my choices for the 2007 hall of fame
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lane;1355142 said:
LOL...hit me where it hurts!!!
Oh yea, I remember him. My dad met him and has an autographed photo of him as well. Amazing flexibilty is what I remember and tremendous height on his punts. I just saw a stat not too long ago about him that blew me away...I never would have imagined it based on his reputation. I'm not even going to say what it is...just wanted someone to make a legitimate case why a punter should be in the hall of fame.
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Why doesn't anyone think Tommy Davis should be the first punter in the Hall of Fame? (Is it because there was no Superdome scoreboard to hit when he played in the 1960s?)
Ray Guy might be more famous, but Tommy Davis had SIX seasons with a higher punting average than Guy's career high (45.3 yards). Between 1959 and 1965, Davis' annual averages were 45.7 yards, 44.1 yards, 45.4 yards, 45.6 yards, 45.4 yards, 45.6 yards and 45.8 yards. Ray Guy had only one season with an average higher than 43.8 yards. Out of the top 215 averages in NFL history (since 1939), Guy had ONE -- tied for 69th. Davis had six of the top 68.
By the way, McBriar's average this year (48.2) was sixth all-time.
Ray Guy might be more famous, but Tommy Davis had SIX seasons with a higher punting average than Guy's career high (45.3 yards). Between 1959 and 1965, Davis' annual averages were 45.7 yards, 44.1 yards, 45.4 yards, 45.6 yards, 45.4 yards, 45.6 yards and 45.8 yards. Ray Guy had only one season with an average higher than 43.8 yards. Out of the top 215 averages in NFL history (since 1939), Guy had ONE -- tied for 69th. Davis had six of the top 68.
By the way, McBriar's average this year (48.2) was sixth all-time.
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My prediction: This will be a history making year. All six enshrinees will be nothing but former Cowboys. Commish Goodell announces he is righting all the past wrongs done to those players and is finally giving me their just due. Because of the level former Cowboys have been overlooked in the past Goodell also announces he may do the same next year. Former commish Tags is instantly put on suicide watch.
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AdamJT13;1355211 said:
You bring up a great point Adam. I think the case against Davis was:
1. He was overshadowed by Yale Lary throughout the early part of his career and only led the league in punting average twice in his career. Lary is in the HoF already but mostly as a DB but he was a great punter and return man as well.
2. He played for some weak 49ERs teams and that tends to get you less noticed.
3. He stopped punting in 1967 and was strictly the kicker (although he did punt some in 1969) so his career stats as a punter are much less than some others.
To me, the fact that he was a kicker as well as a punter should give him an edge. His 99.4% accuracy on XPs stood as the best ever until Jason Elam surpassed him recently but only barely. Davis hit 348 out of 350 for a 99.428% while Elam has hit 534 out of 537 for a 99.441%. The point is, the guy only missed 2 out of 350 attempts and those were probably blocked or the snap bobbled.
The problem with Davis as a kicker is that he doesn't have enough FGs or points to compare favorably with the greatest kickers. He only had 130 out of 276 for a paltry (now) 47.1%. Back in his day that wasn't too bad but when compared with modern kickers it is terrible.
I believe Davis was a great player and has been overlooked by the fans and media but I doubt he will ever get serious consideration. He is 3rd all-time in career punting average with 44.68, behind Shane Lechler 45.85 (who will likely drop as he ages) and Sammy Baugh 45.10.
Ray Guy had the reputation based on his amazing "hang-time" and has twice as many punts as Davis (1052 to 511). He played for a winning team that was always in the spotlight whereas Davis played mostly in obscurity for a poor team.
I don't know if Ray Guy will get in because one-dimensional players, no matter how good, will take a backseat to players who were on the field a lot.
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big dog cowboy;1355214 said:
That would really be nice, too bad the HoF isn't run by the league but is a private, non-profit organization with no affiliation with the NFL.
From the HoF website:
Goodell has no control over who is or who is not enshrined. It is up to the morons who make up the selection committee, a group of mediots representing each NFL city as well as a couple of "at large" schmucks.
Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted. The Cowboys won't see a lot of our great players enshrined until the HoF changes its committee structure.
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No Art Monk? take the cowboys glasses off and look what he did with who he had on that teams
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the kid 05;1355296 said:
Monk should have been in a long time ago but the longer he goes the less impressive his numbers look.
Art played in 15 playoff games and had: 69 receptions, 1062 yards, 7 TDs, and 4 100+ yard games. Very good numbers but not awesome. Monk was very steady and had a lot of receptions but his stats just don't inspire awe like Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, or Chris Carter.
Had he been inducted when he should have been he would have looked a lot better but with the way WRs are putting up numbers now he has less and less of a chance to get in.
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The problem with Monk is he was never viewed as a "dominant" WR that took games over, even though he had longevity and was a very good, steady WR, but remember as long as he played Monk only made 3 Pro Bowls......that said, I think he gets in this year:
Bruce Matthews
Michael Irvin
Charlie Sanders
Thurman Thomas
Art Monk
Paul Tagliabue
Bruce Matthews
Michael Irvin
Charlie Sanders
Thurman Thomas
Art Monk
Paul Tagliabue
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should be
- WR Bob Hayes
- WR Michael Irvin
- WR Drew Pearson
- OL Ralph Neely
- OL Larry Allen
- DE Ed Jones
- DE Harvey Martin
- LB Chuck Howley
- CB Cornell Green
- CB Everson Walls
- S Charlie Waters
- S Cliff Harris
- S Darren Woodson
- DL Bob Lilly
- DL Randy White
- RB Tony Dorsett
- QB Roger Staubach
- QB Troy Aikman
- OL Rayfield Wright
- CB Mel Renfro
- Tom Landry
- Tex Schramm
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Biggems;1355315 said:
No real problem with the list although I don't think a few of them are HOF worthy, but if this is the order in which you think they should be considered, Chuck Howley should be way higher on that list, so should Cliff Harris.