More draft analysis. TJ Vasher

[Typhus]

Aaron Parker would like a word.

Last years crop goes very forgotten.

We have a literal shark tank of WR depth,, its deep water

 

[Typhus]

I stand corrected on him not being drafted

Doesnt matter Red, this was such a deep WR draft class again that UDFA WRs are probably as valuable as anything past the 4th.

 

[Typhus]

IMO, Cooper, Gallup, and Lamb are locks.
Simi has a spot, but not sure if it is PS or active roster.

That leaves 2 spots for some very talented Wide receivers.
Roles will make a huge difference

Its deep, so this is were we get to play spoiled deep team at a position of strength with lots of tall rangy fast prospects.
If Noah Brown doesnt loose his death grip on his roster spot,, Ced Wilson also,, than we suck at evaluating tall fast big catch radius prospects,, just forget it...
We have the luxury to evaluate a very obviously coveted asset, now rather that be by Moores design or MM it doesnt really matter at this point, its obvious they are looking
for that 4/5/6 upgrade with that profile that Fehoko type profile.. 6'4" 227lb.

 

[DogFace]

Bought time you saw this.

Why does he look 45 years old?

 

[fansince68]

Interesting the way suddenly we are looking for tall fast WRs going forward.

This tells me we are looking for improved Redzone play possibly.

Enjoy.

My thanx to the poster for sharing this.

My question is...why do we not bring in competition at RB? I'm a huge Zeke fan but I know that if he has a bona-fide RB behind him and siphoning carries, we would get a better Zeke. Tony Pollard is not the one.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Sorry about the title..ok? The video shows some interesting plays.

Vasher was draft-eligible. So in my humble opinion your title was not wrong.

Not sure why someone would make a big deal about that, seems a bit petty to me. But meh, to each their own.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

Why does he look 45 years old?

Candyman, candyman...

Reminds me of Tony Todd.

 

[Dalmations202]

I’m a huge Texas Tech fan who saw every game TJ Vasher played his entire college career. I’ll be very surprised if he makes this team. I like Vasher a lot, but he’s got some big holes in his game that most fans around here have never seen.

Vasher often made highlight, circus catches which excite many. But he also had a bad habit of dropping routine passes just as often. Here is a detailed look at his strengths and weaknesses.
STRENGTHS

• Size- He’s 6’6” and has long arms and strong hands
• His hands and vertical make him capable of many circus catches.
• Good red zone target. Fights for the ball well with people on him.
• Long strides help make up for lack of natural speed.

WEAKNESSES

• Way too many drops of routine throws.
• Tall, but is rail thin and not very strong. (He did add about 20 LBs this off season)
• Not that fast or particularly quick off the snap.
• Has tendency to take plays off.
• Not much of a candidate for STs play- at Tech he never returned punts or KOs, nor covered kicks.

TJ Vasher has some skills and can make some plays. But he also has huge holes in his NFL game. He would be at best a practice squad long shot IMO.

Fairly certain I saw every game as well. I would like to argue with you, but I think your strengths and weaknesses are exactly on. With that said, he would be an awesome Red Zone target and that is his ticket to playing -- filling that role. He isn't going to be starting WR, imo -- that isn't his strength -- being a mismatch who can jump out of the gym in the Red Zone --- that is worth 6.

I am the guy who thinks that if you can spend a spot on a deep snapper as a specialist, you can spend a spot on a mismatch guy for the Red Zone -- as long as he really is a mismatch.

 

[Bobhaze]

Fairly certain I saw every game as well. I would like to argue with you, but I think your strengths and weaknesses are exactly on. With that said, he would be an awesome Red Zone target and that is his ticket to playing -- filling that role. He isn't going to be starting WR, imo -- that isn't his strength -- being a mismatch who can jump out of the gym in the Red Zone --- that is worth 6.

I am the guy who thinks that if you can spend a spot on a deep snapper as a specialist, you can spend a spot on a mismatch guy for the Red Zone -- as long as he really is a mismatch.

Except you can’t spend a ton on a red zone specialist. A deep snapper is a much more critical position because all FGs and XPs are dependent on a good snap. Having a poor deep snapper can cost you a game.

TJ is kind of a one dimensional player. With the guys ahead of him on the depth chart, and with his lack of special teams skills, he’s a long shot at best to make this team. As a Tech fan I hope he has a great camp and makes some plays in preseason games. But realistically I just don’t see him having the skill set to make this team. Hope I’m wrong.

 

[Beaker42]

A few comments.

1. The thread title doesn't make much sense considering Vasher wasn't drafted.

2. The team may well be looking for someone tall and fast, and maybe for improved red zone play (Vasher can certainly go up and get a ball), but that doesn't necessarily mean that's a trend going forward, especially since the team didn't even use a draft pick on a player like that. Undrafted free agent signings are long shots to make the team at all. It may just mean the Cowboys think a tall guy might be a benefit to the team as it sits today, and hope someone can step up in training camp.

Guys like Fehoko and Vasher have the upper hand in trying to catch Dak’s behind/high/low throws.

 

[conner01]

IMO....Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, Wilson and Simi are locks.

In my mind that only leaves 1 WR spot available.

Brown vs Vasher?

I think only 4 are locks
If someone can replace brown on ST they will likely get his spot. So it’s really do two young guys get on the roster or just one. My hope is two
I like brown but his biggest value is on ST and as a receiver we could maybe get one of the young kids who turn out much better
I do think 6 is all we carry

 

[conner01]

My question is...why do we not bring in competition at RB? I'm a huge Zeke fan but I know that if he has a bona-fide RB behind him and siphoning carries, we would get a better Zeke. Tony Pollard is not the one.

I think pollard is the perfect one behind zeke
Good hands, break away speed and shifty runner
A 3rd guy wouldn’t even be active if he didn’t play ST

 

[fansince68]

I think pollard is the perfect one behind zeke
Good hands, break away speed and shifty runner
A 3rd guy wouldn’t even be active if he didn’t play ST

Not a 3rd guy, a replacement for Pollard. Zeke is going to get better, Pollard has reached his ceiling and he can't push Zeke for carries. The Browns have 2 bona-fide RB and they are destroying the league on the ground and air. I wanted Pollard to be that dude but he just isn't. If he was, he wouldn't be returning kicks. Kick return is for kamikaze type players that are a dime a dozen.

 

[conner01]

Not a 3rd guy, a replacement for Pollard. Zeke is going to get better, Pollard has reached his ceiling and he can't push Zeke for carries. The Browns have 2 bona-fide RB and they are destroying the league on the ground and air. I wanted Pollard to be that dude but he just isn't. If he was, he wouldn't be returning kicks. Kick return is for kamikaze type players that are a dime a dozen.

Pollard played extremely well last year
In two years he’s avg 4.8 yards per carry and has 43 catches
Sound like a guy we need to get rid of lol
By the way pollard averages more yards per carry than Hunt, last year and for his career
And he’s a heck of a lot cheaper
Hunt makes nearly 5 times what pollard makes

 

[Typhus]

My question is...why do we not bring in competition at RB? I'm a huge Zeke fan but I know that if he has a bona-fide RB behind him and siphoning carries, we would get a better Zeke. Tony Pollard is not the one.

There is a definite need for a RB3 on this roster, and you are correct that the 3rd should be pushing, most teams are farming them.. take a look at the Vikings backfield and thats just off the top of my head, Im sure there are better examples how most teams have at least 3 good RBs rostered.

 

[conner01]

There is a definite need for a RB3 on this roster, and you are correct that the 3rd should be pushing, most teams are farming them.. take a look at the Vikings backfield and thats just off the top of my head, Im sure there are better examples how most teams have at least 3 good RBs rostered.

A 3rd RB means a WR, DT or some other positions get cut
After next year we will need to look at a RB because we can move on from zeke
You may want to add a guy next year pollard is also a FA that same year

 

[Dalmations202]

Except you can’t spend a ton on a red zone specialist. A deep snapper is a much more critical position because all FGs and XPs are dependent on a good snap. Having a poor deep snapper can cost you a game.

TJ is kind of a one dimensional player. With the guys ahead of him on the depth chart, and with his lack of special teams skills, he’s a long shot at best to make this team. As a Tech fan I hope he has a great camp and makes some plays in preseason games. But realistically I just don’t see him having the skill set to make this team. Hope I’m wrong.

I do not understand the idea that you can't have a Red Zone specialist. You aren't spending a ton on a 6th WR --- just actually getting usefulness out of him.
IMO, 1-3 WR are your starters. 4 is the backup for 1-3. 5 is your special teams speed guy and a backup as needed WR. 6 is the Red Zone specialist and a backup WR if needed in that game. Everyone has a roll and all can contribute. Too many times, we get WR that I don't ever see making a contribution to the team.

All other WR can either be on PS or you can draft a new one next year. Dallas needs to draft the best for the role for the team.

Teams need a possession receiver. Teams needs a speed receiver. Teams need a quick slot guy. Why not 4-6 be backup, return, and Red Zone specialist ?

One dimensional is fine as long as he is totally awesome at that one dimension and can be utilized as such.

 

[OmerV]

Sorry about the title..ok? The video shows some interesting plays.

Vasher definitely showed in college he can go up and get a ball. He's athletic

 

[buybuydandavis]

Why does he look 45 years old?

Related to Felix?

 

[OmerV]

I do not understand the idea that you can't have a Red Zone specialist. You aren't spending a ton on a 6th WR --- just actually getting usefulness out of him.
IMO, 1-3 WR are your starters. 4 is the backup for 1-3. 5 is your special teams speed guy and a backup as needed WR. 6 is the Red Zone specialist and a backup WR if needed in that game. Everyone has a roll and all can contribute. Too many times, we get WR that I don't ever see making a contribution to the team.

All other WR can either be on PS or you can draft a new one next year. Dallas needs to draft the best for the role for the team.

Teams need a possession receiver. Teams needs a speed receiver. Teams need a quick slot guy. Why not 4-6 be backup, return, and Red Zone specialist ?

One dimensional is fine as long as he is totally awesome at that one dimension and can be utilized as such.

What you aren't considering is a the WR might take a roster spot away from a player the team feels it needs at another position. Besides, realistically, what is a red zone specialist? Is it a guy that can out jump defenders on a ball thrown up for grabs? That's a nice skill, but overall how many TD's a year does a team score on that kind of play, and if that player really is one dimensional, how long would it take for opposing tams to figure it out and decide how to defend it?