More on new WR Todd Lowber. Believe it or not...

[igtmfo]

Here's more on newly signed WR Todd Lowber, he of the 4.11 40 and 7-foot high jump ...

Well, he's overcome some odds so far, but check this out:

a. He never played organized football AT ANY LEVEL, grade school even, until the Vikings signed him as FA camp body last year. Cut Aug. 27. Giants signed him to their practice squad, released him twice and signed him for the third time Feb. 7, but released since ... Signed to Toronto Argonauts practice squad last Wednesday (?) but suddenly he's a Dallas Cowboy.

I can't find evidence that he took the field in preseason for the Vikings last year, special teams even ...

THEREFORE, we all wait for him to actually "play in a football game for the first time" ... Get your popcorn ready!

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MAY 4, 2007

Lowber begins football education

For most players taking part in the Vikings' rookie minicamp on Friday at Winter Park, the day's activities amounted to another in a long line of football workouts.

That wasn't the case for receiver Todd Lowber.

Rather, Friday marked the first time Lowber competed in an organized football activity at any level. "It was good, it was great," he said after the team wrapped up the first of three days of workouts. "I love it. Love the tempo. Just learning every day."

The 25-year-old Lowber has plenty to learn and he knows it. A former point guard and the 2006 NCAA Division III men's high jump champion at Ramapo College in Mahwah, N.J., Lowber turned his attention to pursuing a career in the NFL last summer.

A handful of teams took notice of him when he posted an eye-popping time of 4.1 in the 40-yard dash in his personal workout. Lowber eventually decided to sign a three-year deal with the Vikings last month.

Lowber showed some ability during Friday's session making a nice catch at one point but he also failed to hang onto at least two balls. The Vikings also had him rotate through on kickoff returns with several teammates.

"I thought he flashed a little bit just with his speed," Vikings coach Brad Childress said of his initial impressions of Lowber. "Good things hand-wise; he didn't catch them all. He's swimming a little bit from the installation."

Said Lowber: "I'm coming along steadily. It's an adjustment because you have to know so many things other than just run and catch the ball. You have to know what everybody is doing. So it's going to be an adjustment. "

 

[QT]

Sounds like an Alexander Wright 4.19 40. No hands.

 

[AdamJT13]

Lowber played in the Vikings' first and third preseason games last year. Brooks Bollinger threw him one deep pass (35 yards downfield) against Seattle in the third preseason game, but it was incomplete.

 

[cowboyjoe]

i found this today; and i posted some yesterday on a post about him

in practice yesterday i read he caught a bomb on a long TD;

Briefly: Wide receiver Todd Lowber practiced for the first time with the Cowboys after signing earlier in the day. ... Through the first three days of training camp, the Cowboys have drawn 19,500 fans, including 4,000 on Sunday.

Staff Writer Todd Archer contributed to this report.
228 --LOWBER Todd GIANTS 6- 3.0...205...4.34 -------- 395.65
someone posted early about his reported 4.1 speed, and supposedly he had 42 inch vertical jump;

i got the speed of of the www.couchscout.com where he was at one point last year on the giants roster

having hardly no football experience, he is a long way off if he does have any talent, but remember now, the cowboys drafted a player that was a TE billy joe dupree and the chargers got a super TE from the basketball court

i believe in what landry told bill parcells one year, if a player shows some talent, keep him till at least his 3rd year,

so, this guy has had one year last year in the pros,

now is his 2nd in the pros,

im not saying he is going to be the next gonzles te for chiefs or the great te that just played basketball for the chargers antonio gates, but sometimes you have to be lucky and hit on a free agent undrafted like the cowboys did with cornell greene or billy joe dupree or drew pearson,

so lets just see what happens, wouldnt it be great if he is our next superstar on offense as a WR, then we wouldnt have to draft one, and use those picks next year, along with the extra 3rd and 4th to acuire at least 2 superstars in other areas to go along with what the Dallas Cowboys already have,

then you can build a Dynasty!!!!!

sure, i know its wishful dreaming, but sometimes luck or God smiles on you;

 

[igtmfo]

Thanks Adam, you are omniscient as always ... I Googled five pages but couldn't find evidence that he had played last preseason ...

OK ... "He's never taken a hit in a game" .. maybe ...

You are our ace in the hole, but probably only if you had the hard-copy Vikings media guide in your hand, with voluminous preseason stats, would you have known this.

You are either work for the Cowboys, work for the NFL or major-media and such get the rare (nowadays) media guides in the mail, or ... have special powers ... I elect for the last!

Either way, I'm glad you are on our side !!!

 

[Woods]

i found this today; and i posted some yesterday on a post about him

in practice yesterday i read he caught a bomb on a long TD;

Briefly: Wide receiver Todd Lowber practiced for the first time with the Cowboys after signing earlier in the day. ... Through the first three days of training camp, the Cowboys have drawn 19,500 fans, including 4,000 on Sunday.

Staff Writer Todd Archer contributed to this report.
228 --LOWBER Todd GIANTS 6- 3.0...205...4.34 -------- 395.65
someone posted early about his reported 4.1 speed, and supposedly he had 42 inch vertical jump;

i got the speed of of the www.couchscout.com where he was at one point last year on the giants roster

having hardly no football experience, he is a long way off if he does have any talent, but remember now, the cowboys drafted a player that was a TE billy joe dupree and the chargers got a super TE from the basketball court

i believe in what landry told bill parcells one year, if a player shows some talent, keep him till at least his 3rd year,

so, this guy has had one year last year in the pros,

now is his 2nd in the pros,

im not saying he is going to be the next gonzles te for chiefs or the great te that just played basketball for the chargers antonio gates, but sometimes you have to be lucky and hit on a free agent undrafted like the cowboys did with cornell greene or billy joe dupree or drew pearson,

so lets just see what happens, wouldnt it be great if he is our next superstar on offense as a WR, then we wouldnt have to draft one, and use those picks next year, along with the extra 3rd and 4th to acuire at least 2 superstars in other areas to go along with what the Dallas Cowboys already have,

then you can build a Dynasty!!!!!

sure, i know its wishful dreaming, but sometimes luck or God smiles on you;

I guess if he shows enough he may be a PS candidate.

At least he's had a bit of experience with the Vikings and NYG in TC/pre-season/PS.

 

[cowboyjoe]

all i can say is, Adam is super, best i remember one time awhile back, he said he had some inside sources on the cowboys;

but he is super on the salary cap too

 

[ethiostar]

Championship!!!!

 

[cowboyjoe]

if he does show anything in training camp and preseason with that kind of speed and size, i dont think you can get him through waivers, the giants or vikings would probably surely pick him up again

i read a post where a media guy wrote about what you cant try to sneak through waivers;

im not totally sure,but i think this is what the guy said, you never can sneak QBs, RBs, WRs, defensive linemen through, they will get picked up every time

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Sounds like an Alexander Wright 4.19 40. No hands.

yeppers.....I remember that guy

 

[iceberg]

Lowber played in the Vikings' first and third preseason games last year. Brooks Bollinger threw him one deep pass (35 yards downfield) against Seattle in the third preseason game, but it was incomplete.

just out of curiousity - do you have stats/records that the average person isn't able to see? geez nothing gets by you! : )

 

[igtmfo]

Adam, thinking more, how do you have access to play-by-play action for freaking preseason games, old ones especially? ... How would you know that such and such a receiver was the intended target of a pass? This stuff can be got by media, teams etc. right after the game, but you searched it and knew it in a flash for this old game. Do you save this stuff?

Moreover, you knew he got into another preseason game, but you said he wasn't involved in any play. This might be easier to answer, my Q follows:

Question (a simple one I should know): Do players that get into any NFL game get a zero-line for stats but that their name appears, maybe in the NFL-for-coaches-only-kind of stats? The kind that you have access to but we don't? (maybe I'm just lazy ...)

Llike a zero-stat-line in pro/college basketball, so that you know that any given player was at least on the floor but did nothing?

 

[DFWJC]

No offense..really...but I get sick of hearing the 40 time claims based on on-campus or private workouts. If it was done at the combine with an electronic timer, then I'll buy it. hand timed 40s can be so far off it's ridiculous. You get a freak hand-timed reading and no verification..next thing you know that flase time is in stone.
For all we know, this dude runs a 4.5. Then again, maybe he is really that fast...we have no idea.

 

[iceberg]

Adam, thinking more, how do you have access to play-by-play action for freaking preseason games, old ones especially? ... How would you know that such and such a receiver was the intended target of a pass? This stuff can be got by media, teams etc. right after the game, but you searched it and knew it in a flash for this old game. Do you save this stuff?

Moreover, you knew he got into another preseason game, but you said he wasn't involved in any play. This might be easier to answer, my Q follows:

Question (a simple one I should know): Do players that get into any NFL game get a zero-line for stats but that their name appears, maybe in the NFL-for-coaches-only-kind of stats? The kind that you have access to but we don't? (maybe I'm just lazy ...)

Llike a zero-stat-line in pro/college basketball, so that you know that any given player was at least on the floor but did nothing?

i've seen a lot of places do play by play and give you the "player a did this to this point and player b did this..." watch an ESPN game online and pick play by play.

now if that is saved anywhere i have no idea.

 

[AdamJT13]

NFL.com has all of the Gamebooks from recent years available, even preseason games --

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/29495/SEA_Gamebook.pdf

4th Quarter

1-10-MIN 32 (15:00) B.Bollinger pass incomplete deep left to T.Lowber.

 

[speedkilz88]

No offense..really...but I get sick of hearing the 40 time claims based on on-campus or private workouts. If it was done at the combine with an electronic timer, then I'll buy it. hand timed 40s can be so far off it's ridiculous. You get a freak hand-timed reading and no verification..next thing you know that flase time is in stone.
For all we know, this dude runs a 4.5. Then again, maybe he is really that fast...we have no idea.

When the vikings signed him they were claiming he ran a 4.30 for them.

 

[jobberone]

If he ran a hand timed 4.1 then he runs a 4.2 to 4.5 and he's likely very fast. If not a physical freak he wouldn't be where he is with no formal training.

BTW, I guess we'll have to keep 7 WRs now.

 

[igtmfo]

No problem ... I'm trying to get to the mystery of AdamJT13, trying to rout him out a little bit ...

1. OK, let's search the 2007 preseason stats of the Vikings. Is there any place on the Web that churns out the 30-40 pages of stats and notes that are offered for each NFL game to the local media (not the greater U.S. media), nope!... I'm talking about play by play of VIKINGS PRESEASON games for goshsakes ... sorry I misspoke above and no way that these details are in the Vikings media guide even. It would have to be week by week stats. That anyone could search to find the one play that Lowber was the intended receiver, about impossible unless you were the "AdamJT13" passionate-version of Vikings. And no one up there in their right mind would save all these pages, if he could even get them .. or search them much less ..

There are at least that many pages/screens (30-40) that rumble in by fax and e-mail that we (in the Cowboys media) get for each Cowboys regular-season game, much less for the Cowboys preseason. But that's the Cowboys. And do any of us have e-mail space for XX GB each game, including Cowboys pregame notes that are about 5 KB every day, and all the other stuff they send our way daily, BS about who's singing at the Thanksgiving Day game etc., and promotions at the Salvation Army? ... It fills up our server. So why would we save preseason stats?

I stop now and think that you can maybe read a running play-by-play on the Web for any team. But would anyone cut and paste these each week, preseason too? And searchable? But for every freaking NFL team like Adam?

2. Minny and St. Paul papers and TV stations, yes, WOULD be privy to freaking Vikings preseason stats, but NO ONE in the Dallas media. You would have to be a Cowboys or NFL employee, or the Minny PR guy sent them because the Cowboys are playing them this week ... that would be one week only.

3. There are 32 teams in the league .. and AdamJT13 can search for ALL 150-160 preseason games for the mere "one-time" mention of Todd Lowber? As a Viking? Even the Minny Star-Tribune wouldn't have any idea of what AdamJT13 knows about Lowber, when he played. I don't think Goodell could pull this up either without an Act of Congress ...

My theories about AdamJT13:

a) I think AdamJT13, as much as he knows, should have Ciskowski's job..

b) AdamJT13 is a serious shut-in, and we should worry about all aspects of his social life. A dozen hard drives he's filling up every bit of Cowboys news ...

c) Adam is privy to the Cowboys' mythical computer. Gil Brandt had about 1 KB ROM, like a primitive spreadsheet, in the 70s. Brandt was just a schmoozer, but the late Bob Ackles, Bob Wooten, but especially ... (the secret reason the Cowboys won year-after-year, Dick Mansperger) actually graded the players.

d) Adam is Christ incarnate .. or he's a Cowboys employee that we're lucky enough to have posting on our board ...

Or, a Joel Buschbaum of our own, the highest praise ...

Anyway, as a longtime Cowboys fan and media member, I bow to you Adam.

 

[igtmfo]

Oops, I meant the Boys send us about 5 MB every day, not KB. Not that I'm complaining ..

 

[Angus]

No offense..really...but I get sick of hearing the 40 time claims based on on-campus or private workouts. If it was done at the combine with an electronic timer, then I'll buy it. hand timed 40s can be so far off it's ridiculous. You get a freak hand-timed reading and no verification..next thing you know that flase time is in stone.
For all we know, this dude runs a 4.5. Then again, maybe he is really that fast...we have no idea.

You have no idea. The Cowboys do. They worked him out.