.94 ERA 3 Blown Saves


I'm not seeing any huge difference between the two. I don't think it's a net gain.

I've read a lot of articles questioning the signing.

If I'm a Philly fan, I'm not going "ga-ga" over this signing.
 

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Risen Star;4238110 said:
The stats don't back that up at all.

Stats mean nothing when you fold when it counts the most and that is what Papelbon did.

Can he help get you to the playoffs? Yeah, can he help send you home. Most definitely.

He has lost his touch. Distraction is now in him. The worst of it is, that the distraction is now himself.

He is the epitome of CJ Wilson.
 

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MichaelWinicki;4238935 said:
The guy the Phillies gave up...

4-2 32 saves 2.37 ERA 2 Blown Saves

The guy the Phillies signed...

4-1 31 saves 2.94 ERA 3 Blown Saves


I'm not seeing any huge difference between the two. I don't think it's a net gain.

I've read a lot of articles questioning the signing.

If I'm a Philly fan, I'm not going "ga-ga" over this signing.

I've read a lot of articles for the signing too. And I haven't read one that thinks Papelbon isn't a better closer than Madson. The only criticism is the years.

Now, since you want to post stats, show us Papelbon's career closer stats. Then do Madson's.
 

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Cards Don't Plan To Greatly Increase Offer To Pujols


By Mike Axisa [November 12 at 7:07pm CST]

Albert Pujols is being wooed by the Miami Marlins, but that hasn't forced his former team's hand just yet. SI.com's Jon Heyman reports (on Twitter) that the Cardinals do not plan to greatly increase the nine-year, $210MM contract offer they made to Pujols before the season.

The Marlins are the only team to extend an offer to Pujols so far this offseason, but we have heard that the Angels, Dodgers, Yankees, and Rangers are unlikely to pursue the slugger. It was reported earlier today that Miami's offer "probably isn’t close to being enough" to lure Pujols away from St. Louis. Only a handful of teams can afford to match the Cardinals' original offer, so there's no reason for them to sweeten the pot just yet.
 

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Risen Star;4239560 said:
I've read a lot of articles for the signing too. And I haven't read one that thinks Papelbon isn't a better closer than Madson. The only criticism is the years.

Now, since you want to post stats, show us Papelbon's career closer stats. Then do Madson's.

Papelbon has had a great career.

But that doesn't mean Madson wouldn't have not given the Phillies the same type of production on 2012 as he had in 2011.

Here's an article where someone point blank thinks Madson would have been a better option...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/133707308.html
 

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MichaelWinicki;4239682 said:
Papelbon has had a great career.

But that doesn't mean Madson wouldn't have not given the Phillies the same type of production on 2012 as he had in 2011.

Here's an article where someone point blank thinks Madson would have been a better option...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/133707308.html

And here's one for the signing.

The Phillies get a soon-to-be 31-year-old closer who has more than just survived in the American League East, with 219 saves for the Red Sox over the last six years (third in baseball behind Francisco Rodriguez and Mariano Rivera). They get a guy who has closed out a World Series, a guy coming off a strong year.

They get a guy who will go into the season as the no-doubt closer . . . something Madson never did in nine full seasons in Philadelphia.

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/33242180


And another....

For the Phillies, the impact is obvious: They have a new closer, one who is in his prime and coming off an impressive season with the Red Sox. He won’t be cheap. He won’t be scared when it comes to closing important games in a small ballpark. He’s done that.

Sure, it’s ironic that the Phillies went big on another closer immediately after Brad Lidge’s cinder-block paperweight came off the books. But it’s hard to find much fault with this.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...ree-agent-market-for-remaining-closers-111111


There's no guarantee in any FA signing, but if we're gonna spend large dollars on a closer, I certainly would rather spend it on a guy whose done it his entire career than a guy who has a whopping half a year doing it. Especially when that guy is actually older than the first guy.

Seems like a no brainer move to me. I question spending big on a closer. I don't question taking the superior Papelbon over the inferior Madson.
 

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Marlins' Offer To Pujols Is Under $200MM


By Zach Links [November 16 at 3:55pm CST]

The Marlins' offer to Albert Pujols is for less than $200MM, according to Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post. Yesterday, it was reported that the Marlins' offer is believed to be for nine years, but Capozzi isn't sure of the length of the offer.

Capozzi also adds that the Marlins reported offer of $90MM over six years to Jose Reyes is not accurate, but close. Reyes is said to be intrigued by the idea of playing in warm weather and for Ozzie Guillen.

This afternoon, the Cardinals re-engaged in contract talks with Pujols' agent Dan Lozano for the first time since February.
 

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Risen Star;4248431 said:
Seems like a no brainer move to me. I question spending big on a closer. I don't question taking the superior Papelbon over the inferior Madson.

Papelbon a very good relief guy. I just don't see him giving the Phils any more than what Madson did. 4-2, 30 saves.

The Phils have "maintained" they haven't really improved.
 

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Phillies just don't get it.

I think Pujols will give Miami a long hard look, too. Already won 2 WS titles, Ozzie Guillen is managing, new stadium, it's Miami, no state tax. Maybe he decides to go have a little fun and compete instead of trying to play for a contender at this stage of his career.
 

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Rogah;4238126 said:
The Phillies are a better team with Papelbon than they are without him, but they definitely overpaid.

Eh, we'd have been better off with Madson.
 
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