Mock Bosa/Buckner

[Cowboys1fan]

Round 1a Joey bosa
1b- trade back to 7 and hope bosa or Buckner falls receive extra 2ndd rounder

1a- Joey bosa
2a- Robert dkemdiche dt
3a- Sua Cravens ss/backer
4a- sterling Shepard
4comp- jaylon smith if he falls, scooby wright if not

trade back
1b- Buckner dline
2b- William Jackson cb
2b- josh doctson wr
3b- Chris jones de/dt
4b- scooby wright/ jaylon smith
4comp- paul Perkins rb

 

[DBOY3141]

Round 1a Joey bosa
1b- trade back to 7 and hope bosa or Buckner falls receive extra 2ndd rounder

1a- Joey bosa
2a- Robert dkemdiche dt
3a- Sua Cravens ss/backer
4a- sterling Shepard
4comp- jaylon smith if he falls, scooby wright if not

trade back
1b- Buckner dline
2b- William Jackson cb
2b- josh doctson wr
3b- Chris jones de/dt
4b- scooby wright/ jaylon smith
4comp- paul Perkins rb

option 2 for me

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Buckner is awful. If you watch his tape, he gets pushed off the ball, is on the ground alot, and has ZERO pass rush moves. I have no idea what anyone sees in this guy, other than size. He is not a 4-3 DE in our system. And we already have David Irving as a tall 3-technique DT. Please say away.

 

[DFWJC]

Thanks.

Just fyi...a trade from 4 to 7 probably won't give you a high 2nd.

Maybe Dallas' 1st and 3rd for SF's 1st ,2nd and maybe 5th or so would do it.

 

[Cowboys1fan]

Thanks.

Just fyi...a trade from 4 to 7 probably won't give you a high 2nd.

Maybe Dallas' 1st and 3rd for SF's 1st ,2nd and maybe 5th or so would do it.

Commanders moved up 4-5 spots to take Robert griffin. They gave up three first rounders I believe. If wentz falls to Dallas and 49ers want him they will spend

 

[Garret]

Buckner is awful. If you watch his tape, he gets pushed off the ball, is on the ground alot, and has ZERO pass rush moves. I have no idea what anyone sees in this guy, other than size. He is not a 4-3 DE in our system. And we already have David Irving as a tall 3-technique DT. Please say away.

You may be watching the wrong guy he had ten sacks. Has to have some pass rush skill to make that happen. So ZERO is a stretch check the other three posted 3 plays showing a pass rush move/. It's fair not to like him or make real observations but to say he awful is funny and makes you look silly

 

[John813]

Where do some see Buckner playing? DE in a 4-3? 3 tech?

Between Bosa and Buckner, rather go Bosa(meh), but prefer to pass on both.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

You may be watching the wrong guy he had ten sacks. Has to have some pass rush skill to make that happen. So ZERO is a stretch check the other three posted 3 plays showing a pass rush move/. It's fair not to like him or make real observations but to say he awful is funny and makes you look silly

I've reviewed all his games on draftbreakdown.com. Maybe a little overstated, but he is just not a 4-3 DE in our system. Would be foolish to draft him given our needs

 

[jazzcat22]

If we trade back to 7th, we best take Elliot. hope to get Nassib in the 2nd.

 

[DFWJC]

Commanders moved up 4-5 spots to take Robert griffin. They gave up three first rounders I believe. If wentz falls to Dallas and 49ers want him they will spend

It's true that when teams trade up for QBs near the top of the draft (in Washington's case it was 2nd overall) they sometimes overpay.

So no big deal...but just some trivia.....
By the very generalized trade rules using the trade value chart and degrading future picks to one round later and more tot he middle of that round (so one year out first rounder is worth about a mid second rounder today....2 year out 1st rounder is closer to a mid 3rd rounder in value today...etc)

Washington paid 2720 for the 2nd overall pick valued at 2600....or about 5% over value.
It's amazing how consistent many of these trades are if you run the numbers. And its crazy how big a jump in value each slot is in the top of the 1st round. (2nd worth 2600, 4th worth 1800--which is 3x the value of the 31st pick)

Now Jerry is one that is willing to take less or pay more slightly....but almost never the other way around.

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draftchart.php

 

[Garret]

I've reviewed all his games on draftbreakdown.com. Maybe a little overstated, but he is just not a 4-3 DE in our system. Would be foolish to draft him given our needs

Valid point on system fit I don't think we will draft him because of that reason . He played a lot of two gap but did it well. Makes his numbers more impressive to me. Had he played in one gap system like Rods he could have pinned his ears back and got up field and been even more disruptive.


As far as our need I think he fits our roster nicely he has a different set of skills than other two DE. Should let D exploit other teams weakness. Play a run team you start Buckner and Gregory rushes. Play passing team Gregory play end and slide Buckner inside on Nickle.

I know it's hard to count on Gregory but if by some chance he works you would have harder time getting Gregory,Lawrence, Crawford and rookie speed rusher on field at same time. Good pash rushing line but no run D. Could only use it in obvious passing down.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Can someone please explain why it's okay to take Elliot @ 7 but not @ 4.

 

[CowboyChris]

Can someone please explain why it's okay to take Elliot @ 7 but not @ 4.

goodluck

 

[batman36]

Can someone please explain why it's okay to take Elliot @ 7 but not @ 4.

If the Cowboys can get the most value for the pick by trading it, and adding additional picks, and still be in range to select said player, maybe they would. But if you like him at 4...take him!

 

[Derinyar]

Can someone please explain why it's okay to take Elliot @ 7 but not @ 4.

My guess is slightly smaller contract and you get an extra pick out of it. Makes drafting a RB in the top 10 feel a little better to most.

 

[Sydla]

Can someone please explain why it's okay to take Elliot @ 7 but not @ 4.

I don't think, personally, that it's wrong to take Elliott at 4 or 7.

But from the Cowboys perspective, it makes sense. They've said over and over they won't invest a lot of money in the TB position. Elliott at 4 commands just under $25MM guaranteed. At 7, Elliott would only get around $16MM guaranteed. That might be more palatable a number for the Cowboys to invest in the RB position.

Further, in trading down, you get other picks which can be used to address arguably our bigger needs, which are on the defensive side of the ball. Like which is a better scenario for you - Elliott at 4 or Elliott at 7 plus the 49ers 2nd round pick?

So it's not hard to envision why Elliott at 7 would be more attractive to the Cowboys.

 

[DBOY3141]

I don't think, personally, that it's wrong to take Elliott at 4 or 7.

But from the Cowboys perspective, it makes sense. They've said over and over they won't invest a lot of money in the TB position. Elliott at 4 commands just under $25MM guaranteed. At 7, Elliott would only get around $16MM guaranteed. That might be more palatable a number for the Cowboys to invest in the RB position.

Further, in trading down, you get other picks which can be used to address arguably our bigger needs, which are on the defensive side of the ball. Like which is a better scenario for you - Elliott at 4 or Elliott at 7 plus the 49ers 2nd round pick?

So it's not hard to envision why Elliott at 7 would be more attractive to the Cowboys.

Did the Cowboys say they wouldn't invest 25M in a RB or they wouldn't in Murray given his age and carries. I don't know the answer, but if the latter that could change how they feel about younger/less used RB's.

 

[Sydla]

Did the Cowboys say they wouldn't invest 25M in a RB or they wouldn't in Murray given his age and carries. I don't know the answer, but if the latter that could change how they feel about younger/less used RB's.

I've put a quote here from Jerry that states how they view the running back position, not just how they viewed Murray. He said that they believe RBs take a beating and that's a reason why they won't invest a ton into that position.

 

[DBOY3141]

I've put a quote here from Jerry that states how they view the running back position, not just how they viewed Murray. He said that they believe RBs take a beating and that's a reason why they won't invest a ton into that position.

gotcha.

 

[Sydla]

gotcha.

Now in fairness, we've seen the Cowboys do things that would seemingly go against what they've stated publicly so I guess they very well could take Elliott at 4.

But they've seemingly passed on every TB in free agency they've been rumored to have been interested in, largely due to cost, so I think it would at least be surprising if they took Elliott at 4.