Mobile QB's in the NFL...

[Portland Fanatic]

First off...this is NOT a Bledsoe bashing thread....


With today's NFL there are several defensive fronts, 3-4, 4-3, 4-6, and so on. There are many different looks within each of those defenses with each defensive coordinator have his own spin/look.

With that said....i'd almost think you'd need an all-pro line (with a real oline coach...hehe) to protect QB's that are not mobile. There are two many looks, and to many tremendous athletes out there to create the perfect throwing pocket over and over again.

Think about this....
2003 (10-6) with a mobile QB....he made some plays with his legs rather then taking sacks. Created in many cases 3rd and 5, instead of 3rd and 15 for example. Not counting scrambling for a first down.
2004 (6-10) with a very immobile QB...sitting duck. Forced to many second half throws because of lack of ability to move the chains on his own if needed.
2005 (guessing 9-7) with another immobile QB....statue that can teat any team up in the league IF given time...no time...one of the worst because of lack of ability to make plays or create more time to throw. Any kind of pocket collapse...play over!


In 2003...when we had a team that I think 99.9% of us would agree had LESS talent then we do now goes 10-6 with a mobile QB...is there something to this???

My personal belief is absolutely....I don't think in today's NFL you can protect a QB as long as we need to in order to have a chance...

So what is a mobile QB???

Most everyone thought is Mike Vick...well yes he qualifies, but I consider Tom Brady one of the best. He eludes pressure...and can throw on the run to create more time. Payton Manning does another excellent job of eluding the rush...as does Farve. Brunell (Bastid) is another one that can move around. Rothlisberger, Hasselbeck, Brees, Plummer, and so on....

I think we need to draft a young QB that is somewhere between a Vick and Bledsoe in order have a chance in the future....to much of one extreme towards running or a statue is to easy to figure out.

Thoughts???

 

[Hiero]

I would love to get Vince Young. this is going to be acontroversial topic, but I think young to sit the bench for a year or whatever would be great.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree... Notice how many of Brunell's TD passes this year have been on rollouts almost exactly like the two he threw to Cooley in the endzone...

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I agree... Notice how many of Brunell's TD passes this year have been on rollouts almost exactly like the two he threw to Cooley in the endzone...

I'm just believing it's an entire dimension we are losing....and NEED. With the way the oline is now...and may be for a few years...the only chance we have is to have someone with some mobility. I know will not happen next year as Bledsoe will be the guy, but I really think we need to have this QB on the roster by next year....

 

[joseephuss]

First off...this is NOT a Bledsoe bashing thread....


With today's NFL there are several defensive fronts, 3-4, 4-3, 4-6, and so on. There are many different looks within each of those defenses with each defensive coordinator have his own spin/look.

With that said....i'd almost think you'd need an all-pro line (with a real oline coach...hehe) to protect QB's that are not mobile. There are two many looks, and to many tremendous athletes out there to create the perfect throwing pocket over and over again.

Think about this....
2003 (10-6) with a mobile QB....he made some plays with his legs rather then taking sacks. Created in many cases 3rd and 5, instead of 3rd and 15 for example. Not counting scrambling for a first down.
2004 (6-10) with a very immobile QB...sitting duck. Forced to many second half throws because of lack of ability to move the chains on his own if needed.
2005 (guessing 9-7) with another immobile QB....statue that can teat any team up in the league IF given time...no time...one of the worst because of lack of ability to make plays or create more time to throw. Any kind of pocket collapse...play over!


In 2003...when we had a team that I think 99.9% of us would agree had LESS talent then we do now goes 10-6 with a mobile QB...is there something to this???

My personal belief is absolutely....I don't think in today's NFL you can protect a QB as long as we need to in order to have a chance...

So what is a mobile QB???

Most everyone thought is Mike Vick...well yes he qualifies, but I consider Tom Brady one of the best. He eludes pressure...and can throw on the run to create more time. Payton Manning does another excellent job of eluding the rush...as does Farve. Brunell (Bastid) is another one that can move around. Rothlisberger, Hasselbeck, Brees, Plummer, and so on....

I think we need to draft a young QB that is somewhere between a Vick and Bledsoe in order have a chance in the future....to much of one extreme towards running or a statue is to easy to figure out.

Thoughts???

I think you are on to something. They still have to be good. Being able to move means nothing if you don't know where to go or what to do once you have given yourself an extra second to throw.

I do believe the 2003 line was better than what is out there right now. I still would not consider it to be a very good line, but it is all relative. Hambrick had holes to run through that year, but he was incapable of hitting those holes or getting long runs once through the hole. I think that 2003 o-line was the best Parcells has had in his Dallas tenure. The skill positions hurt that offense. No big or possestion type receiver to go over the middle, Witten injured partly and just a rookie leaving no tight end threat, no running back and a young, impulsive(i.e. mistake prone) QB.

Now the 2002 line is very comparable to what I see today. At least no one is out there not trying to block like Solomon Page, but sometimes in trying they still look as bad.

 

[Charles]

I don't think its necessarily mobility, but the ability of a QB to make plays with his legs.

Manning isn't mobile but his footwork gets him out of many sacks even when his protection breaks down. He's able to slide, step-up etc to give himself more time.

But guys like Elway, Staubach, Montana and Young were able to take off and pick-up yards when the play broke down or when nothing was available. They weren't necessarily mobile put had the ability to get out of dodge. Drew can't........

Bledsoe doesn't posses the ability to make defense account for more than his cannon arm. He's a one dimensional.

Troy had some mobility, but our running game and Oline was so dominant he was always passing into favorable conditions.

 

[joseephuss]

I don't think its necessarily mobility, but the ability of a QB to make plays with his legs.

Manning isn't mobile but his footwork gets him out of many sacks even when his protection breaks down. He's able to slide, step-up etc to give himself more time.

But guys like Elway, Staubach, Montana and Young were able to take off and pick-up yards when the play broke down or when nothing was available. They weren't necessarily mobile put had the ability to get out of dodge. Drew can't........

Bledsoe doesn't posses the ability to make defense account for more than his cannon arm. He's a one dimensional.

Troy had some mobility, but our running game and Oline was so dominant he was always passing into favorable conditions.

Right. Bledsoe did a great job of sliding around in the pocket against the Chiefs to create time to throw the ball. In other games he hasn't been as effective.

Aikman pointed out correctly that there were times yesterday where he had nowhere to go. There was pressure around the ends and up the middle leaving no room to slide. That doesn't happen every play, but it has happened more times than it should this season for any team to be effective.

Brady and Manning would struggle behind this o-line, especially in yesterday's game. I think either could do better than Drew because they are both better, but they still not be able to do well enough to win a game like yesterday or against the Giants. That is how bad the line played in both games.

 

[cobra]

I saw Bledsoe make a nice run this last game (or was the Kansas City game). And this last game I distinctly remember Bledsoe moving around out of the pocket and delivering a perfect ball on the run to Glenn (which Terry dropped).

You people who act like he is a complete statue are obviously clueless and have a dislike for Bledsoe that derives from something other than reality.

He can move when it is necessary. He has the ability.

But he doesn't do it because it is a difference of theory. He believes it is his job to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball. And guess what? When he was doing it and putting up 300+ yards and offensive player of the week, none of you jerks were saying a dang thing about it. But, AS USUAL, following a loss, the moronic bandwagon horde starts knee-jerking and saying that there are inherent problems which were somehow non-existant prior to this game.

You people disgust me.

Don't say he can't do it or he is a statue. That is just wrong.

If you don't want a pocket passer, then say so.

But Bledsoe believes in being a pocket passer so he stays in the pocket and tries to win games that way. And yes, Brady is the same way even if he might run 1 more time a game.

 

[cobra]

Montana and Young... were able to take off and pick-up yards when the play broke down or when nothing was available. They weren't necessarily mobile put had the ability to get out of dodge. .

I can't figure out what is more asinine:

The suggestion that Montana wasn't a strict pocket passer

or

The suggestion that Young "wasn't necessarily mobile."

 

[scottsp]

What's funny is that, most of the so-called mobile QBs are the ones getting sacked more than anyone. See Michael Vick, for example. Passers who get rid of the ball are the ones that really seem to do well in this respect. Peyton and Brady are two current examples. There have been some slow guys sitting back there who were very tough to sack.

Seems they had the internal clock, awareness, and got the ball out in a timely fashion. Jim Plunkett was about as immobile as you could get, but he could sidestep an oncoming rusher while standing in a telephone booth. I love those quarterbacks.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree... Notice how many of Brunell's TD passes this year have been on rollouts almost exactly like the two he threw to Cooley in the endzone...

What's a "rollout"?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What's a "rollout"?

Some places in the league, it's more than two steps and a five yard quick out to the right sideline...

 

[wileedog]

In 2003...when we had a team that I think 99.9% of us would agree had LESS talent then we do now goes 10-6 with a mobile QB...is there something to this???

In 2003 the Giants and Commanders were horrible. That's 4 of our wins right there that year, as opposed to losing 3 of those games this year.

 

[joseephuss]

I can't figure out what is more asinine:

The suggestion that Montana wasn't a strick pocket passer

or

The suggesiton that Young "wasn't necessarily mobile."

Montana wasn't a strict pocket passer? Either that or I misunderstand what you typed.

Bledose is a statue. I don't say that as a negative thing. It is also a relative term. He doesn't move around as well as other QBs. Take Troy Aikman for instance. He wasn't known as a mobile QB. He could move if needed at times. So can Drew, but of the two Aikman could move around better.

If being a statue works, that is fine. I don't think it works for the situation he is in right now. This is a very bad o-line. Being more mobile would be more condusive to being successful. It still may not matter in a game like yesterday, but it could help. I think that was the point of the original thread.

Of course the best solution is to fix the o-line. After several years of average or below average line play, it may not be the easiest solution to obtain.

 

[cobra]

2003 (10-6) with a mobile QB....he made some plays with his legs rather then taking sacks. Created in many cases 3rd and 5, instead of 3rd and 15 for example. Not counting scrambling for a first down.

Yeah. Because that had SO MUCH to do with the quarterback.

He was so good and mobile and stuff.

Which team is he leading to the playoffs this year?

Oh wait, that's right: he is so god awfully bad that no team in the NFL wants him... even teams that need a quarterback.

Maybe... just maybe... it had nothing to do with whether the quarterback was any good that year (he clearly isn't; 32 NFL gms make that clear).

 

[Cbz40]

What's funny is that, most of the so-called mobile QBs are the ones getting sacked more than anyone. See Michael Vick, for example. Passers who get rid of the ball are the ones that really seem to do well in this respect. Peyton and Brady are two current examples. There have been some slow guys sitting back there who were very tough to sack.

Seems they had the internal clock, awareness, and got the ball out in a timely fashion. Jim Plunkett was about as immobile as you could get, but he could sidestep an oncoming rusher while standing in a telephone booth. I love those quarterbacks.

Those poker players that know when to holdem and when to foldem.....Those QB's that have that 6th sense...... I love those kind of QBs myself. Man I would love to have one on this team.

 

[cobra]

If being a statue works, that is fine. I don't think it works for the situation he is in right now. This is a very bad o-line.

Did he or did he not just win Player of the week last week?

He did.

Ergo, your comment (and entire analysis) is completely wrong.

QED.

 

[scottsp]

Those poker players that know when to holdem and when to foldem.....Those QB's that have that 6th sense...... I love those kind of QBs myself. Man I would love to have one on this team.

One day, Pops. One day we shall. Miss Rog, do ya?

 

[joseephuss]

Did he or did he not just win Player of the week last week?

He did.

Ergo, your comment (and entire analysis) is completely wrong.

QED.

They played KC last week. I don't consider KC to have a good defense. Actually, that isn't just my opinion. That is fact. I was referring to team like the Commanders yesterday or the Giants game. Him being more mobile may have helped him have better games. Like I said, even that may not have helped him because the line is that bad. Are you saying that better mobility wouldn't make Drew any better? That would be as extreme as saying Vick wouldn't be better QB if he learned how to pass teh ball better.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I saw Bledsoe make a nice run this last game (or was the Kansas City game). And this last game I distinctly remember Bledsoe moving around out of the pocket and delivering a perfect ball on the run to Glenn (which Terry dropped).

You people who act like he is a complete statue are obviously clueless and have a dislike for Bledsoe that derives from something other than reality.

He can move when it is necessary. He has the ability.

But he doesn't do it because it is a difference of theory. He believes it is his job to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball. And guess what? When he was doing it and putting up 300+ yards and offensive player of the week, none of you jerks were saying a dang thing about it. But, AS USUAL, following a loss, the moronic bandwagon horde starts knee-jerking and saying that there are inherent problems which were somehow non-existant prior to this game.

You people disgust me.

Don't say he can't do it or he is a statue. That is just wrong.

If you don't want a pocket passer, then say so.

But Bledsoe believes in being a pocket passer so he stays in the pocket and tries to win games that way. And yes, Brady is the same way even if he might run 1 more time a game.

First of all....CALM DOWN!

I like Bledsoe....and I WILL say he is a statue...why...because he is. He does not move very well period.

I do want a pocket passer....one that can move when he needs to. If I had a choice someone similar to a Ben Rothlisberger...can throw in the pocket but is a threat on the run if needed.

I disagree about his philosopy about staying no matter what. He is what he is and he knows it...therefore he will stay because that's really his options.

Knee jerking.....NO....you obviously do not know me to say that! Talk about a knee jerk comment....