My 2015 defense (pre-draft)

[Galian Beast]

Secondary

LCB - Antonio Cromartie, Claiborne. Patmon
RCB - Charles Tillman (in the nickel) (Orlando Scandrick in 4-3), Moore
NCB - Orlando Scandrick

SS - Barry Church
FS - JJ Wilcox

Linebackers
WLB - Sean Lee
MLB - Rolando McClain
SLB - Anthony Hitchens, Justin Durant

Defensive Line
RDE - Jason Pierre Paul, Demarcus Lawrence
DT - Tyrone Crawford, Amobi Okoye
NT - Stephen Paea, Ken Bishop
LDE - Jeremy Mincey, Ben Gardner

I think it's affordable, and I think it's a top 10 defense

 

[Woods]

What do you think the probability is that the Giants let JPP walk? I am not too familiar with their cap situation. Given the state of the Giants defense, I'd think they would try to keep JPP.

 

[Galian Beast]

What do you think the probability is that the Giants let JPP walk? I am not too familiar with their cap situation. Given the state of the Giants defense, I'd think they would try to keep JPP.

To be honest, I'm not sure, just saying he is my prime target. There are others that we could get for this position as well.

 

[Fredd]

I gotta say, if you asked me 7 or 8 weeks into the season, JPP would not have been on my radar, but I think he is one of my favorite targets as well this off season

 

[The Quest for Six]

Secondary

LCB - Antonio Cromartie, Claiborne. Patmon
RCB - Charles Tillman (in the nickel) (Orlando Scandrick in 4-3), Moore
NCB - Orlando Scandrick

SS - Barry Church
FS - JJ Wilcox

Linebackers
WLB - Sean Lee
MLB - Rolando McClain
SLB - Anthony Hitchens, Justin Durant

Defensive Line
RDE - Jason Pierre Paul, Demarcus Lawrence
DT - Tyrone Crawford, Amobi Okoye
NT - Stephen Paea, Ken Bishop
LDE - Jeremy Mincey, Ben Gardner

I think it's affordable, and I think it's a top 10 defense

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Dallas need a Safety desperately, either free agency or the draft..Church isn't the answer...this team needs a monster defensive tackle, someone that takes on a double team, if I'm spending money in free agency, I'd spend money on Suh, draft another defensive end and another Defensive tackle and another corner...

 

[Galian Beast]

I gotta say, if you asked me 7 or 8 weeks into the season, JPP would not have been on my radar, but I think he is one of my favorite targets as well this off season

I can only imagine what Marinelli could do with JPP. I think he could turn him into the best pass rusher in the league.

The biggest issue there is money, and how much it will cost to take him from New York. The worst case scenario though, is we can run the price up on the Giants though, like the Commanders have done to us in the past.

 

[Galian Beast]

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Dallas need a Safety desperately, either free agency or the draft..Church isn't the answer...this team needs a monster defensive tackle, someone that takes on a double team, if I'm spending money in free agency, I'd spend money on Suh, draft another defensive end and another Defensive tackle and another corner...

I think that the Cowboys can get by with what they have at safety for now. I also don't think we need much more at defensive tackle as long as we upgrade the edges. I think at best we should re-sign Melton with another team friendly contract. I wouldn't sign Suh, because that is a lot of money towards a player you can't trust for a long period of time. He's a great player, but he is also a dirty player. If he wasn't I'd be all about it. I think him and McClain together would give us a Pittsburgh or Baltimore style of defense.

I think we obviously should focus no defense in the draft, but I think we should try to get the defense as set as possible before then. Let the players come to us not the other way around.

 

[xwalker]

Secondary

LCB - Antonio Cromartie, Claiborne. Patmon
RCB - Charles Tillman (in the nickel) (Orlando Scandrick in 4-3), Moore
NCB - Orlando Scandrick

SS - Barry Church
FS - JJ Wilcox

Linebackers
WLB - Sean Lee
MLB - Rolando McClain
SLB - Anthony Hitchens, Justin Durant

Defensive Line
RDE - Jason Pierre Paul, Demarcus Lawrence
DT - Tyrone Crawford, Amobi Okoye
NT - Stephen Paea, Ken Bishop
LDE - Jeremy Mincey, Ben Gardner

I think it's affordable, and I think it's a top 10 defense

That's a difference set of free agents than in you other thread.

JPP is going to be incredibly expensive.

Have you studied Paea? The Cowboys easily bullied him around when the Cowboys played the Bears in 2014.

The probability of Josh Brent not making the team is low. He is Jerry's pet cat.

Cromartie could be a good option to replace Carr. He played on a 1-year, 3.5M contract in 2014.

 

[xwalker]

I think that the Cowboys can get by with what they have at safety for now. I also don't think we need much more at defensive tackle as long as we upgrade the edges. I think at best we should re-sign Melton with another team friendly contract. I wouldn't sign Suh, because that is a lot of money towards a player you can't trust for a long period of time. He's a great player, but he is also a dirty player. If he wasn't I'd be all about it. I think him and McClain together would give us a Pittsburgh or Baltimore style of defense.

I think we obviously should focus no defense in the draft, but I think we should try to get the defense as set as possible before then. Let the players come to us not the other way around.

I think Suh is the safest of the big money free agents. He has only missed 2 games in 5 years. He plays a large percentage of the snaps. Compare that to JPP who had back surgery and has missed 15 games in the past 4 years.

 

[Galian Beast]

That's a difference set of free agents than in you other thread.

JPP is going to be incredibly expensive.

Have you studied Paea? The Cowboys easily bullied him around when the Cowboys played the Bears in 2014.

The probability of Josh Brent not making the team is low. He is Jerry's pet cat.

Cromartie could be a good option to replace Carr. He played on a 1-year, 3.5M contract in 2014.

It's not very different. I've added Cromartie, since he has suggested this is where he wants to play and retire. That should mean that we can get him for a more favorable price than most teams.

You keep harping on one game you've looked at Paea. He's been around for a long time on a defensive line that has done very well. I haven't studied him, but there must be a reason why they never replaced him year in and year out.

I think Josh Brent faces long odds. Jerry might like him, but does Marinelli?

I think Cromartie, Scandrick, Tillman, Claiborne, Moore/Patmon will make a good cornerback group, especially with a much better defensive line. That's why I'm willing to pay JPP. One you take a player of that stature away from New York, and second you add him to your roster. It's doubly worth it, especially when you consider that New York is up and coming again with ODB. I want to stunt their growth.

 

[xwalker]

It's not very different. I've added Cromartie, since he has suggested this is where he wants to play and retire. That should mean that we can get him for a more favorable price than most teams.

You keep harping on one game you've looked at Paea. He's been around for a long time on a defensive line that has done very well. I haven't studied him, but there must be a reason why they never replaced him year in and year out.

I think Josh Brent faces long odds. Jerry might like him, but does Marinelli?

I think Cromartie, Scandrick, Tillman, Claiborne, Moore/Patmon will make a good cornerback group, especially with a much better defensive line. That's why I'm willing to pay JPP. One you take a player of that stature away from New York, and second you add him to your roster. It's doubly worth it, especially when you consider that New York is up and coming again with ODB. I want to stunt their growth.

I had suggested Cromartie as a replacement for Carr earlier this week.

I keep seeing people suggest signing Paea as a free agent but I don't think many of those people have really studied him. I'm not saying he is terrible, but I'm not certain that he's a big upgrade over some options the Cowboys already have on the roster. Paea actually reminds me a T. McClain as a 1tech is is a better rusher than run defender. TMcClain was on the verge of replacing Melton when they both got injured again. I don't think McClain was ever fully healthy. With McClain as the pass rushing 1tech/3tech and Brent as the run stopper I think they can be an upgrade over Hayden for a minimal cost. It's a 2nd true 3tech that they need to find.

Jerry is the boss. They added Brent to the 53 immediately after his suspension was up even though they had a 1 or 2 week exemption that could have used where he could have practiced without counting against the 53. That's a strong indicator of a Jerry move. If it was a coaches move they would have used the exemption because Brent was not even ready to play for another 2 weeks.

 

[visionary]

DE with back issues who is looking fit a pay day should not be our target

Give me:

Brandon graham, de/ or Greg hardy if he will not be suspended
Terrance knighton, DT
Rahim Moore, FS

Better defense than what you are showing at lower cost

 

[Galian Beast]

I had suggested Cromartie as a replacement for Carr earlier this week.

I keep seeing people suggest signing Paea as a free agent but I don't think many of those people have really studied him. I'm not saying he is terrible, but I'm not certain that he's a big upgrade over some options the Cowboys already have on the roster. Paea actually reminds me a T. McClain as a 1tech is is a better rusher than run defender. TMcClain was on the verge of replacing Melton when they both got injured again. I don't think McClain was ever fully healthy. With McClain as the pass rushing 1tech/3tech and Brent as the run stopper I think they can be an upgrade over Hayden for a minimal cost. It's a 2nd true 3tech that they need to find.

Jerry is the boss. They added Brent to the 53 immediately after his suspension was up even though they had a 1 or 2 week exemption that could have used where he could have practiced without counting against the 53. That's a strong indicator of a Jerry move. If it was a coaches move they would have used the exemption because Brent was not even ready to play for another 2 weeks.

And I agreed with you on Cromartie.

I think you're underestimating Paea, and who Marinelli would probably want. I don't think McClain was going to replace Melton outside of injury. Melton was banged up most of the year, and slowed from his previous surgery and lack of an off season. I have no doubt if he is brought back under a new deal that our training staff can bring him back to peak condition.

I think Paea is an upgrade over Hayden and Brent, and I think most of the league would think so too. After what they're paying Marinelli and how much trust Jerry has, I don't think he is going to fight him over Brent. Marinelli will get who and what he wants.

 

[Fredd]

I can only imagine what Marinelli could do with JPP. I think he could turn him into the best pass rusher in the league.

The biggest issue there is money, and how much it will cost to take him from New York. The worst case scenario though, is we can run the price up on the Giants though, like the Commanders have done to us in the past.

agreed...I didn't study JPP or anything, but it smacks of obvious to me that he had a better 2nd half because he was motivated ($$$)...if he was motivated all season long, he could potentially be the guy that other teams have to game-plan for....I imagine JPP taking up double teams and then a combination of Crawford up the middle and DLaw on the right side crashing into QB's, or at least making them uncomfortable....

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'd rather continue to keep and acquire young players. Those two CBs you mentioned are old. I'd only bring one of them in if it's dirt cheap. McClain and Carter should be the two guys we try to bring back. They're young and have star potential. No way I bring back Durant over Carter. And if we're gonna throw huge money at a free agent, I'd rather it be on Suh than JPP. Suh never gets injured and has been a superstar every year in the league. JPP never stays healthy and hasn't been a superstar for years. Then draft defense. Get the best players, but focus on DE, FS and CB.

 

[Nightman]

I'd rather continue to keep and acquire young players. Those two CBs you mentioned are old. I'd only bring one of them in if it's dirt cheap. McClain and Carter should be the two guys we try to bring back. They're young and have star potential. No way I bring back Durant over Carter. And if we're gonna throw huge money at a free agent, I'd rather it be on Suh than JPP. Suh never gets injured and has been a superstar every year in the league. JPP never stays healthy and hasn't been a superstar for years. Then draft defense. Get the best players, but focus on DE, FS and CB.

I'd rather have Suh and a draft pick than JPP and Paea. Spencer/Draft- Crawford- Suh- Mincey/Lawrence

Cromartie and Tillman don't seem like upgrades to Carr and Scandrick. Claiborne is coming back as well and Moore showed some upside. I could see drafting a CB early , but not signing 2 old ones.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'd rather have Suh and a draft pick than JPP and Paea. Spencer/Draft- Crawford- Suh- Mincey/Lawrence

Cromartie and Tillman don't seem like upgrades to Carr and Scandrick. Claiborne is coming back as well and Moore showed some upside. I could see drafting a CB early , but not signing 2 old ones.

Yep. I think we'll be fine on CBs if we upgrade FS and the pass rush. I think we could even lose Carr and be okay. I don't know if I'd rely on Spencer at DE though. I think we should just continue to try to get younger and talented. That's why I think Bruce Carter is important. We have the players to have a strong LBer corps for many years.

 

[Nightman]

Yep. I think we'll be fine on CBs if we upgrade FS and the pass rush. I think we could even lose Carr and be okay. I don't know if I'd rely on Spencer at DE though. I think we should just continue to try to get younger and talented. That's why I think Bruce Carter is important. We have the players to have a strong LBer corps for many years.

That's why I said Draft at SDE. I mean an early pick. Spencer would have to be a cheap option, but I like him on early downs.

I would love to bring back Carter and McClain. Add in Lee and another camp for Hitchens and that is a stellar group.

 

[locked&loaded]

Id take Cromartie, but not Tillman.

Don't want Paea.

Take JPP.

Rather bring in Kareem Jackson or Chris Culliver than either of those corners, obviously they will be more pricey, though.

Rather bring in Raji, L. Guion or Tyson Alualu than Paea.

JPP sounds great albeit expensive, since in my scenario the CBs are more expensive Id look to bring in Adrian clayborn'/Brandon Graham/Jabaal Sheard

That combined with a good draft.

Supa Bo !

 

[Kaiser]

Secondary

LCB - Antonio Cromartie, Claiborne. Patmon
RCB - Charles Tillman (in the nickel) (Orlando Scandrick in 4-3), Moore
NCB - Orlando Scandrick

Defensive Line
RDE - Jason Pierre Paul, Demarcus Lawrence
DT - Tyrone Crawford, Amobi Okoye
NT - Stephen Paea, Ken Bishop
LDE - Jeremy Mincey, Ben Gardner

I think it's affordable, and I think it's a top 10 defense

I like the pieces but not the placement. Scandrick is the best CB on that list and will be the #1 starter. Also I think they sign a centerfield type of FS for passing downs, I think that player is signed before a second CB. (I do think they sign and draft CBs however).

DLaw will be better than Mincey and would start opposite JPP in that scenario. Also I think we have enough people at DT and Josh Brent will start, they don't need to spend a lot at the DT spot. I think the LBs shake out exactly like you list it.