MM explains his thought process of going for 2

[CowboyRoy]

That's fair. But if you take the XP there and score the next drive, you then have to get the 2 pointer. If you miss there, you still have to score again anyway. At least with that amount of time, you have a chance to do EXACTLY what we did.

How so? You can kick an on sides kick regardless if you want to.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

They missed yesterday and the game wasn't over. I mean, you just saw it happen.

If you kick the xp and then miss the 2-pointer later, the game is definitely over, because you almost certainly ran the clock down more on the second scoring drive.

Exactly! That's EXACTLY right!! What the other team would do on the next drive is play a lot of soft coverage. If you score, then you know they'll sell out for the 2 point conversion making it THAT much harder to make it. If 2 point conversions were as easy as some here seem to think, I guarantee you teams would try them just about every TD. Yet they don't. Why? Because they're bloody difficult!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nope, makes perfect sense (and as proved by the win). If we missed the 2 point conversion at the end of the game, we would have lost without a chance to score again.

Nope...…..…..you can do an onsides kick regardless.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly! That's EXACTLY right!! What the other team would do on the next drive is play a lot of soft coverage. If you score, then you know they'll sell out for the 2 point conversion making it THAT much harder to make it. If 2 point conversions were as easy as some here seem to think, I guarantee you teams would try them just about every TD. Yet they don't. Why? Because they're bloody difficult!

LOL...….so why try for it if you know that trying for it was a loss? You just disproved your own point.

Only reason your stance isn't completely laughed out of this place is because we recovered the kick. A strategy of banking on recovering a kick is just dumb.

 

[cffl2323]

Good lord this thread makes my head hurt. It's amazing this many people can't see how obvious it is that we made the right call, and the arguments against it are almost more mind boggling.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

How so? You can kick an on sides kick regardless if you want to.

Because there'd be a lot less time. The Falcons D would play a soft D to try to drain you of clock while you move down the field. By taking the attempt there, we had TIME to readjust, which we did.

 

[JD_KaPow]

How so? You can kick an on sides kick regardless if you want to.

Here are the possibilities after you score the first TD and find yourself down 9.

1. Go for two, make it. You're down 7. Great! Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to let the clock run down and hopefully score the TD with very little time remaining for the other team to mount a FG drive at the end of regulation.
2. Go for two, miss it. You're down 9. Bummer. Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to score as fast as possible, because you know you need the onside kick and a third drive.
3. Kick the xp. You're down 8. You do not know what your optimal strategy is on the next drive, because you do not know if you need one score or two scores. Most teams (actually all teams), down 8, will play it as if they were down 7 and play for overtime, letting the clock run. The problem is, if you let the clock run and miss the 2-pointer, you don't have as much time for the last ditch onside kick and drive.

It's better to know which situation you're dealing with early so you can adopt the best strategy for the situation.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

LOL...….so why try for it if you know that trying for it was a loss? You just disproved your own point.

Only reason your stance isn't completely laughed out of this place is because we recovered the kick. A strategy of banking on recovering a kick is just dumb.

I did not. I'm saying it's difficult to do. My POINT is that you have to try for the difficult attempt at one of those turns. If you TAKE it earlier, you have the INSURANCE of extra time if you miss. IF you make it, you only need an XP to win! I didn't disprove my point at all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Because there'd be a lot less time. The Falcons D would play a soft D to try to drain you of clock while you move down the field. By taking the attempt there, we had TIME to readjust, which we did.

Just think about whats easier to do, its as simple as that.

Is it easier to kick the extra point, then drive down once and make a 2 point conversion or do what we did?

 

[JD_KaPow]

LOL...….so why try for it if you know that trying for it was a loss? You just disproved your own point.

Only reason your stance isn't completely laughed out of this place is because we recovered the kick. A strategy of banking on recovering a kick is just dumb.

You have to recover an onside kick if you miss the 2-pointer, no matter when you try the 2-pointer. There's no scenario where you miss the two-pointer but don't need an onside kick.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Here are the possibilities after you score the first TD and find yourself down 9.

1. Go for two, make it. You're down 7. Great! Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to let the clock run down and hopefully score the TD with very little time remaining for the other team to mount a FG drive at the end of regulation.
2. Go for two, miss it. You're down 9. Bummer. Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to score as fast as possible, because you know you need the onside kick and a third drive.
3. Kick the xp. You're down 8. You do not know what your optimal strategy is on the next drive, because you do not know if you need one score or two scores. Most teams, down 8, will play it as if they were down 7 and play for overtime, letting the clock run. The problem is, if you let the clock run and miss the 2-pointer, you don't have as much time for the last ditch onside kick and drive.

It's better to know which situation you're dealing with early so you can adopt the best strategy for the situation.

Exactly! It's essentially a chess match at that point. You have to take a risk at some point of checking the king to force him into a checkmate position. Do you A. take that chance a bit earlier in the match, but have extra pieces to recover if it doesn't work or B. Take the easy check in the other spot knowing you're going to have to take the harder check later with less pieces? The answer is A because you'll still have extra pieces to work with in the event it fails to come back a bit later and checkmate the king.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Just think about whats easier to do, its as simple as that.

Is it easier to kick the extra point, then drive down once and make a 2 point conversion or do what we did?

I do, and that's why I prefer taking the easier route the second go around. I'd rather the harder attempt first so that we know what we have to do the second go around and, ideally, have an easier path to equalize the second score.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Just think about whats easier to do, its as simple as that.

Is it easier to kick the extra point, then drive down once and make a 2 point conversion or do what we did?

It's exactly the same difficulty. You need to make a 2-pointer OR make an onside kick. It's true in both cases.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think the point is if you leave the 2 point conversion for the very end and do not convert, then it's game over. If you fail the 2 point conversion early you at least have some time to adjust your gameplan (which we did, and it worked).

Exactly!

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It's exactly the same difficulty. You need to make a 2-pointer OR make an onside kick. It's true in both cases.

Exactly, and the difference is the TIME remaining if you miss.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Only you didn't nail anything. LOL

MM gave that excuse right after the game and an article was up shortly after. To act like you thought up that ridiculous excuse in your head all by yourself is beyond laughable and pathetic. And then to try to take credit for something so wrong shows a disconnect.

You heard the excuse and tried to act like it was your idea all along. But hey, look...…….your ruse worked.

Smart people aren't buying it.

No, you aren't buying it. The opposite of smart people.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Here are the possibilities after you score the first TD and find yourself down 9.

1. Go for two, make it. You're down 7. Great! Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to let the clock run down and hopefully score the TD with very little time remaining for the other team to mount a FG drive at the end of regulation.
2. Go for two, miss it. You're down 9. Bummer. Your optimal strategy on the next drive is to score as fast as possible, because you know you need the onside kick and a third drive.
3. Kick the xp. You're down 8. You do not know what your optimal strategy is on the next drive, because you do not know if you need one score or two scores. Most teams (actually all teams), down 8, will play it as if they were down 7 and play for overtime, letting the clock run. The problem is, if you let the clock run and miss the 2-pointer, you don't have as much time for the last ditch onside kick and drive.

It's better to know which situation you're dealing with early so you can adopt the best strategy for the situation.

Nonsense.………….You know exactly what your strategy is...……….you have plenty of time to score and tie it up. ONLY concern is making the two point conversion.

And if you are really THAT worried about missing the two pointer then you can hurry down the field all you want. But that would be dumb too.

Its about whats easier and more realistic then knowing early that you need a miracle. You don't make decisions assuming you are going to miss the 2 point conversion at the end. That's a losing mentality.

 

[JBS]

I shouldn't be surprised, but just about everybody in here is clueless..par for the course

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly, and the difference is the TIME remaining if you miss.

100% wrong. Making 1 two point conversion is more difficult then getting an onsides kick, going 30 yards and then kicking a 48 yard FG.

Honestly, its like talking to a bunch of homers that are trying anything to rationalize what was a horrible decision.

 

[bayeslife]

It was a mathematically correct call, and if you disagree then I suggest you consult your abacus again.