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My thougths.

Wade:
  • Defensive style pressure up front, but not tight in the secondary which allows offensives to beat the blitz by quick short passing.
  • Know to have good regular seasons and fold in the playoffs.
  • VERY relaxed coach with little fire to keep players in line.
  • Just cannot seem to get it done in big games.

I think we should promote Garrett (even though I've been very iffy about this). Bring back Hudson Houck to coach the oline. (Garrett knows him from the Cowboys and Dolphins) and hire Rex Ryan to take over the defense since he was fired along with Billick.

Garrett is smart, but he needs to follow in Jimmy's foot steps. Law down the law, but be a players coach only to those that execute. In otherwords, players like Crayton who open their mouths and fail to execute get in the dog house. Multiple failures to execute get you cut or traded.

Anyone remember John Roper (Cowboys LB mid 90s) getting cut for sleeping in a team meeting the day after his wife had a baby late the night before? Do your job or G.T.F.O.
 

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Why anyone would want to promote Garrett and fire Wade after that game is beyond me. I mean, it takes some real stupidity to even suggest it.
 

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Agreed that Wade needs to be gone, but replacing him with Garrett RIGHT NOW makes me worry. I say Jerry calls Jimmy down in Florida:

Jerry: "Jimmy we uhs got our self a problem here"
Jimmy: "Thats an understatement"
Jerry: "Well whats you think about coming in and coaching for a couple years until ol' Red is ready to take over"
Jimmy: "ah hell Jerry, what about my fish?"
Jerry: "Dang it Jimmy those stupid fish will be there when you get back are you not sick of spending every Sunday with Terry and Howie? We are talking about a team primed for a long term run all you got to do is sign up!"
Jimmy: "Yeah I guess your right...when are you coming to pick me up?"
 
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Rex Ryan would be a great defensive coordinator here... I bet that won't happen though. I kind of wish Dallas would have hired Mike Singletary for the head coaching job, he's the fire this team needs!
 

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theogt;1902877 said:
Why anyone would want to promote Garrett and fire Wade after that game is beyond me. I mean, it takes some real stupidity to even suggest it.

Hope that the unknown quantity will prove to be a miraculous cure. They could be right, they could be wrong, but I don't think that gambling like that is the best way to run an organization over the long haul. With some continuity and the emergence of some vocal leaders on offense and defense this team should continue to improve.
 

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Again, if it is Jerry Jones' intention to make Jason Garrett the Head Coach of the Cowboys at some point, I would not have a problem with the move.

I would not have a problem with Jerry Jones bringing Wade Phillips back, which obviously he will be back, but I would not want to do that at the expense of losing Jason Garrett.

Personally, I would not have mind seeing Jason Garrett being named Head Coach last year. Now is he young and in-experience? Yep, but every guy who has been a Head Coach in this league fit that description at one time or another.
 

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Sasquatch;1902893 said:
Hope that the unknown quantity will prove to be a miraculous cure. They could be right, they could be wrong, but I don't think that gambling like that is the best way to run an organization over the long haul. With some continuity and the emergence of some vocal leaders on offense and defense this team should continue to improve.

I agree. This team needs an Erik Williams or Kevin Gogan on offense and a Ken Norton or Brian Urlacher on defense. The coach doesn't always have to be the one to motivate....
 

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Sasquatch;1902893 said:
Hope that the unknown quantity will prove to be a miraculous cure. They could be right, they could be wrong, but I don't think that gambling like that is the best way to run an organization over the long haul. With some continuity and the emergence of some vocal leaders on offense and defense this team should continue to improve.
Much of Garrett's playcalling was questionable for most of the season, not just this last 5 games. There were so many "what the?" moments all season. What kept his rear clean was Tony, TO, and Witten playing out of their minds. Garrett doing certain things like moving TO around were nice, but it wasn't the reason we were playing lights out the first 3/4 of the season.

The guy needs several years as a coach before he should even be considered as an HC candidate.
 

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nyc;1902854 said:
My thougths.

Wade:
  • Defensive style pressure up front, but not tight in the secondary which allows offensives to beat the blitz by quick short passing.
  • Know to have good regular seasons and fold in the playoffs.
  • VERY relaxed coach with little fire to keep players in line.
  • Just cannot seem to get it done in big games.
I think we should promote Garrett (even though I've been very iffy about this). Bring back Hudson Houck to coach the oline. (Garrett knows him from the Cowboys and Dolphins) and hire Rex Ryan to take over the defense since he was fired along with Billick.

Garrett is smart, but he needs to follow in Jimmy's foot steps. Law down the law, but be a players coach only to those that execute. In otherwords, players like Crayton who open their mouths and fail to execute get in the dog house. Multiple failures to execute get you cut or traded.

Anyone remember John Roper (Cowboys LB mid 90s) getting cut for sleeping in a team meeting the day after his wife had a baby late the night before? Do your job or G.T.F.O.

we brought in phillips for a 3 year plan. at the time people were happy and we were building something positive and wow, get garrett to take his place when he's ready.

i think we can see now garrett may have a bit more learning to do. if someone wants to hire a HC with jr staff experience then 1 year OC, i guess that's their call. myself, i prefer to stay with the plan and continue to build.

far too many people are willing to let go of all this team has done (us fans have done nothing, so it's much easier to tear it up and start over for us) and the progress *we have in fact made* and see only yesterday. yes, yesterday sucked big time. no cowboy fan alive didn't get hurt or feel the disappointment.

we knew before the year started we would be good but not yet a dominate team. as 12-1 run to a 1-2 final burst and a quick out in the playoffs only remind us - we're still not quite there. frustrating, to be sure. painful, unfortunately. the short term sight we all do have does say "make this change, do that!" but that's not seeing the long road ahead usually. certainly not much in here now.

wade is a very different kind of coach. garrett needs to compliment that and my call would be to make them HC and assistant HC/OC for garrett and continue to let garrett learn, should he stay. hope so. but to compliment that he needs to be the fire and rage when it doesn't work out for the team.

good coach, bad coach. he doesn't need to go parcells extreme but he does need to get onto the players when phillips wants to serve 'em milk and cookies when they screw up to show he still loves them. you can still love 'em with your foot up their arse, wade.

romo has too much put on his plate. he made the OL look good at times and many seemed to figure it would always be that way. some still hollered that the line needs some love still. if the line is still an issue is sprano really that good? anyway - maybe romo was too good to start. he had a fairy tale beginning last year and even to start off this year. he's got about a year and a half as a starter and more experience to gain before he'll take that next step up.

we need to help him with a better line and a better running game. simply put. since the OL has been the bain of our existance for so long, i don't hold sprano in that high of a position. yes i could be wrong and i'm sure some vocals will disagree and get all giggly on me.

but after last night it's hard to argue.

we went into this season with a long term in mind and need to stay the course. firing the staff after every bad season or worse yet, bad playoff game, will only make us the Commanders.
 

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mickgreen58;1902898 said:
Again, if it is Jerry Jones' intention to make Jason Garrett the Head Coach of the Cowboys at some point, I would not have a problem with the move.

I would not have a problem with Jerry Jones bringing Wade Phillips back, which obviously he will be back, but I would not want to do that at the expense of losing Jason Garrett.

Personally, I would not have mind seeing Jason Garrett being named Head Coach last year. Now is he young and in-experience? Yep, but every guy who has been a Head Coach in this league fit that description at one time or another.

but they usually have a bit more experience first.
 

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I love McCarthy's attitude in Green Bay.....you don't perform, you get replaced and he will do it during games...simple as that.
Instead our caoch bemoans his players not being in the position they were supposed to be...if this is the case find someone that will!!!
 

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iceberg;1902914 said:
we brought in phillips for a 3 year plan. at the time people were happy and we were building something positive and wow, get garrett to take his place when he's ready.

i think we can see now garrett may have a bit more learning to do. if someone wants to hire a HC with jr staff experience then 1 year OC, i guess that's their call. myself, i prefer to stay with the plan and continue to build.

far too many people are willing to let go of all this team has done (us fans have done nothing, so it's much easier to tear it up and start over for us) and the progress *we have in fact made* and see only yesterday. yes, yesterday sucked big time. no cowboy fan alive didn't get hurt or feel the disappointment.

we knew before the year started we would be good but not yet a dominate team. as 12-1 run to a 1-2 final burst and a quick out in the playoffs only remind us - we're still not quite there. frustrating, to be sure. painful, unfortunately. the short term sight we all do have does say "make this change, do that!" but that's not seeing the long road ahead usually. certainly not much in here now.

wade is a very different kind of coach. garrett needs to compliment that and my call would be to make them HC and assistant HC/OC for garrett and continue to let garrett learn, should he stay. hope so. but to compliment that he needs to be the fire and rage when it doesn't work out for the team.

good coach, bad coach. he doesn't need to go parcells extreme but he does need to get onto the players when phillips wants to serve 'em milk and cookies when they screw up to show he still loves them. you can still love 'em with your foot up their arse, wade.

romo has too much put on his plate. he made the OL look good at times and many seemed to figure it would always be that way. some still hollered that the line needs some love still. if the line is still an issue is sprano really that good? anyway - maybe romo was too good to start. he had a fairy tale beginning last year and even to start off this year. he's got about a year and a half as a starter and more experience to gain before he'll take that next step up.

we need to help him with a better line and a better running game. simply put. since the OL has been the bain of our existance for so long, i don't hold sprano in that high of a position. yes i could be wrong and i'm sure some vocals will disagree and get all giggly on me.

but after last night it's hard to argue.

we went into this season with a long term in mind and need to stay the course. firing the staff after every bad season or worse yet, bad playoff game, will only make us the Commanders.

Very good post Iceberg.... the Commander comment was a great point.... we're not as far as some folks think.

I'm not into this fire or cut mentality after a loss...... unless your last name is reeves or williams... maybe crayton....:D
 

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theogt;1902877 said:
Why anyone would want to promote Garrett and fire Wade after that game is beyond me. I mean, it takes some real stupidity to even suggest it.

Hey theogt. You shouldn't be doling out who is stupid. A very classless thing to do. I never really liked Wade in the first place and damn sure wasn't keen on his arrival. Though he was the best of two evils in Norv Turner or Wade Phillips.

The guy has never gotten it done in his entire career in big games. He is now 0-4 in the playoffs. In Denver, not only did he lose to the Raiders in the playoffs, he lost to the Raiders in the season finally to allow the Raiders into the playoffs in the first place. He defense is known for sacking the QB, but it's also known for giving up big plays and breaking down at the end of the season. The guy lacks a backbone. His little tirades earler this year, where just a show for the media because the media was jumping on him for being soft.

Judge not a man by what he says, but by what he does during hard times.

Wade is 0-4 and has had better teams in several of those games. They should have beaten the Dolphins, they should have beaten the Raiders (twice!) The Cowboys should have beaten the Giants, but they didn't.
 

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theogt;1902877 said:
Why anyone would want to promote Garrett and fire Wade after that game is beyond me. I mean, it takes some real stupidity to even suggest it.


While I'm not big on the hillbilly at this point, Garrett has underwhelmed me over the last month.

I think we're stuck with jed clampett for another year.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1903056 said:
While I'm not big on the hillbilly at this point, Garrett has underwhelmed me over the last month.

I think we're stuck with jed clampett for another year.


Jed Clampett....:lmao2: :lmao2:

Never thought of him that way......:D
 

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MichaelWinicki;1903056 said:
While I'm not big on the hillbilly at this point, Garrett has underwhelmed me over the last month.

I think we're stuck with jed clampett for another year.


I wonder if the last month has hurt Garrett's chances with another team?
 

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utrunner07;1902881 said:
Agreed that Wade needs to be gone, but replacing him with Garrett RIGHT NOW makes me worry. I say Jerry calls Jimmy down in Florida:

Jerry: "Jimmy we uhs got our self a problem here"
Jimmy: "Thats an understatement"
Jerry: "Well whats you think about coming in and coaching for a couple years until ol' Red is ready to take over"
Jimmy: "ah hell Jerry, what about my fish?"
Jerry: "Dang it Jimmy those stupid fish will be there when you get back are you not sick of spending every Sunday with Terry and Howie? We are talking about a team primed for a long term run all you got to do is sign up!"
Jimmy: "Yeah I guess your right...when are you coming to pick me up?"

LOL ya I wish.
 

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1fisher;1903062 said:
I wonder if the last month has hurt Garrett's chances with another team?

Oh, big time. I think if the Cowboys would have won a playoff game or two, Garrett would be as good as gone. But the fact is that the offense played the same way as they did during the last 4 games of the regular season, and add bye to that to boot.

I would be VERY surprised now if Garrett gets a head coaching offer.
 
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