Murray-Let's talk about possible Injury

[Romo_To_Dez]

All of these people saying that the amount of carries that Murray gets will get him hurt or wear him down. Which I hope doesn't happen. And they are saying that if Murray gets hurt than our playoff chances will be damaged which might be true.

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged. Players who haven't had as many carries as Murray has have been hurt. Every team who looks like a contender right now is an injury to a key player away from being in trouble.

If Murray's carries can be reduced without it stalling the offense than Garrett should do it. At the same time I don't want to mess with success and teams can't play with the fear that one of their players getting hurt to the point where it has a negative impact on play calling and things like that.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Injuries are a fact in the NFL.

Murray is the brunt of this debate because of his past. Just part of the territory.

Right now there is talk of Jason Pierre Paul being "injury prone". He wasn't considered this way his first three years, but all of a sudden there is talk in the media.

Funny how perception changes everything.

 

[jaybird]

All of these people saying that the amount of carries that Murray gets will get him hurt or wear him down. Which I hope doesn't happen. And they are saying that if Murray gets hurt than our playoff chances will be damaged which might be true.

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged. Players who haven't had as many carries as Murray has have been hurt. Every team who looks like a contender right now is an injury to a key player away from being in trouble.

If Murray's carries can be reduced without it stalling the offense than Garrett should do it. At the same time I don't want to mess with success and teams can't play with the fear that one of their players getting hurt to the point where it has a negative impact on play calling and things like that.

We've had too many games, where we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and such( see harris). Therfore we've had to lean on Murray to finish. There will be games where we get up early-big and Randle and Lance can carry the load more. We have yet to play a complete game and we're still 6-1.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged.

That is the difference being chased and being the chaser.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

We've had too many games, where we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and such( see harris). Therfore we've had to lean on Murray to finish. There will be games where we get up early-big and Randle and Lance can carry the load more. We have yet to play a complete game and we're still 6-1.

If the O-Line can keep playing well enough then that will help the other guys produce positive yardage late in games when they have the opposing teams defense wore down. So the O-line staying healthy is just as important as Murray staying healthy is.

 

[xwalker]

All of these people saying that the amount of carries that Murray gets will get him hurt or wear him down. Which I hope doesn't happen. And they are saying that if Murray gets hurt than our playoff chances will be damaged which might be true.

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged. Players who haven't had as many carries as Murray has have been hurt. Every team who looks like a contender right now is an injury to a key player away from being in trouble.

If Murray's carries can be reduced without it stalling the offense than Garrett should do it. At the same time I don't want to mess with success and teams can't play with the fear that one of their players getting hurt to the point where it has a negative impact on play calling and things like that.

Wear and tear on players is definitely something that coaches in Pro Sports have to consider. In the NBA they manage minutes for older Super Star players. In MLB they give veteran's days off. In the NFL most teams limit RBs carries. Yes, you don't want to do it from a perspective of being "scared", but it has to be a consideration. Coaches need to manage the things that they have control over. They have control over a RBs number of touches per game. They don't have control over random injuries to other players.

 

[DallasInDC]

All of these people saying that the amount of carries that Murray gets will get him hurt or wear him down. Which I hope doesn't happen. And they are saying that if Murray gets hurt than our playoff chances will be damaged which might be true.

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged. Players who haven't had as many carries as Murray has have been hurt. Every team who looks like a contender right now is an injury to a key player away from being in trouble.

If Murray's carries can be reduced without it stalling the offense than Garrett should do it. At the same time I don't want to mess with success and teams can't play with the fear that one of their players getting hurt to the point where it has a negative impact on play calling and things like that.

First of all, DO NOT use Murray next to the word injury in a thread title. I nearly went into freak out mode thinking Murray had injured himself. Now that my blood pressure has gone back down, my observation is that most people are linear thinkers, i.e. they tend to think that whatever happened in the past will determine what will happen in the future as if one predestined the other. If Murray was injured in the past he will definitely be injured in the future. If a limited number of backs broke down after a certain number of carries, all backs will break down. it is a very simple way of viewing things.

 

[DanTanna]

IMO, we need to run Murray until he's worn out. Lets say he has 10,000 yards in him for his career. We can "be safe" and get him 1000 yards a season for 10 years. OR, we can run him to death and get 1,600 yards per season for 6 years. The TEAM winning % will be much greater with the second choice.

We need an Eric Dickerson, Terrell Davis, , Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson, Ladanian - some one who might not last long but they contribute big time to our winning. As opposed to a Deangelo Williams Steven Jackson that has a nice 12 year career but never is a supreme difference maker. In today's NFL with players constantly holding out, BULL CRAP like Kyle Orton and Jay Ratliff totally screwing over their teams, and players like Marion Barber that get paid and then TOTALLY SHUT IT DOWN, we have to use them up while we can or they'll *** us over.

 

[JD_KaPow]

We've had too many games, where we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and such( see harris). Therfore we've had to lean on Murray to finish.

One of the biggest sources of those turnovers has been Murray himself. I'm a little surprised they're not giving the ball to Randle for those run-out-the-clock plays (as in, why the heck was Murray in there for the last 3 runs against the Giants?).

 

[JD_KaPow]

All of these people saying that the amount of carries that Murray gets will get him hurt or wear him down. Which I hope doesn't happen. And they are saying that if Murray gets hurt than our playoff chances will be damaged which might be true.

What I don't get is fans of other teams being focused on Murray getting hurt for his amount of carries when their team too just like ours can be an injury away from their playoff chances being damaged. Players who haven't had as many carries as Murray has have been hurt. Every team who looks like a contender right now is an injury to a key player away from being in trouble.

If Murray's carries can be reduced without it stalling the offense than Garrett should do it. At the same time I don't want to mess with success and teams can't play with the fear that one of their players getting hurt to the point where it has a negative impact on play calling and things like that.

The reasons there's all this focus on Murray is (1) he's never gotten through a full season before, (2) there's plenty of evidence that giving RBs incredibly heavy workloads in a season correlates to injury and very rapid decline, and most importantly (3) he's racking up carries at a rate that has never happened before. It's not that he's a guy with an injury history who's shouldering a heavy workload this year. It's that he's a guy with an injury history who's shouldering the heaviest workload in the history of the NFL. Of course everyone's talking about that.

 

[jobberone]

I agree with @xwalker. You limit carries for a RB on a week to week basis. Depends on how dinged up he is. It also depends on RB style. There have been runners in the NFL who run with total abandon. There was a Was RB I think in the 70s or maybe 80s who ran like a wild man. (??Brown) He didn't last long but it was fun watching him (mostly). Barber ran a bit like a wild man. I am still a bit concerned about Murray spearing with his helmet but it is better this season. His style otherwise is not bad IMO. Some players and they are very very few get better with time. John Riggins is one. :yuck:

You don't take the ball away from a special player when you need him but you have to manage a players' reps at some level at some point. As some said, we need to get to a point where we can give the ball to other players. 22-25 runs a game is about right IMO.

 

[MapleLeaf]

IMO, we need to run Murray until he's worn out. Lets say he has 10,000 yards in him for his career. We can "be safe" and get him 1000 yards a season for 10 years. OR, we can run him to death and get 1,600 yards per season for 6 years. The TEAM winning % will be much greater with the second choice.

We need an Eric Dickerson, Terrell Davis, , Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson, Ladanian - some one who might not last long but they contribute big time to our winning. As opposed to a Deangelo Williams Steven Jackson that has a nice 12 year career but never is a supreme difference maker. In today's NFL with players constantly holding out, BULL CRAP like Kyle Orton and Jay Ratliff totally screwing over their teams, and players like Marion Barber that get paid and then TOTALLY SHUT IT DOWN, we have to use them up while we can or they'll *** us over.

I agree on the Kyle and Jay comment.

Stuff on Barber I would be cautious. Information coming out now on Barber alludes to the reason why his game may have changed and he is suffering the situation right now which may have been plaguing him in his final years in the NFL.

That man has given u p a lot for this game and I would be hesitant about being critical of him as a person.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If the O-Line can keep playing well enough then that will help the other guys produce positive yardage late in games when they have the opposing teams defense wore down. So the O-line staying healthy is just as important as Murray staying healthy is.

And... I would live to see more of Murray following his lead blocker/lineman downfield. Let them take a hot or two for him

When they do that it reminds me of Emmitt when he used start a lot of his runs that way.