Mobile Quarterbacks

[Dawgs0916]

After having a conversation with Hostile in the chat room about this subject it left me thinking if I was completely wrong in this. Is it not true that mobile (dual threat) QBs are being looked at more recently? I dont mean more than the "statue" quarterbacks, just more than they were being looked at say 10 years ago. Examples of Michael and Marcus Vick, Vince Young, Reggie Mcneal, Adrian Mcpherson, even Quincy. I know most of those are in college but that just makes the point im trying to make even more. Are mobile guys being looked at more nowadays or am I completely off track. And yes Hostile I know you'll be giddy if I give you Marino:laugh1:

 

[burmafrd]

Untill one of them wins the SB, you will see no real change. Even then, it would be considered a fluke. Most mobile QB's are runners first and throwers second, and they are the ones that will never really make it in the pros. Elway was the last mobile QB to win it all, and by the time he did it he was noway near as mobile as he was as a rook.
Realistically, only Roger, Elway and Young could be considered mobile QB's that have won it all. Many more times the number of statues or near statues have won it all.
Starr, Dawson, NAMATH, Stabler, through the late 60's into the 70's. Plunkett, in the 80's, then Favre, Warner, and the bus drivers the Ravens, Bucs used. Montana was somewhat agile, but not all that mobile, especially later on. Theisman was mobile, but he really was not the center of the offense. Simms was not very mobile, neither was Hostetler. Aikman was no Vick, either. Any way you look at it, very few scramblers have ever won it all. Untill you get a few doing it in a short time, it will never catch on. I have always thought that if you could get three really good running QB's, like Young and VIck on one team, it would be very interesting to run the option in the pros- imagine how hard it would be for the D's? The Navy runs the option in college ball and gives teams with much better talent fits due to the rarity of the offense.
But like I said, you would need 3 to do it, because they would take a real pounding.
Have a small, agile O line like Denver, a couple of backs like JJ, and some big physical receivers who like to block downfield, and you could give every DC in the pros heartburn.

 

[Dawgs0916]

I didn't say pass first guys aren't succesfull lol ***. Hostile started rambling the same thing. My only comment was mobile guys are being looked at a little more than they were before we ALL know they arent as successfull as past first guys, i KNOW that. im just saying that mobile guys are being given a tad more consideration nowadays..

 

[Hostile]

After having a conversation with Hostile in the chat room about this subject it left me thinking if I was completely wrong in this. Is it not true that mobile (dual threat) QBs are being looked at more recently? I dont mean more than the "statue" quarterbacks, just more than they were being looked at say 10 years ago. Examples of Michael and Marcus Vick, Vince Young, Reggie Mcneal, Adrian Mcpherson, even Quincy. I know most of those are in college but that just makes the point im trying to make even more. Are mobile guys being looked at more nowadays or am I completely off track. And yes Hostile I know you'll be giddy if I give you Marino:laugh1:

For some reason what I said last night sailed wide. You and Hiero both misunderstood somehow and took it that I was angry.

Okay, is there a trend towards more mobile QBs? In my opinion no there is not.

Was there a trend this way? Of course there was.

Football is a game that runs in cycles. Teams find somethign successful and others rush to emulate it and as that trend peaks it goes away just as fast.

There will always be mobile QBs in the NFL. I never said they would go away. Nor will I say they will.

There will also always be guys who are called pocket QBs. Where we disagreed is when you said pure pocket passers are fading frm the NFL. No they aren't. I then said "I'd take a Dan Marino right now." For some reason this really seemed to chap yours and Hiero's shorts. Why did I pick Dan Marino? Simple. He is one of the least mobile QBs people have seen play.

If a young Dan Marino were enterring the NFL right now teams would go after him. That is hardly fading away.

Now, very briefly let me explain why I said there is not a trend toward mobile QBs. My answer is very simple. As recently as 4 or 5 years ago teams were drafting mobile QBs in the higher rounds. The trend has swung back the other way and the same QBs are being taken in lower rounds.

When a trend swings the opposite way it hardly signals continuation.

Does that better explain what I was trying to say last night?

BTW, if you take a look at mobile QBs throughout history of the game you'll find that the ones who succeeded most made running a last option and became pocket passers first. For example, Steve Young. Never did squat until he learned to think pass first.

Mobility is a hell of a weapon. Just as potent a weapon is accuracy, which tends to be a trait of the pocket guys. Another is brains. Smart QBs go further than borderline guys. Still another is heart. That can't be measured.

You combine all of those and you have a special player. That is rare. If something is rare, it can't be called a tend.