Murray and Bryant

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I really want to see how we might go about keeping both of these guys on this team. The Cowboys offered Murray 4 years 16 million dollars, this might have been a huge mistake. Offering a little more might have gotten a deal done, whereas now... He is definitely looking for top 3 running back money.

I maintain the best option for Murray is to franchise him two years in a row.

But to see how the Cowboys are looking at contracts, I think it is important to look at the biggest contracts we've given out recently (to what I would call future players).

1. Tyron Smith
2. Sean Lee
3. Dan Bailey

It's worth noting that Tyron Smith's contract is not at all backloaded. It rises from 10 million a year to 13 million a year in the last two years of the contract, but when you consider the salary cap by then, it would obviously be a smaller percentage of the pie.

With that being said, they signed him to an 8 year deal. This is significant because you can only prorate signing bonus over 5 years. What this means is that the Cowboys plan to restructure Smith's contract for a few years. This is even more obvious when you see that 2015 has 11 million in the base salary, compared to 10 million every other year. The Cowboys can restructure Smith's contract probably five times. I think that is significant when you realize that Tony Romo is signed until 2019.

The Cowboys will do the same with Dez Bryant, probably not with DeMarco Murray. WRs aren't the same as RBs. WRs have a much longer shelf life.

Sean Lee's contract shows us the Cowboys aren't throwing money out there willy nilly though. They are being careful about not paying age/injury.

Sean Lee's cap hit stays pretty small until 2017, where cutting him (assuming no more restructures) would only result in 4 million in dead money, which can be spread over the course of two years if need be. There is no need to restructure Lee's 2015 base salary, as he is only making 2.5 million. Lee is cheap until he becomes worth it, and if he doesn't he is cheap to cut.

Dan Bailey's contract is a basic contract that increases in small increments over time to go with the increase of the salary cap, but whenever you hear me say we should sign this player early, this is a prime example. Dan Bailey is currently the 4th highest paid kicker in the nfl (average salary). He is arguably the best kicker in the NFL. If the rates for kickers climb at all, it'll show that we on average have saved appropriately by signing him early.

We're looking at having to pay Dez Bryant 15-16 million per year. This is really going to hurt us. At running back if you argue that AP's contract is an aberration, you're still looking at 9 million a year based on what Jamaal Charles got paid.

Jamaal Charles will be the standard for any DeMarco Murray contract going forward. The Chiefs though paying through the teeth for Charles, gave themselves plenty of outs.

Almost half of his contract is roster bonuses and other various forms of bonuses. If we keep Murray, they'll have to structure his contract similarly. The Eagles didn't do this, and now they're paying the price with McCoy, who they're probably going to have to cut at this rate. At least they were smart to limit the signing bonus and haven't been restructuring his money. They paid him about 6 million per year, and they'll probably cut him next year with little dead money to deal with.
 

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If Dez insists on $15-$16 million per, I think you have to let him walk. That's just outside elite QB money. I don't see how paying that kind of money to a receiver, even one as great as Dez, can be justified. An average annual salary more or less in line with Tyron's seems appropriate, in light of their relative value to the team.

What's the cost to franchise Murray? You're talking about allocating a great deal of resources to a position where there are plenty of good players available and where you don't necessarily need one of the best guys to win. If we let Murray walk, are we likely to be able to replace him with a player of equal quality? Likely not. Do we need to? Likely not.
 

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Franchising Murray is going to be ~$9-10M. Expensive.

A deal is going to get done with Dez. The sides, I don't think, are all that far apart. They were pretty close to getting it done at the end of preseason. Getting Leary and a RT and R McClain and Carter done--or replacing those guys--is going to be more challenging, I think, than what you do with Murray.

For Murray, I still offer him a four year deal with a big chunk of it guaranteed at a relative bargain right now (~$5-6 AAV/year) and use the possibility of the franchise tag next year over his head. That makes him a year older going into FA, and makes him dodge the injury bug again for another full season. It lets you ride him as hard as you want to for the next season and a half, and dangles enough guaranteed money that it might be tempting. 4 years/$22M with $12 guaranteed, compared to ~$9-10 next year if he's healthy through the end of this season and then an open ended future the year after heading into a season where he'll be a 28 year old RB who's had record carries the last two seasons. At some point, he'd have to consider the benefit of locking in the $12M now. A significant injury (knock on @Wood) from here on out takes a lot of money out of his pocket.
 

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If Dez insists on $15-$16 million per, I think you have to let him walk. That's just outside elite QB money. I don't see how paying that kind of money to a receiver, even one as great as Dez, can be justified. An average annual salary more or less in line with Tyron's seems appropriate, in light of their relative value to the team.

What's the cost to franchise Murray? You're talking about allocating a great deal of resources to a position where there are plenty of good players available and where you don't necessarily need one of the best guys to win. If we let Murray walk, are we likely to be able to replace him with a player of equal quality? Likely not. Do we need to? Likely not.

If Dez wants over 10 mil a year I say bye. Franchising Murray is a possibility if he doesn't bite on the offer that I am sure jerry can raise up a little bit. That F tag is a great thing. With the year he is having I am no longer interested in even F tagging DB as he is just a pass catcher now and Romo can find any of our above average receiver group which includes Murray also. Murray stays on this team minimum 2 more seasons and the Cowboys win the biggest game of the year on this guys legs.
 

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honestly i'm much more intrigued by an AP/Dez future. I think AP is a better back, he's from East Texas just like Dez and grew up a Cowboys fan. All this talk about Murray-Dez chemistry, trust me AP/Dez will build the same thing quickly.
 

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When I saw the title, I thought it was a reference to how much those guys were bonding on Sunday, which, like a lot of other things, is a great development this season.
 
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Murray is easy...if he wants too much, he can walk. If Dez wanted near QB money, that's when things would get interesting.
 

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Franchising Murray is going to be ~$9-10M. Expensive.

A deal is going to get done with Dez. The sides, I don't think, are all that far apart. They were pretty close to getting it done at the end of preseason. Getting Leary and a RT and R McClain and Carter done--or replacing those guys--is going to be more challenging, I think, than what you do with Murray.

For Murray, I still offer him a four year deal with a big chunk of it guaranteed at a relative bargain right now (~$5-6 AAV/year) and use the possibility of the franchise tag next year over his head. That makes him a year older going into FA, and makes him dodge the injury bug again for another full season. It lets you ride him as hard as you want to for the next season and a half, and dangles enough guaranteed money that it might be tempting. 4 years/$22M with $12 guaranteed, compared to ~$9-10 next year if he's healthy through the end of this season and then an open ended future the year after heading into a season where he'll be a 28 year old RB who's had record carries the last two seasons. At some point, he'd have to consider the benefit of locking in the $12M now. A significant injury (knock on @Wood) from here on out takes a lot of money out of his pocket.

I take no issue with using the threat of a franchise tag as negotiating leverage. I do, however, question whether Murray and his agent are likely to view it as a credible threat.

I'll tell you what I think certainly gives the Cowboys negotiating leverage at this point: just how hard they've been riding Murray. I guarantee that he and his agent are aware of the historical performance of backs in the years following shouldering such a heavy workoad. And they know every GM in the league is aware of that history too. They have a strong incentive to get a reasonable deal done before the season gets done in order to preserve Murray's future value. In contrast, the team has no incentive to manage his workload and avoid "using him up" until it has secured his long-term services.
 

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When was the last time Jerry Jones wasn't able to keep a player here he wanted? I seriously can't remember a time.

Jerry's biggest fault is that he tends to pay too much to keep players here. Although, I think the recent Ratliff and Orton situations may have Jerry thinking twice about overpaying.
 

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When was the last time Jerry Jones wasn't able to keep a player here he wanted? I seriously can't remember a time.

You don't think he wanted to keep Ware here?

I would say that Jerry, like every other GM in the league, operates under real financial constraints that are artificially imposed by the salary cap.
 

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You don't think he wanted to keep Ware here?

I would say that Jerry, like every other GM in the league, operates under real financial constraints that are artificially imposed by the salary cap.

I would think in a perfect world, if there was no salary cap, they would have loved to keep Hatcher as well.
 

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You don't think he wanted to keep Ware here?

I would say that Jerry, like every other GM in the league, operates under real financial constraints that are artificially imposed by the salary cap.

Jerry Jones did not want Ware here in my opinion. It just wasn't wise to throw money at Ware at this stage based on his recent production and injury history. After the GB game last year, JJ even said that Ware's poor play that game did not go unnoticed. Ware was going up against a rookie 4th rd pick and couldn't do squat. Jerry didn't even make an offer to Ware.
 

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Jerry Jones did not want Ware here in my opinion. It just wasn't wise to throw money at Ware at this stage based on his recent production and injury history. After the GB game last year, JJ even said that Ware's poor play that game did not go unnoticed. Ware was going up against a rookie 4th rd pick and couldn't do squat. Jerry didn't even make an offer to Ware.

There are so many ways to look at it.

One Pro-Ware way to look at it is that it didn't make a whole lot of sense for the Cowboys to switch from a 3-4 defense that had the greatest 3-4 pass rusher in a generation in Demarcus Ware and 2012's best overall 3-4 OLB in Spencer and try to convert those two guys in 4-3 DEs.
 

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honestly i'm much more intrigued by an AP/Dez future. I think AP is a better back, he's from East Texas just like Dez and grew up a Cowboys fan. All this talk about Murray-Dez chemistry, trust me AP/Dez will build the same thing quickly.

Maybe we can trade Dez to minny.
 
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