More worried about tackle depth than guard

[gimmesix]

There seems to be more concern on here about the depth at guard than at tackle on the offensive line.

I know that's primarily because of some don't believe Holland can play or stay healthy.

However, I feel better thus far about Arkin/Holland/Kosier than I do about Free/Smith/Young. While Free and Smith might be on their way to being a dynamic duo at the tackle spots, Young does not appear to give us any cushion if either starter is hurt. The second-year tackle has had more than he shares of struggles at camp, and at this point, vet depth appears to be more of need at his position than guard (although Dallas could pick up a vet tackle who can also play guard).

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think the depth this year is better than last.

 

[ndanger]

Bryant McKinney has said he will sign a one year deal for any team for 2.5 million. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin".

 

[gimmesix]

I think the depth this year is better than last.

I don't see how it's better. I guess it's the same, although we at least could have moved Davis over if Young had stepped in and played awful. Not saying Davis wouldn't have played poorly, but at least there was an option.

Although I was initially against the idea, after rethinking it, I'm not sure it would be a bad idea to bring Flozell Adams back. He can play either tackle spot or guard and would be a decent backup plan if Arkin and/or Young show they can't handle the roles.

Davis knows how to play all of those spots, too, but I think I'd rather see Adams at tackle, if I had to choose.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't see how it's better. I guess it's the same, although we at least could have moved Davis over if Young had stepped in and played awful. Not saying Davis wouldn't have played poorly, but at least there was an option.

Although I was initially against the idea, after rethinking it, I'm not sure it would be a bad idea to bring Flozell Adams back. He can play either tackle spot or guard and would be a decent backup plan if Arkin and/or Young show they can't handle the roles.

Davis knows how to play all of those spots, too, but I think I'd rather see Adams at tackle, if I had to choose.

OK, so you don't think Young is better in his second year than Barron was last year?



Oh-kay.

 

[gimmesix]

OK, so you don't think Young is better in his second year than Barron was last year?



Oh-kay.

What makes you think he is? He's been getting beat left and right. How's that any better than Barron, as bad as he was?

I hope that Young proves me wrong, but I can't see any reason right now to rely on him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What makes you think he is? He's been getting beat left and right. How's that any better than Barron, as bad as he was?

I hope that Young proves me wrong, but I can't see any reason right now to rely on him.

It's like this, having all sorts of veteran depth isn't going to happen with challenges presented by the salary cap and a limited number of roster spots.

And if you sign a vet right now you have his contract for the entire year. Much better to wait until after week 1 for any sort of move.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I think the depth this year is better than last.

That's not saying much

 

[Deep_Freeze]

It's like this, having all sorts of veteran depth isn't going to happen with challenges presented by the salary cap and a limited number of roster spots.

And if you sign a vet right now you have his contract for the entire year. Much better to wait until after week 1 for any sort of move.

The answer I like. There are so many decent guys that will be sitting there after week one, at all our need positions. All we have to do is be patient, and see what we need. 3rd WR is by far our biggest need, and I figure one will be sitting there after week 1. Waters could be there too.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pick up someone after week 1.

 

[gimmesix]

It's like this, having all sorts of veteran depth isn't going to happen with challenges presented by the salary cap and a limited number of roster spots.

And if you sign a vet right now you have his contract for the entire year. Much better to wait until after week 1 for any sort of move.

No, vet's contract aren't guaranteed until after week 1, so signing one right now wouldn't hurt. I'd rather go ahead and sign one, then cut him at the end of camp IF the younger players show well.

I don't think it would hurt capwise if you could get one for a couple million and I don't think the "limited number of roster spots" is a big deal when you have players who aren't going to even come close to sniffing the regular-season roster.

 

[gimmesix]

There are so many decent guys that will be sitting there after week one, at all our need positions. All we have to do is be patient, and see what we need.

I don't think we know this is going to be the case. How many decent guys are out there? And how many are going to get snapped up in the next few weeks?

I say you make a move now, then you can always cut the player if necessary. Can't cut him or keep him if you don't got him.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't think we know this is going to be the case. How many decent guys are out there? And how many are going to get snapped up in the next few weeks?

I say you make a move now, then you can always cut the player if necessary. Can't cut him or keep him if you don't got him.

Well I've been thinking about this all day, sign them now and I believe a vet is guaranteed for the year.........I could be wrong.

 

[Risen Star]

There seems to be more concern on here about the depth at guard than at tackle on the offensive line.

I know that's primarily because of some don't believe Holland can play or stay healthy.

However, I feel better thus far about Arkin/Holland/Kosier than I do about Free/Smith/Young. While Free and Smith might be on their way to being a dynamic duo at the tackle spots, Young does not appear to give us any cushion if either starter is hurt. The second-year tackle has had more than he shares of struggles at camp, and at this point, vet depth appears to be more of need at his position than guard (although Dallas could pick up a vet tackle who can also play guard).

I agree.

Hopefully we'll find that swing tackle in final cuts.

 

[gimmesix]

Well I've been thinking about this all day, sign them now and I believe a vet is guaranteed for the year.........I could be wrong.

You are. It's only guaranteed if he is on the roster Week 1. I wouldn't have a problem with that if we signed a vet now and he's needed when the season starts.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You are. It's only guaranteed if he is on the roster Week 1. I wouldn't have a problem with that if we signed a vet now and he's needed when the season starts.

Ok, not an exact science here. If he is on the roster week 1, he is guaranteed for the year, but if we sign him after week one he isn't guaranteed for the year and we can cut him at any time.

We sign him now, we are on the hook for his salary if he is on the roster for week one for the rest of the year. We can sign a guy after week 1, and cut him after week 2, we are only on the hook for one weeks salary.

 

[sonnyboy]

The answer I like. There are so many decent guys that will be sitting there after week one, at all our need positions. All we have to do is be patient, and see what we need. 3rd WR is by far our biggest need, and I figure one will be sitting there after week 1. Waters could be there too.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we pick up someone after week 1.

Patient? Was is this patience you speak of?

No I think it's best we run around like a chicken without a head until we hit our head on something and knock us out til week one.

 

[gimmesix]

Ok, not an exact science here. If he is on the roster week 1, he is guaranteed for the year, but if we sign him after week one he isn't guaranteed for the year and we can cut him at any time.

We sign him now, we are on the hook for his salary if he is on the roster for week one for the rest of the year. We can sign a guy after week 1, and cut him after week 2, we are only on the hook for one weeks salary.

That's all correct.

 

[speedkilz88]

Free got beat in his first couple of years in camp where people were worried about him. Young was doing well until they flopped him back to RT, that can be difficult to adjust at first. Wait at least until you see Young play in preseason. Last year nobody was beating Young in preseason.

 

[gimmesix]

Patient? Was is this patience you speak of?

No I think it's best we run around like a chicken without a head until we hit our head on something and knock us out til week one.

I don't advocate panicking, but I do think it's important to be prepared if we can.

Young could settle in at right tackle and show he's more than capable of stepping in. But since he's struggling now and could continue to do so, I'd like Dallas to prepare for that contingency.

It isn't like it's going to hurt to sign a vet to a cheap contract and cut a camp body to make room. Obviously, it could be a case where these vets won't sign for cheap, and if that's the case, then it's necessary to wait.

But ... right now, tackle depth looks to be a top weakness.

 

[RS12]

There is no depth on the O Line, but they no different than any other team. The Saints signed Barron who stinks to high heaven because they dont have depth either.