Most damning comment by Tony

[droopdog7]

Obviously we're all aware of Tony essentially highlighting plays that Dak might have made throughout the game. And there were plenty. Dak is clearly not a good passer as he constantly misses windows to throw to guys. That's been proven over and over and over again.

But it's a lot easier to see those from above, when you're not in the game and guys aren't running at you to take you head off. And we also know that Tony knows the playbook. I'm sure every QB misses plays so you COULD give Dak somewhat of a pass, especially seeing as the receivers do not help him either.

The one play you can't give Dak a pass on is the one where Tony mentioned, right before the snap that the Skins were going to send a blitz from from Tyron's side. If you recall, he saw it, said if I were the skins I would send that guy, and they did.

I'm betting that this was more a less an audible from the skins side, where they got a look and sent him. Tony saw it, and clearly Dak did not. How many times does that happen in a game? Why is our line leaking? Why are we breaking down to so much? Probably many times I would bet but we're constantly blaming the other units.

I think that play in particular was an indictment on Dak, and shows why the rest of the team seems to be breaking down around Dak.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Maybe the Commanders were listening to the broadcast and Tony was accidentally calling good plays for them.

 

[Blake]

Maybe the Commanders were listening to the broadcast and Tony was accidentally calling good plays for them.

lol

 

[Batman1980]

I partially blame Tyron because he sucks. I partially blame Connor Williams because he makes life more difficult for Tyron. I partially blame the disease of Fredbeard because it makes the entire line worse. I partially blame Dak for not having the internal clock to get the ball out quickly enough to avoid the touchdown. And I definitely blame Linehan for not doing more about all of this.

 

[Machete]

I know the play you are talking about. Tony went on further to say that this kind of ability will come with time and film study. It is clear to me that film study is too much for Dak to process.

 

[Kaiser]

There are several factors at play -

1 - Romo was way too much of a gambler and Dak is too conservative. Romo has a point, but he starts out from the viewpoint of a guy that had a ton of INT's at the same point in his career. (To be completely accurate, Romo still hadn't set foot on the field at the same point in his career).

2 - Romo's job now is to pick apart plays after the fact and he is terrific about it, but he can also do it for pretty much any QB not named Rodgers or Brady.

3 - Dak's biggest flaw is that he hears footsteps and breaks out to a run too quickly. But yesterday was pretty close to a jailbreak with four sacks and at least four others that would have been sacks on a less mobile QB. Dak needs to improve that part of his game but every young QB has an area they have to improve.

 

[Longboysfan]

Time for a new QB.

Let's not go down the road on this for years to come hoping he picks it up.
Either you get it or you don't.

By year three with no one else pushing you - you need to get it right.

 

[Kaiser]

I know the play you are talking about. Tony went on further to say that this kind of ability will come with time and film study. It is clear to me that film study is too much for Dak to process.

That's true but you can study film all day long and its still different when you have to make those decisions at game speed. There is a reason that every QB who ever played talks about the difference in game speed from college to the NFL.

 

[jrumann59]

Thing is its not even that is not being read at all. In the Houston game they were sending slot blitzes and WR would call it out to dak but he did not change the play or protection and he has to make a throw on the move or find an open guy quickly.

 

[Kaiser]

By year three with no one else pushing you - you need to get it right.

Drew Brees had a bad year in his third season, there are plenty of other examples. There is also a big difference between QBs (like Romo) that get several years to study before seeing the field and QBs who are thrown directly into the frying pan.

 

[TwoDeep3]

To answer your question.

The Skins were stacking thew box and sending blitzes. Just because Romo saw it, that doesn't mean Dak didn't see it. But as Romo said several times in a running monologue, audibles are difficult in this stadium and on the road period. So seeing it and being able to audible to change the results or blocking schemes is near impossible.

Now add in the fact you have receivers that cannot get open because the pocket collapses so quickly. This is also why the running lanes are not there. The defenses sell out, not because Dak cannot get the ball to an open man, but because the open men, outside of Beasley are not getting open.

Your thoughts in it being an indictment on Dak, and that Romo saw it from on high clearly ignores how many times the Commanders did this to Romo when he played. How many times did they knock him out of games, or game in with the blitz into crucial interceptions?

The fact of the matter is the brain trust of this organization - the same people who gave us an all special teams draft back around 2008 or so - made the decision to staff the receiver corps with rookies, and undrafted players.

1. Weak line that cannot block everybody.
1A. Tyron has lost skills.
1B. Williams is a rookie.
1C. Looney isn't FredBeard.

2. Witten is no longer on the team carving out those spots to get the ball out quickly.

3.
Geoff Swaim – 59 snaps (Swaim was drafted in the seventh round)

Allen Hurns – 38 snaps (Hurns was not drafted)

Cole Beasley – 37 snaps (Beasley was not drafted)

Deonte Thompson – 36 snaps (Thompson was not drafted)

Michael Gallup – 24 snaps (Gallup is a third-round rookie)

Tavon Austin – 23 snaps (Austin was a first-rounder who needed to resurrect his career and was traded for next-to-nothing if you agreed to take his already-reduced contract)

Blake Jarwin – 18 snaps (Jarwin was not drafted)

Rico Gathers – 7 snaps (Gathers was drafted in the sixth round after having not played football since eighth grade)

Brice Butler – 1 snap (Butler was drafted in the seventh round in 2013 and recently unemployed)

The reasons are in front of every fan here that watches the game. People look for players to blame.

You cannot execute when the window is so small throwing for the sack of getting the ball out quickly turns into an interception or a pick six.

There is no running game because the offense is being overwhelmed by defenders. It was like the Commanders had an extra two players.

The reason we see what we see is because the people running this organization have no clue what they are doing. This includes the moron son Stephen, who hasn't fallen far from his Daddy tree.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Obviously we're all aware of Tony essentially highlighting plays that Dak might have made throughout the game. And there were plenty. Dak is clearly not a good passer as he constantly misses windows to throw to guys. That's been proven over and over and over again.

But it's a lot easier to see those from above, when you're not in the game and guys aren't running at you to take you head off. And we also know that Tony knows the playbook. I'm sure every QB misses plays so you COULD give Dak somewhat of a pass, especially seeing as the receivers do not help him either.

The one play you can't give Dak a pass on is the one where Tony mentioned, right before the snap that the Skins were going to send a blitz from from Tyron's side. If you recall, he saw it, said if I were the skins I would send that guy, and they did.

I'm betting that this was more a less an audible from the skins side, where they got a look and sent him. Tony saw it, and clearly Dak did not. How many times does that happen in a game? Why is our line leaking? Why are we breaking down to so much? Probably many times I would bet but we're constantly blaming the other units.

I think that play in particular was an indictment on Dak, and shows why the rest of the team seems to be breaking down around Dak.

Well Romo had a very long career in the NFL so mentally he is far and behind better than Dak. Dak is just going into his 3rd season and still needs developing but we currently have no one on the roster that can develop him.

 

[unionjack8]

I partially blame Tyron because he sucks. I partially blame Connor Williams because he makes life more difficult for Tyron. I partially blame the disease of Fredbeard because it makes the entire line worse. I partially blame Dak for not having the internal clock to get the ball out quickly enough to avoid the touchdown. And I definitely blame Linehan for not doing more about all of this.

That play wasnt their issue
Dak should know the blitz is coming s hit a hit route or call over zeke to block to the blitzer.
He doesn't understand the NFL game ut appears and Fails time after time.

 

[Cannibal_Cowboy]

There are several factors at play -

1 - Romo was way too much of a gambler and Dak is too conservative. Romo has a point, but he starts out from the viewpoint of a guy that had a ton of INT's at the same point in his career. (To be completely accurate, Romo still hadn't set foot on the field at the same point in his career).

2 - Romo's job now is to pick apart plays after the fact and he is terrific about it, but he can also do it for pretty much any QB not named Rodgers or Brady.

3 - Dak's biggest flaw is that he hears footsteps and breaks out to a run too quickly. But yesterday was pretty close to a jailbreak with four sacks and at least four others that would have been sacks on a less mobile QB. Dak needs to improve that part of his game but every young QB has an area they have to improve.

No more excuses

 

[cowboy_ron]

Once again.......rewind to Daks rookie season.....with no real time to get much working with the #1's after Tony went down and he was thrown to the wolves, he went out and had a great rookie season while displaying the poise of a veteran QB...............NOW, enter 2017 and this season where Garrett/Linehan DID have the time to spend with him and his production along with his poise I mentioned earlier..........can anyone guess what the common denominator might be?????????

Here's a clue....it's same one that defends his 4th and one flub in OT, as well as the poor clock manager we saw yesterday......AND he defends both screwups.

 

[Melonfeud]

Well, ya know,I've been forced to take into account the actual strength involved in the conjuration of that wall of voodoo the WASHINGTON on staff Wizard had cast upon us as it had rendered even our #6 to merely pedestrian status

 

[Aviano90]

1 - Romo was way too much of a gambler and Dak is too conservative. Romo has a point, but he starts out from the viewpoint of a guy that had a ton of INT's at the same point in his career. (To be completely accurate, Romo still hadn't set foot on the field at the same point in his career).

Tony is great to listen to aside from his annoying sound effects that Nance needs to backhand him for when he does it. You get some good insight into his mentality as a QB and get to understand why we did some of the things we did. Like him wanting to throw on 1st and 2nd down with the lead late in the game. Explains why we passed the ball on 2nd and 6 against GB in 2013 instead of using Murry who was gashing the GB defense and the GB defense being thankful we quit running the ball because they couldn't stop it.

 

[irishline]

(To be completely accurate, Romo still hadn't set foot on the field at the same point in his career).

Agree with everything you said except that part. It is not completely accurate. This was Dak's 7th game in his third season. Romo's first start was the 7th game of his third season (and second game after he came in relief the week before). Dak has had 2+ seasons of game time experience that Tony didn't up to this point. That ended yesterday (or the week before to be technical).

That experience should make Dak much better at this point in their respective careers, should it not? Or at least help him be more aware of situations and other things compared to a QB taking their first real snaps?

Has it? (not saying yes or no, just pointing out and wondering).

Edit: While a part of it, It is not all about interceptions.

 

[erod]

To answer your question.

The Skins were stacking thew box and sending blitzes. Just because Romo saw it, that doesn't mean Dak didn't see it. But as Romo said several times in a running monologue, audibles are difficult in this stadium and on the road period. So seeing it and being able to audible to change the results or blocking schemes is near impossible.

Now add in the fact you have receivers that cannot get open because the pocket collapses so quickly. This is also why the running lanes are not there. The defenses sell out, not because Dak cannot get the ball to an open man, but because the open men, outside of Beasley are not getting open.

Your thoughts in it being an indictment on Dak, and that Romo saw it from on high clearly ignores how many times the Commanders did this to Romo when he played. How many times did they knock him out of games, or game in with the blitz into crucial interceptions?

The fact of the matter is the brain trust of this organization - the same people who gave us an all special teams draft back around 2008 or so - made the decision to staff the receiver corps with rookies, and undrafted players.

1. Weak line that cannot block everybody.
1A. Tyron has lost skills.
1B. Williams is a rookie.
1C. Looney isn't FredBeard.

2. Witten is no longer on the team carving out those spots to get the ball out quickly.

3.
Geoff Swaim – 59 snaps (Swaim was drafted in the seventh round)

Allen Hurns – 38 snaps (Hurns was not drafted)

Cole Beasley – 37 snaps (Beasley was not drafted)

Deonte Thompson – 36 snaps (Thompson was not drafted)

Michael Gallup – 24 snaps (Gallup is a third-round rookie)

Tavon Austin – 23 snaps (Austin was a first-rounder who needed to resurrect his career and was traded for next-to-nothing if you agreed to take his already-reduced contract)

Blake Jarwin – 18 snaps (Jarwin was not drafted)

Rico Gathers – 7 snaps (Gathers was drafted in the sixth round after having not played football since eighth grade)

Brice Butler – 1 snap (Butler was drafted in the seventh round in 2013 and recently unemployed)

The reasons are in front of every fan here that watches the game. People look for players to blame.

You cannot execute when the window is so small throwing for the sack of getting the ball out quickly turns into an interception or a pick six.

There is no running game because the offense is being overwhelmed by defenders. It was like the Commanders had an extra two players.

The reason we see what we see is because the people running this organization have no clue what they are doing. This includes the moron son Stephen, who hasn't fallen far from his Daddy tree.

Antonio Brown drafted in 6th round.

Adam Thelian undrafted.

Julian Edelman drafted in 7th round.

The receiving corps is fine. Guys are WIDE OPEN by pro standards.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Antonio Brown drafted in 6th round.

Adam Thelian undrafted.

Julian Edelman drafted in 7th round.

The receiving corps is fine. Guys are WIDE OPEN by pro standards.

That entire section is lifted from a Sturm article.

Further, one individual player on a receiving corp is not the same as the near the entire receiving corp being spares, rookies, and under achievers.

Now marry the overwhelming harassment Dak receives as the pocket collapses, and these guys not really as wide open as you claim.

The play where Zeke was open the defense forces Dak away from that play and by the time Zeke was open Dak was already committed to the other side of the field.

I swear it's like people don't really watch the games.