News: MMQB: The Case for Tony Romo and Philip Rivers

[vlad]

"Discussions on the best quarterback of the past decade generally land on four names—Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. But there's an argument to be made for two more additions, both of whom are having MVP-like seasons in 2014"

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/16/tony-romo-philip-rivers-nep/


(hope I posted this correctly by Forum rules!)

 

[Direwolf63]

They can make the case all they want, but until Romo wins a Super Bowl he will never be considered in the same class as the top 4. The narrative is that he's a turnover machine and a choker, even though all the numbers belie this. And the narrative won't change until they win the big one.

Heck, maybe even a Super Bowl win won't change the narrative. They will win because of the defense, or the running game, or the o-line. Anything except the QB.

It's completely unfair, but that's how it is with Tony Romo, the Dallas Cowboys QB.

 

[Crown Royal]

I think and have always thought Romo is a top 7 QB in the league. Depending on the year since 2007, I'd rate him as high as 3-4 and as low as 7. But I'd never make a case for him being MVP lol.

 

[pugilist]

should take out any year (2010 for Romo) either QB missed significant time due to injury

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Romo is in a touch position because if he was to go on and have great success this year like RXP said, they will just say he couldn't do it without a running game and passing game. But that being said, Tom Brady's team was stacked. Peyton's team was stacked. Everyone of those qb's who have had playoff success teams are stacked. But people will ignore that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Hopefully this will be a Cinderella season for Tony and his crew, which will put him in the elite club.

Frankly, Cinderella has a connotation which irritates me. Because I believe if this team goes on a tear for the next five weeks, there is no belle at the ball implication needed. They would deserve to be there.

 

[ringmaster]

Romo is in a touch position because if he was to go on and have great success this year like RXP said, they will just say he couldn't do it without a running game and passing game. But that being said, Tom Brady's team was stacked. Peyton's team was stacked. Everyone of those qb's who have had playoff success teams are stacked. But people will ignore that.

No doubt they will ignore that because it's almost sacrilegious to suggest that either QB needed talent to win the big game as for Romo, we both can guarantee if this team were to win a SB they will give him the Aikman treatment as for the team winning in spite of them and that is why I can't stand willfully ignorant fans especially those of other teams.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No doubt they will ignore that because it's almost sacrilegious to suggest that either QB needed talent to win the big game as for Romo, we both can guarantee if this team were to win a SB they will give him the Aikman treatment as for the team winning in spite of them and that is why I can't stand willfully ignorant fans especially the those of other teams.

I'll even accept the Troy Aikman treatment. Aikman gets respect for making plays went it counted and not hurting his team. His reputation is that if he was on any other team he would've had better stats and would've been one of the best qb's in the league stat-wise. Romo is a "car crash" waiting to happen. Terrible. I almost feel bad for the guy at times. But we'll see. If he gets a ring....they can't take that from him. They can say Danny White was this and he wasn't that but they can't say that about Romo IF he gets a ring.

 

[ringmaster]

I'll even accept the Troy Aikman treatment. Aikman gets respect for making plays went it counted and not hurting his team. His reputation is that if he was on any other team he would've had better stats and would've been one of the best qb's in the league stat-wise. Romo is a "car crash" waiting to happen. Terrible. I almost feel bad for the guy at times. But we'll see. If he gets a ring....they can't take that from him. They can say Danny White was this and he wasn't that but they can't say that about Romo IF he gets a ring.

Oh yes people are really waiting on the "real" Romo to show up and true this man has put up some mind boggling stats since becoming the starter in 2006 and like you I really feel bad for the guy when he gets that type of vitriol from the media, some Cowboys fans, and other fan bases around the league he's the only guy who could throw for 506 yds 5TDs, 1Int against the Broncos last season and gets crucified for throwing that pick smh. There were even some people on facebook who thinks that this Cowboys team need to give the Patriots their talent back and I'm like wow you just can't make this stuff up people are really hating this early success the Cowboys are having right now well I think they better get use to it because this is a different Cowboys offense on the field this year and it will not let up anytime soon.

 

[Stash]

They can make the case all they want, but until Romo wins a Super Bowl he will never be considered in the same class as the top 4. The narrative is that he's a turnover machine and a choker, even though all the numbers belie this. And the narrative won't change until they win the big one.

That's the one key factor right there.

If and when Romo wins one, his standing among the elite QB's will rise. Win two, and he'll certainly be among that company - and rightly so.

And I see no problem with that as that's what it takes - reaching the top of your profession - to be regarded in that manner.

If - and hopefully when - Romo does it, he'll get the credit for it.

 

[Stash]

Romo is in a touch position because if he was to go on and have great success this year like RXP said, they will just say he couldn't do it without a running game and passing game. But that being said, Tom Brady's team was stacked. Peyton's team was stacked. Everyone of those qb's who have had playoff success teams are stacked. But people will ignore that.

I disagree.

He's playing well right now and doing enough to win. Very much like Troy Aikman did. And nobody slights Aikman and his multiple championships. Because they can't.

 

[ringmaster]

I disagree.

He's playing well right now and doing enough to win. Very much like Troy Aikman did. And nobody slights Aikman and his multiple championships. Because they can't.

Yes indeed Stash the ultimate team goal is to win a championship and no one can ever take that away and I for one hope before Romo retires win a championship with the skill set he has he deserves it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I disagree.

He's playing well right now and doing enough to win. Very much like Troy Aikman did. And nobody slights Aikman and his multiple championships. Because they can't.

I agree but Romo has 10 years of being a "choker". That's his reputation. 1 year of "Aikman-like" play isn't going to wipe that away. I've seen Romo. I understand Romo was asked to do too much in order for this team to succeed. I've always stated that he was ask to do more than any other quarterback. He was ask to mask the offensive lines incompetence at times. He was asked to tell receivers their routes who didn't know them. He was asked to pass in a very predictable offense. Romo isn't flawless. But i've always compared him to how i've seen others be asked to play and IMO he was asked to do far too much which would result in him throwing INT's at terrible times.

That being said, that's not how everyone else views him. I personally don't think it will change but if he gets a ring he's in the HALL and that's all that matters. There's nothing you can take away from the guy who has a ring.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Oh yes people are really waiting on the "real" Romo to show up and true this man has put up some mind boggling stats since becoming the starter in 2006 and like you I really feel bad for the guy when he gets that type of vitriol from the media, some Cowboys fans, and other fan bases around the league he's the only guy who could throw for 506 yds 5TDs, 1Int against the Broncos last season and gets crucified for throwing that pick smh. There were even some people on facebook who thinks that this Cowboys team need to give the Patriots their talent back and I'm like wow you just can't make this stuff up people are really hating this early success the Cowboys are having right now well I think they better get use to it because this is a different Cowboys offense on the field this year and it will not let up anytime soon.

Yeah the big narrative this week after the SEhawks win is "Well don't worry.....Romo will choke in December" lol.

Its something every week. Two weeks ago it was "They haven't beaten anyone". After beating the Seahawks its "They'll struggle in December".

 

[theSHOW]

"Discussions on the best quarterback of the past decade generally land on four names—Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. But there's an argument to be made for two more additions, both of whom are having MVP-like seasons in 2014"

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/16/tony-romo-philip-rivers-nep/


(hope I posted this correctly by Forum rules!)

If nothing else it looks like Eli and BigBen have finally been recognized as pretenders for the top six group.

 

[kramskoi]

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I agree but Romo has 10 years of being a "choker". That's his reputation. 1 year of "Aikman-like" play isn't going to wipe that away. I've seen Romo. I understand Romo was asked to do too much in order for this team to succeed. I've always stated that he was ask to do more than any other quarterback. He was ask to mask the offensive lines incompetence at times. He was asked to tell receivers their routes who didn't know them. He was asked to pass in a very predictable offense. Romo isn't flawless. But i've always compared him to how i've seen others be asked to play and IMO he was asked to do far too much which would result in him throwing INT's at terrible times.

That being said, that's not how everyone else views him. I personally don't think it will change but if he gets a ring he's in the HALL and that's all that matters. There's nothing you can take away from the guy who has a ring.

Well technically, it is just his eighth full year as the starter, but I agree with most of your observations. The wolves are lying in wait for his first misstep...that is for certain.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

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Well technically, it is just his eighth full year as the starter, but I agree with most of your observations. The wolves are lying in wait for his first misstep...that is for certain.

Even if he throws a pick so what? But Romo has always gotten unfair criticism. I guess it comes with being a Cowboys quarterback but Aikman never got this treatment. Its really odd. I don't know if it was Romo's relationships with high profile celebs, wearing his hat backwards....I just don't know.

I honestly would think Romo would be a guy you would like to root for. Undrafted guy. The under dog. He has a great story. At least Tom Brady was drafted and came from Michigan. Romo came from Eastern Illionis. Its very odd to see the love/hate relationship fans have with him.

 

[kramskoi]

I disagree.

He's playing well right now and doing enough to win. Very much like Troy Aikman did. And nobody slights Aikman and his multiple championships. Because they can't.

only belligerent, history-challenged fans of opposing teams...and what the hell do they matter?

 

[skinsscalper]

Romo is in a touch position because if he was to go on and have great success this year like RXP said, they will just say he couldn't do it without a running game and passing game. But that being said, Tom Brady's team was stacked. Peyton's team was stacked. Everyone of those qb's who have had playoff success teams are stacked. But people will ignore that.

Neither could John Elway.

 

[kramskoi]

Even if he throws a pick so what? But Romo has always gotten unfair criticism. I guess it comes with being a Cowboys quarterback but Aikman never got this treatment. Its really odd. I don't know if it was Romo's relationships with high profile celebs, wearing his hat backwards....I just don't know.

I honestly would think Romo would be a guy you would like to root for. Undrafted guy. The under dog. He has a great story. At least Tom Brady was drafted and came from Michigan. Romo came from Eastern Illionis. Its very odd to see the love/hate relationship fans have with him.

Hey, I'm with you on it all, but the talking heads will resurrect every instance of perceived choking just to push their line of reasoning, which is backed only by a consensus opinion of the man. It's lazy and easy for analysts just to push the existing reputation, rather than do a deeper analysis of his play and career. Sadly, he is going to be subject to these slights until he gets some hardware...otherwise, it will tarnish how his career is perceived by those less-discerning individuals. Heck, you got McNabb dogging him...a man that couldn't get it done himself...what frigging nerve...I tell you...some players...but you expect that type of garbage from someone who probably played in Philly a little too long.