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Staubach has a 2-2 SB record.Mr Cowboy;3272216 said:How about Tarkenton, Kelly and Staubach.....
1-11 and I think all are in the Hall of Fame, so what?
Staubach has a 2-2 SB record.Mr Cowboy;3272216 said:How about Tarkenton, Kelly and Staubach.....
1-11 and I think all are in the Hall of Fame, so what?
DFWJC;3272123 said:14-1...that is amazing. And that number could very easily have been 15-0.
I came across this information from a column called "Ask Vic".
He also adds this:
"Take a look at their postseason stats. They all played the equivalent of a full season of football in the postseason and in each case their combined postseason stats represent one of the best if not the best season of their careers. In other words, against the best competition the NFL had to offer and at the most pressure-packed time of their football lives, they played the best football of their lives. "
I actually find myself defending Manning at times, but Vic makes a very interesting point. Certain QBs (and their very powerful teams--which he failed to mention) are almost unbeatable in Super Bowls and even, to a lesser degree, the playoffs.
Agreed. Peyton will be a shoe-in HOFer.CowboyFan74;3272240 said:At the risk of sounding like I'm actually defending Manning, Peyton has never had quite the caliber of defense behind him as those guys listed above had...
Staubach was 2-2 so how are they a combined 1-11?Mr Cowboy;3272216 said:How about Tarkenton, Kelly and Staubach.....
1-11 and I think all are in the Hall of Fame, so what?
Hostile;3272254 said:Staubach was 2-2 so how are they a combined 1-11?
In other words, against the best competition the NFL had to offer and at the most pressure-packed time of their football lives, they played the best football of their lives. "/QUOTE]
So I was off by one on Roger. (I put the Baltimore loss on him and didn't credit the Miami win).
The point is that these QBs I mentioned were some among the greatest, yet they were average or below average in the big game. It doesn't diminish their accomplishments in the NFL
Too much credit is given to the QB, for wins and losses, when its a total team effort. Aikman, Montana and the rest didn't win those SB all by themselves, just like Roger and Kelly didn't lose them all by themselves.
c0wb0y_m0nkey;3272170 said:This thread is a case study in reading (in)comprehension 101...
Hostile;3272254 said:Staubach was 2-2 so how are they a combined 1-11?
DFWJC;3272208 said:Good Lord...tell me about it! :bang2:
If any one of these guys would actually read the original post they would realize (a) these are not my claims or work and (2) this addresses players who had entire playoff careers that added up to a full NFL season..yet their numbers were still beyond elite for that period time...plus they all won at least 3 SBs.
Good grief folks, read the post before going nuts.
What about Jim Plunkett? 2-0 with the RaidersRoyal Laegotti;3272698 said:Gotta put in Bart Starr he was 2-0 in Superbowls, Packers were the team of the 60s. 16-1.
Mr Cowboy;3272330 said:The point is that these QBs I mentioned were some among the greatest, yet they were average or below average in the big game.
I though of him and Roethlisberger but since their teams weren't teams of any decade I didn't put them in this group. But 2-0 in superbowls in nothing to sneeze at.DWhite Fan;3272854 said:What about Jim Plunkett? 2-0 with the Raiders![]()
Loos like the guy was going with QBs that had won 3 or more SBs and also had played top notch their entire playoff careers.Royal Laegotti;3272698 said:Gotta put in Bart Starr he was 2-0 in Superbowls, Packers were the team of the 60s. 16-1.