MM and Dak contract?

So, terms of the deal don’t factor in? Most stories say Dak is the holdout (because of the 5th year), not the team.

Of course they do and i'm sure they did with all those other teams too. But those teams found a way to get it done. Why can't ours? I gave you my answer, what's yours. Cowboys want a 5th year, Dak was asking for 45m in that 5th season, do you think 5 years from now that one extra year at that price is the hold up to the deal? If the Cowboys truly want Dak that would not hold up the deal

Dak is playing on the tag this season (at least it looks that way) So does he ask for a 3 year deal next season to keep things at 4 years total? and if the Cowboys offerred him a 4 year deal next season would he take that or turn it down because it just like signing a 5 year deal this year
 
You are right about that being the argument, but my point is that even if that were true (which is debatable), how does having other talented players remove the need for a quality QB to run the offense, or change the fact that it takes paying market prices to have and keep a quality QB?

I think ultimately Erod just isn’t a fan of Dak and this is the current argument he is using. If he isn’t a fan of Dak, that’s okay. We can all have our opinions. But I don’t see this as an argument. It still just comes down to believing in Dak or not.
Of course but it’s a valid talking point IMO. I think most of us agree Dak deserves to be paid but the bigger issue or argument is how much and why we’re still at an impasse up until the deadline today.
 
So, terms of the deal don’t factor in? Most stories say Dak is the holdout (because of the 5th year), not the team.
Perhaps it’s all about perception. Assuming the reports are true and the Cowboys have an offer on the table then if Dak doesn’t accept then it’s a hold out or refusal , however you’d like to describe it.
 
Of course they do and i'm sure they did with all those other teams too. But those teams found a way to get it done. Why can't ours? I gave you my answer, what's yours. Cowboys want a 5th year, Dak was asking for 45m in that 5th season, do you think 5 years from now that one extra year at that price is the hold up to the deal? If the Cowboys truly want Dak that would not hold up the deal

Dak is playing on the tag this season (at least it looks that way) So does he ask for a 3 year deal next season to keep things at 4 years total? and if the Cowboys offerred him a 4 year deal next season would he take that or turn it down because it just like signing a 5 year deal this year
And this is why the local and national media are bashing the Cowboys because we aren’t getting it done. We didn’t get it done last year wanting to push it forward.

And it’s going to cost us even more next year and why we are being bashed as this will ultimately cost the Cowboys more if they are intent on retaining Dak.
 
And this is why the local and national media are bashing the Cowboys because we aren’t getting it done. We didn’t get it done last year wanting to push it forward.

And it’s going to cost us even more next year and why we are being bashed as this will ultimately cost the Cowboys more if they are intent on retaining Dak.

I think they have decided to see if he can lead the team to a SB this season and if he does they will give/offer him a deal like Mahomes got, maybe a tiny bit more which won't be too bad because Mahomes deal is pretty team friendly, but if he doesn't then they are moving on. Our team has a ton of talent on offense and what i would probably call at least a Top12 D. We need a SB or very deep run in the playoffs for this to pay off for Dak
 
So, this means Jimmy Johnson wasn’t sold on Emmitt Smith in 1993?
Right but the difference here is Dak is under contract now for franchise tag and after 3:00 today we won’t be allowed to extend him to another contract until at least January 2021 when 2020 season expires.

By all accounts it will cost us more next year. And why we should have got a deal done last year if we are intent on retaining Dak. The further this goes brings all of that into question.
 
I think they have decided to see if he can lead the team to a SB this season and if he does they will give/offer him a deal like Mahomes got, maybe a tiny bit more which won't be too bad because Mahomes deal is pretty team friendly, but if he doesn't then they are moving on. Our team has a ton of talent on offense and what i would probably call at least a Top12 D. We need a SB or very deep run in the playoffs for this to pay off for Dak
I understand but the bottomline is this is potentially a very costly financial move by the Cowboys. And why we are being bashed.

We could basically lock him up for about 35 million for 4 years right now.

This is of course assuming we want to retain him.
 
We need to decide if Dak is our guy of the future. If he is he won’t ever be cheaper than today.
 
Of course they do and i'm sure they did with all those other teams too. But those teams found a way to get it done. Why can't ours? I gave you my answer, what's yours. Cowboys want a 5th year, Dak was asking for 45m in that 5th season, do you think 5 years from now that one extra year at that price is the hold up to the deal? If the Cowboys truly want Dak that would not hold up the deal

Dak is playing on the tag this season (at least it looks that way) So does he ask for a 3 year deal next season to keep things at 4 years total? and if the Cowboys offerred him a 4 year deal next season would he take that or turn it down because it just like signing a 5 year deal this year
I don't recall any of those other teams and QB's claiming the player was holding out for a shorter term, or that the team was pushing a 5 year term and was unwilling to bend. Besides, they all got 4 year terms, so Dak asking for 4 years isn't really asking for more than they got.

The difference is more on the team side because since the Cowboys didn't negotiate an extension while the rookie contract was still in place they don't have more time to spread the cap hit over like the Eagles and Rams. My guess is if the Cowboys had made a 4 year extension offer last year in the same range as the Eagles and Rams did, Dak would have got his money, and the Cowboys would have an extra year to spread the cap hit over.

As for how Dak would view things after playing on the tag a year, none of us can say for sure, but that's not really relevant to the negotiation to get him signed today. If I had to guess I would think 4 years would still be okay for him, but the 4 years would be at 2021 market prices rather than 2020.

As for the Cowboys not holding up a deal if they truly wanted Dak, my counter to that would be twofold. First, the Cowboys negotiated hard with Emmitt in 1993, even to the point that Emmitt missed the first two games of the season, and it would be hard to claim the Cowboys didn't truly want him. The second would be that it doesn't seem realistic to think the Cowboys would have stuck so long to these negotiations, or be pushing for a 5th year, if they didn't truly want Dak.
 
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Right but the difference here is Dak is under contract now for franchise tag and after 3:00 today we won’t be allowed to extend him to another contract until at least January 2021 when 2020 season expires.

By all accounts it will cost us more next year. And why we should have got a deal done last year if we are intent on retaining Dak. The further this goes brings all of that into question.
I don't think that supports the thought because it actually means there is less urgency with Dak because there is no risk of him missing games this year.
 
Perhaps it’s all about perception. Assuming the reports are true and the Cowboys have an offer on the table then if Dak doesn’t accept then it’s a hold out or refusal , however you’d like to describe it.
Perception is part of the game, and the Cowboys probably have turned the perception in their favor even if they are as much or more to blame.
 
Hmmmm!!??? If MM was sold on Dak, would he be signed?? Maybe MM would rather have him on a one year deal and have a chance to evaluate his skill set and their relationship......

I say the same thing, his quick plan B would be who he brought in to back up Dak & draft one next year to develop. Don’t get me wrong though I love me some Dak and have always thought he needs the west coast offense, but if it weren’t to workout with him you aren’t stuck to him.
 
Hmmmm!!??? If MM was sold on Dak, would he be signed?? Maybe MM would rather have him on a one year deal and have a chance to evaluate his skill set and their relationship......

One of Jerry's recent comment struck a cord with me . . . he said he wants to be sure he'll win with Dak before writing the big checks. Perhaps he felt cheated by the fact that he didn't win a division title with Dak as his QB in Philly. Seems to me like the FO wants more proof of his "elite" qualities. That 8-8 record also could easily have left the FO wanting more.
 
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I had a terrible nightmare recently where, under Garrett, the Giants offense became the best in the league........and under MM we were still anemic check down charlie stuff. At a post game press conference, MM comes in, shrugs his shoulders and says "what did you expect?.....same QB, same problems.."
Well..

its not necessarily a nightmare.

This is going to be how it starts out for sure.

No way is this offense going to move away from what it does best..run the ball.

Dak plays best with quick throws and getting rid of the ball to avoid sacks. Like it was in 2016.

Once defenses come up to stack the box, the passing goes downfield.

Defenses are going to assume Dak does not have the arm to beat them.

And he really doesn't. But the scheme has to help Dak and guys like Lamb need to take some of the pressure away.

Notice how we are not talking much about our #2 WR?

I think he becomes a big target downfield. We see Amari and Lamb drawing double coverage a lot. This leaves others to contribute a lot.

This year we will probably have to sacrifice big running yardage for big plays downfield.

Dak is the key.

This is what he wants.

He's going to get it.
 
Hmmmm!!??? If MM was sold on Dak, would he be signed?? Maybe MM would rather have him on a one year deal and have a chance to evaluate his skill set and their relationship......

MM is not sold on Dak!
Do you think it was Jerry's idea to go pick up Dalton?
MM called Dalton upon his release which translates and proves there was a plan in place.
MM is not Jason and will not lose his job due to the ineptness of our offense and Dak who leads it.
 
This doesn't have anything to do with McCarthy. It's all about Dak and the Cowboys reaching an agreement.

Couldn't get a deal done with Dak last year either, before MM came.

I think after Dak's roaring first 3 games in 2019, his estimate of his value diverged from management's.
 
MM is not sold on Dak!
Do you think it was Jerry's idea to go pick up Dalton?
MM called Dalton upon his release which translates and proves there was a plan in place.
MM is not Jason and will not lose his job due to the ineptness of our offense and Dak who leads it.

They should have contacted Dalton as a matter of due diligence, and given his asking price, signing him to replace Cooper Rush was a total no brainer.

Signing Dalton is not the stuff of which conspiracy theories are made.
 
They should have contacted Dalton as a matter of due diligence, and given his asking price, signing him to replace Cooper Rush was a total no brainer.

Signing Dalton is not the stuff of which conspiracy theories are made.

You are trying to downplay and brush off the importance of the Dalton signing.
It's ok you will experience it live come this coming season.
 

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