Mock of Ages: BAT 3.0

BAT · Apr 17, 2009

It's all about the INTANGIBLES (supported by the production, off course).

*Smarts, instincts, leadership, work ethic, hustle, intensity & playmaking represented below_lazy, thuggish, selfish players (or mike mamulas) not included.

2 (51) – Max Unger
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 310 | Position: C | College: Oregon

Alternates: C Alex Mack, California (trade up); SS Patrick Chung, Oregon

3 (69) - Jason Williams
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 241 | Position: ILB | College: Western Illinois

Alternates: ILB/OLB Paul Kruger, Utah; C Eric Wood, Louisville; FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama

4 (97) – David Veikune
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 257 | Position: OLB | College: Hawaii

Alternates: OG Herman Johnson, LSU; QB Alex McGee, Texas A&M; DB Bradley Fletcher, Iowa

4 (113) – Mitch King
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 270 | Position: DL/LB | College: Iowa

Alternates: FB James Casey, Rice; WR/KR Mike Thomas, Arizona

5 (148) – Zack Follett
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 236 | Position: OLB/ILB | College: California

Alternates: Scott McKillop, Pitt; ILB Jason Phillips, TCU

5 (comp) – Sammie Lee Hill
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 330 | Position: NT/DE | College: Stillman

Alternates: NT Roy Miller, Texas; FS C.J. Spillman, Marshall

5(comp) – Lardarius Webb
Height: 5-10 | Weight: 185 | Position: KR/DB | College: Nicholls State

Alternates: CB Brice McCain, Utah; SS/ILB Jonathan Casillas, Wisconsin

6 (184) – Johnny Knox
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 185 | Position: WR | College: Abiliene Christian

Alternates: WR Brooks Foster, North Carolina; WR/KR Mike Wallace, Ole Miss

6(comp) – Louis Vasquez
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 330 | Position: OG | College: Texas Tech

Alternates: OG Roger Allen, Western Missouri; OG Robert Brewster, Ball State

7 (193) – Zach Potter
Height: 6-7 | Weight: 285 | Position: DE | College: Nebraska

Alternates: DE Pannel Egboh, Stanford; QB Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas; ILB Stephen Hodge, TCU

7 (210) – Phillip Hunt
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 244 | Position: OLB | College: Houston

Alternates: OLB Stryker Sulak, Missouri; FB/H-Back Marquez Bryant, Central Arkansas

*Special thanks to the Count, I swiped the format of his mock (kinda/sorta).

BAT · Apr 17, 2009

SDogo · Apr 17, 2009

BAT;2734639 said:
It's all about the INTANGIBLES (supported by the production, off course).

*Smarts, instincts, leadership, work ethic, hustle, intensity & playmaking represented below_lazy, thuggish, selfish players (or mike mamulas) not included.

2 (51) – Max Unger
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 310 | Position: C | College: Oregon

Alternates: C Alex Mack, California (trade up); SS Patrick Chung, Oregon

3 (69) - Jason Williams
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 241 | Position: ILB | College: Western Illinois

Alternates: ILB/OLB Paul Kruger, Utah; C Eric Wood, Louisville; FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama

4 (97) – David Veikune
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 257 | Position: OLB | College: Hawaii

Alternates: OG Herman Johnson, LSU; QB Alex McGee, Texas A&M; DB Bradley Fletcher, Iowa

4 (113) – Mitch King
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 270 | Position: DL/LB | College: Iowa

Alternates: FB James Casey, Rice; WR/KR Mike Thomas, Arizona

5 (148) – Zack Follett
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 236 | Position: OLB/ILB | College: California

Alternates: Scott McKillop, Pitt; ILB Jason Phillips, TCU

5 (comp) – Sammie Lee Hill
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 330 | Position: NT/DE | College: Stillman

Alternates: NT Roy Miller, Texas; FS C.J. Spillman, Marshall

5(comp) – Lardarius Webb
Height: 5-10 | Weight: 185 | Position: KR/DB | College: Nicholls State

Alternates: CB Brice McCain, Utah; SS/ILB Jonathan Casillas, Wisconsin

6 (184) – Johnny Knox
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 185 | Position: WR | College: Abiliene Christian

Alternates: WR Brooks Foster, North Carolina; WR/KR Mike Wallace, Ole Miss

6(comp) – Louis Vasquez
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 330 | Position: OG | College: Texas Tech

Alternates: OG Roger Allen, Western Missouri; OG Robert Brewster, Ball State

7 (193) – Zach Potter
Height: 6-7 | Weight: 285 | Position: DE | College: Nebraska

Alternates: DE Pannel Egboh, Stanford; QB Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas; ILB Stephen Hodge, TCU

7 (210) – Phillip Hunt
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 244 | Position: OLB | College: Houston

Alternates: OLB Stryker Sulak, Missouri; FB/H-Back Marquez Bryant, Central Arkansas

*Special thanks to the Count, I swiped the format of his mock (kinda/sorta).

Ok, I get and agree with your philosophy of drafting "*Smarts, instincts, leadership, work ethic, hustle, intensity & playmaking represented below_lazy, thuggish, selfish players (or mike mamulas) not included." but at the same time. There are those types of players who fit on our scheme and actually have more then a special teams role in the NFL.

I can see how it's easy to love a guy like Veikune and King and my problem is not so much with Veikune assuming he can handle the transition to LB in the NFL as it is King. We know he has the heart of bear and motor of an SS but that only gets you so far. His athletic skill set and frame just does not translate to a long successfull career in the NFL. I don't get the infactuation with the guy unless your looking to solidify your coverage units in the later rounds.

Really, that's the only problem I have, I love the rest of the draft

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SLATEmosphere · Apr 17, 2009

7 DL and LB????? umm...

BAT · Apr 17, 2009

HomeOfLegends;2734645 said:
Ok, I get and agree with your philosophy of drafting "*Smarts, instincts, leadership, work ethic, hustle, intensity & playmaking represented below_lazy, thuggish, selfish players (or mike mamulas) not included." but at the same time. There are those types of players who fit on our scheme and actually have more then a special teams role in the NFL.

I can see how it's easy to love a guy like Veikune and King and my problem is not so much with Veikune assuming he can handle the transition to LB in the NFL as it is King. We know he has the heart of bear and motor of an SS but that only gets you so far. His athletic skill set and frame just does not translate to a long successfull career in the NFL. I don't get the infactuation with the guy unless your looking to solidify your coverage units in the later rounds.

Really, that's the only problem I have, I love the rest of the draft:

Hey fair enough! But I find it hard to believe that "those" guys are the only ones who fit in our scheme.

I agree that King is not a natural fit, but I really believe Wade can find a place for him. Bradie James was initially not a fit in Wade's scheme either if you recall. A guy w/Kings intensity, violent hands, motor, leadership & "bad intentions" on the field are sorely missing on our D. King is too short & too light to play DE, but is savvy, athletic & technically proficient enough to be used like Wade used Karl Mecklenberg (all over the front 7). Maybe all King has to do is lose weight (like James did) to play strongside OLB, or gain weight to play nickel NT. At the very least he would be great as a goal line MIKE. Like I said, King is a favorite (so I may have reached for him), but I really think this type of player is an integral add to this defense for it to get to the next level (championship caliber).

As for Veikune, he does not need me to champion his case, he embarassed blue chip consensus first rounder Michael Oher at the SR Bowl practices. He beat him around the edge, then killed him with an inside move on consecutive plays. Veikune easily outperformed Sidbury against the same competition (SR Bowl). Don't let the naysayers who have really no clue about this kid sway you, you don't even need to watch film (although that helps, and I'm not talking about pro days or combine drills), listen to what the scouts & analysts are saying about him.

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

SLATEmosphere;2734648 said:
7 DL and LB????? umm...

LOL. 4 LB & 3 DL is not too your liking? Wade did say that this would be a defense heavy draft. But if the emphasis on the front 7 causes you too much consternation I can adjust it as such:

2 - Alex Mack, C, California 6'4 315 4.99 (trade up)

3 - Herman Johnson, OG, LSU 6'7 360 5.60

4 - Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois 6'1 241 4.46
David Veikune, OLB, Hawaii 6'3 257 4.79

5 - Sammie Lee Hill, NT/DE, Stillman 6'4 330 4.97
Zack Follett, ILB, California 6'2 238 4.69
Lardarius Webb, CB/S/KR, Nicholls State 5'10 185 4.35

6 - Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian 6'0 180 4.29
Stryker Sulak, OLB, Missouri 6'4 251 4.63

7 - Nathan Brown, QB, Central Arkansas 6'1 220 4.78
Marcus Mailei, FB, Weber State 6'0 250 4.84

Rampage · Apr 18, 2009

no safety???

silverbear · Apr 18, 2009

BAT;2734639 said:
It's all about the INTANGIBLES (supported by the production, off course).

Jesus, Bat-- 4 linebackers in a row, 5 altogether??

You don't reckon that's a little bit of overkill, do you??

PullMyFinger · Apr 18, 2009

I love the Sammie Lee Hill pick. The rest is just Okay.

Woods · Apr 18, 2009

How about swapping the M King pick in the 4th for Fletcher, CB?

Well, they are both from Iowa.

cowboyjoe · Apr 18, 2009

Woods;2734923 said:
How about swapping the M King pick in the 4th for Fletcher, CB?

Well, they are both from Iowa.

i think linebackers like everyone else, alittle too much in a row, but otherwise a pretty good draft, i could live wiht that draft

Goldenrichards83 · Apr 18, 2009

BAT;2734899 said:
LOL. 4 LB & 3 DL is not too your liking? Wade did say that this would be a defense heavy draft. But if the emphasis on the front 7 causes you too much consternation I can adjust it as such:

2 - Alex Mack, C, California 6'4 315 4.99 (trade up)

3 - Herman Johnson, OG, LSU 6'7 360 5.60

4 - Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois 6'1 241 4.46
David Veikune, OLB, Hawaii 6'3 257 4.79

5 - Sammie Lee Hill, NT/DE, Stillman 6'4 330 4.97
Zack Follett, ILB, California 6'2 238 4.69
Lardarius Webb, CB/S/KR, Nicholls State 5'10 185 4.35

6 - Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian 6'0 180 4.29
Stryker Sulak, OLB, Missouri 6'4 251 4.63

7 - Nathan Brown, QB, Central Arkansas 6'1 220 4.78
Marcus Mailei, FB, Weber State 6'0 250 4.84

I like this one better than your first but when would our 1st rd pick play? If you say he can play guard then why draft Herm Johnson with the next pick?

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

silverbear;2734911 said:
Jesus, Bat-- 4 linebackers in a row, 5 altogether??

You don't reckon that's a little bit of overkill, do you??

What's that saying "you can't have enough LBers in a 3-4"? You should have seen how many LBers I had BEFORE I made my edits. LOL.

silverbear · Apr 18, 2009

PullMyFinger;2734915 said:
I love the Sammie Lee Hill pick. The rest is just Okay.

Y'know, a coupla months ago Hill was my absolute favorite potential DT target for the Boys... but now, even though he hasn't done anything wrong, I'd rate him behind Chris Brown, Roy Miller and Dorell Scott (not in that order)...

The more I look at him, the more that "Stillman" after his name worries me... it's a loooooong way from Stillman to the NFL, he has never faced the talent he'll be facing on the next level, or anything close to it...

I love his workout numbers, I just don't know if his game will translate to the NFL... he could be this year's Walter Thomas, who a lot of us went nutso over just because he was a 300 pounder who was athletic enough to do a backflip...

silverbear · Apr 18, 2009

BAT;2735077 said:
What's that saying "you can't have enough LBers in a 3-4"?

15 of 'em might be a bit much when you've only got a 53 man roster...

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

silverbear;2735083 said:
Y'know, a coupla months ago Hill was my absolute favorite potential DT target for the Boys... but now, even though he hasn't done anything wrong, I'd rate him behind Chris Brown, Roy Miller and Dorell Scott (not in that order)...

The more I look at him, the more that "Stillman" after his name worries me... it's a loooooong way from Stillman to the NFL, he has never faced the talent he'll be facing on the next level, or anything close to it...

I love his workout numbers, I just don't know if his game will translate to the NFL... he could be this year's Walter Thomas, who a lot of us went nutso over just because he was a 300 pounder who was athletic enough to do a backflip...

You could be right, but IMO the biggest difference between Thomas and Hill is not even the gap in production, but character. Hill is not just an athletic freak of a big man who flashes big plays now and then. Hill has a great work ethic, is coachable and has improved every season (even though he has moved positions almost every year).

And I "flipped" for Walter Thomas too

D ), but he did not have a tenth of Hill's intangibles, production, experience or versatility. And he certainly did not have Hill's work ethic, which was ultimately his undoing.

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

Rampage;2734901 said:
no safety???

Just for you. I know you'll love it. :starspin

2 - Alex Mack, C, California 6'4 315 4.99 (trade up)

3 - Pat Chung, S, Oregon 5'11 215 4.49

4 - Jason Williams, ILB, Western Illinois 6'1 241 4.46
David Veikune, OLB, Hawaii 6'3 257 4.79

5 - Sammie Lee Hill, NT/DE, Stillman 6'4 330 4.97
Zack Follett, ILB, California 6'2 238 4.69
Lardarius Webb, CB/S/KR, Nicholls State 5'10 185 4.35

6 - Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian 6'0 180 4.29
Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech 6'5 335 5.22

7 - Stryker Sulak, OLB, Missouri 6'4 251 4.63
Marcus Mailei, FB, Weber State 6'0 250 4.84

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

Woods;2734923 said:
How about swapping the M King pick in the 4th for Fletcher, CB?

Well, they are both from Iowa.

That could be the way the Cowboys go, they seem high on Fletcher. But IMO, Cowboys should take the MAN on that team. Take the BEST football PLAYER, regardless of need, especially one w/his obvious production, leadership & athleticism. King was the most feared D player on that Hawkeyes D the last few seasons.

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

silverbear;2735085 said:
15 of 'em might be a bit much when you've only got a 53 man roster...

SACRILEGE!! They would play STs, doncha know.

BAT · Apr 18, 2009

Goldenrichards83;2735066 said:
I like this one better than your first but when would our 1st rd pick play? If you say he can play guard then why draft Herm Johnson with the next pick?

House Johnson is a value pick. But he is no doubt perfect for Houck's system. IMO he supplants either Kosier or Holland sooner rather than later.

As for Mack, I just want to upgrade the awareness and efficiency of the pivot (while retaining the physicality). I was a big supporter of drafting Gurode, and always felt that he was a better fit at center (especially in a power blocking scheme) but despite the pro bowls, I no longer trust him at the crucial center postion. I had hoped he would correct his deficiencies become more consistent, has not happened. Mack is not just physical, but he is more athletic, more technically proficient (no more high shot gun snaps, late snaps, misidentification of the blitzer) and nastier. I doubt Haynesworth cleats Mack and gets away with it.

If Jerry is serious about becoming Romo friendly this season, he needs to start with the OL, especially the all important center-QB exchange.

The best time to trade Gurode is now. His value is at its highest and the draft is chock full of pro bowl potential centers.

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