My Concern with this team

[thunderpimp91]

They are living in the past with buzzwords
Not one single team uses true bpa early in the draft and hasn’t since the 70s

Now you definitely don’t want to get locked into a single positional need and reach in the draft … which we have arguably done before with picks like Taco Charlton

I would argue that Philly does in recent years. Yes there are a few positions they are going to narrow it down to, but having Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, and (I think he was still on the roster?) Fletcher Cox they still went and got Jalen Carter. They had just paid Wentz, but still took Hurts round 2. Even last year a lot of people had them going OT or Edge early but went DB back to back. Granted that was still a need, but I dont think any one expect them to go DB both round 1 and 2.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but Philly seems to have zero fear taking the best player on their board if they fall.

 

[HungryLion]

Trying to get a championship by draft picks and bottom rung free agents is something they've been trying the last 10+ years compared to most of the NFL teams

Why they choose to continue down this failing route is beyond most of us and the sports media as well.

My guess is hubris.

 

[plasticman]

No it wasn't. The philosophy was a "before it's time" computer system. None of that BPA draft philosophy horse doodoo.

Why in the world are you guys so obsessed w/ spitting out BPA BPA BPA every draft? It's a terrible philosophy that no one uses before the 4th round.

What do you think was the purpose of this "before it's time" computer system? It ranked the players and was the tool the Cowboys used almost exclusively to make their picks. This took any emotionally charged opinions out of the formula.

If you disagree then how would you explain the pattern of picks I listed on my previous post?

I mean, they draft a RB in 1969 from Yale in the 1st round. He becomes the OROY. So they draft a RB in the 1st round in 1979, the following season?

They decide they could use another RB in the 1966 draft? So do you think it was a human decision to draft RBs in 6 of the next 8 picks including 4 in a row?

The only time i ever heard of the Cowboys not taking BPA was the 3rd round of the 1979 draft,

They determined that the BPA was a quarterback and they really needed a TE. They were satisfied with the quarterbacks they had which was Roger Staubach, Danny White, and their 1977 2nd round pick, Glen Carrano.

Ironically, Staubach would announce his surprise retirement after the season, citing a dangerous amount of concussions.

In the meantime, there was a falling out between Tex Schram and their 1978 2nd round draft pick, FB Todd Christiansen, who had refused to convert to TE and was waived.

Therefore, the Cowboys made the decision to bypass the BPA, a QB, and selected the next guy, TE Doug Cosbie.

Two selections later, Joe Montana went to the 49ers.

 

[kskboys]

What do you think was the purpose of this "before it's time" computer system? It ranked the players and was the tool the Cowboys used almost exclusively to make their picks. This took any emotionally charged opinions out of the formula.

If you disagree then how would you explain the pattern of picks I listed on my previous post?

I mean, they draft a RB in 1969 from Yale in the 1st round. He becomes the OROY. So they draft a RB in the 1st round in 1979, the following season?

They decide they could use another RB in the 1966 draft? So do you think it was a human decision to draft RBs in 6 of the next 8 picks including 4 in a row?

The only time i ever heard of the Cowboys not taking BPA was the 3rd round of the 1979 draft,

They determined that the BPA was a quarterback and they really needed a TE. They were satisfied with the quarterbacks they had which was Roger Staubach, Danny White, and their 1977 2nd round pick, Glen Carrano.

Ironically, Staubach would announce his surprise retirement after the season, citing a dangerous amount of concussions.

In the meantime, there was a falling out between Tex Schram and their 1978 2nd round draft pick, FB Todd Christiansen, who had refused to convert to TE and was waived.

Therefore, the Cowboys made the decision to bypass the BPA, a QB, and selected the next guy, TE Doug Cosbie.

Two selections later, Joe Montana went to the 49ers.

They never use BPA as a draft strategy. That's simply a fan buzzword. No team is dumb enough to draft that way. And that's assuming there even is a BPA. Most draft slots have several players rated around the same.

 

[kskboys]

What do you think was the purpose of this "before it's time" computer system? It ranked the players and was the tool the Cowboys used almost exclusively to make their picks. This took any emotionally charged opinions out of the formula.

If you disagree then how would you explain the pattern of picks I listed on my previous post?

I mean, they draft a RB in 1969 from Yale in the 1st round. He becomes the OROY. So they draft a RB in the 1st round in 1979, the following season?

They decide they could use another RB in the 1966 draft? So do you think it was a human decision to draft RBs in 6 of the next 8 picks including 4 in a row?

The only time i ever heard of the Cowboys not taking BPA was the 3rd round of the 1979 draft,

They determined that the BPA was a quarterback and they really needed a TE. They were satisfied with the quarterbacks they had which was Roger Staubach, Danny White, and their 1977 2nd round pick, Glen Carrano.

Ironically, Staubach would announce his surprise retirement after the season, citing a dangerous amount of concussions.

In the meantime, there was a falling out between Tex Schram and their 1978 2nd round draft pick, FB Todd Christiansen, who had refused to convert to TE and was waived.

Therefore, the Cowboys made the decision to bypass the BPA, a QB, and selected the next guy, TE Doug Cosbie.

Two selections later, Joe Montana went to the 49ers.

They never use BPA as a draft strategy. That's simply a fan buzzword. No team is dumb enough to draft that way. And that's assuming there even is a BPA. Most draft slots have several players rated around the same.

I would think that the computer kicked out the BPA's lol
It was all schools, not just the big ones.

Nope. Still not BPA.

 

[plasticman]

They never use BPA as a draft strategy. That's simply a fan buzzword. No team is dumb enough to draft that way. And that's assuming there even is a BPA. Most draft slots have several players rated around the same.

Nope. Still not BPA.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/b...mm-Gil,two, three or four years down the road.

"In the 1970s during the Tom Landry-Tex Schramm-Gil Brandt era, America's Team got credit for the phrase "best available athlete" during the NFL draft.

The idea was Dallas took a player who might not be an immediate need because they were thinking two, three or four years down the road."

 

[kskboys]

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/best-player-available-or-meeting-need-for-bears#:~:text=In the 1970s during the Tom Landry-Tex Schramm-Gil,two, three or four years down the road.

"In the 1970s during the Tom Landry-Tex Schramm-Gil Brandt era, America's Team got credit for the phrase "best available athlete" during the NFL draft.

The idea was Dallas took a player who might not be an immediate need because they were thinking two, three or four years down the road."

Doesn't translate to BPA.

 

[goshann]

I would argue that Philly does in recent years. Yes there are a few positions they are going to narrow it down to, but having Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, and (I think he was still on the roster?) Fletcher Cox they still went and got Jalen Carter. They had just paid Wentz, but still took Hurts round 2. Even last year a lot of people had them going OT or Edge early but went DB back to back. Granted that was still a need, but I dont think any one expect them to go DB both round 1 and 2.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but Philly seems to have zero fear taking the best player on their board if they fall.

You just made my point
‘There are a few positions they are going to narrow it down to’
Teams identify the top positional needs and should be taking BPA within those positional needs (not one need which is how reaches happen)

But positional needs are at the top of the hierarchy in terms of draft strategy, and has been for every single team for decades

 

[thunderpimp91]

You just made my point
‘There are a few positions they are going to narrow it down to’
Teams identify the top positional needs and should be taking BPA within those positional needs (not one need which is how reaches happen)

But positional needs are at the top of the hierarchy in terms of draft strategy, and has been for every single team for decades

If you're going to take BPA 100% literal then sure I guess. Typically it's BPA combined with positional need, and that is going to be very fluid team to team. Some are locked into "we need a qb this year". Others are going to be more BPA is 75% of the equation, positional need 25%. I think Philly is one like that. They would not have taken DT had it not been the best player on their board in Jalen Carter. Not sure if it was the same year or the year before but they went Jurgens round 2. Not the biggest need at the time given they had maybe the best Center in the league. Green Bay didn't go with their biggest positional need in taking Jordan Love....same with when they took Rodgers.

 

[ArtClink]

There should really only be one concern. Our front office is run by morons.

This. Fix the gigantic hole in the ship and then worry about the other stuff.

 

[kskboys]

I would argue that Philly does in recent years. Yes there are a few positions they are going to narrow it down to, but having Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, and (I think he was still on the roster?) Fletcher Cox they still went and got Jalen Carter. They had just paid Wentz, but still took Hurts round 2. Even last year a lot of people had them going OT or Edge early but went DB back to back. Granted that was still a need, but I dont think any one expect them to go DB both round 1 and 2.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but Philly seems to have zero fear taking the best player on their board if they fall.

That's not BPA drafting. In Carter they saw a top 3 talent sliding due to off field stuff and so traded up to get him.

Hurts was considered a 4th round prospect. He was a reach, not close to BPA.

DB was far and away their biggest need. Pure needs drafting. Mitchell was rated as a late 1st, so they even overdrafted him a bit.

Cooper DeJean was rated in the 1st, guess you can call that BPA, but it was also a huge needs pick.

Honestly, no one drafts using one single weak strategy. Any GM would get fired doing that. Well, almost any.

 

[kskboys]

If you're going to take BPA 100% literal then sure I guess. Typically it's BPA combined with positional need, and that is going to be very fluid team to team. Some are locked into "we need a qb this year". Others are going to be more BPA is 75% of the equation, positional need 25%. I think Philly is one like that. They would not have taken DT had it not been the best player on their board in Jalen Carter. Not sure if it was the same year or the year before but they went Jurgens round 2. Not the biggest need at the time given they had maybe the best Center in the league. Green Bay didn't go with their biggest positional need in taking Jordan Love....same with when they took Rodgers.

Neither. That's just fan blather. There is so incredibly much that goes into drafting that you cannot label it one single thing.

I admit, it's quite annoying to me to see fans scream BPA all the time when that's not how you draft. Hey, if you want to say quit reaching for need, I get it and I agree.

No telling how/why Jerry drafts players.

 

[Spottswoode]

That's not BPA drafting. In Carter they saw a top 3 talent sliding due to off field stuff and so traded up to get him.

Hurts was considered a 4th round prospect. He was a reach, not close to BPA.

DB was far and away their biggest need. Pure needs drafting. Mitchell was rated as a late 1st, so they even overdrafted him a bit.

Cooper DeJean was rated in the 1st, guess you can call that BPA, but it was also a huge needs pick.

Honestly, no one drafts using one single weak strategy. Any GM would get fired doing that. Well, almost any.

The problem is people want to use extremes to try to make a point. I don’t think most people suggest that teams draft using only 1 strategy (BPA) in a vacuum. There are obviously a number of factors at play and BPA is one. And as was said before, I’m sure weightings vary depending on the situation.

People talk about whether a player was a reach when they are only going by the rankings of some internet draft people. We have no way to know whether someone like Mitchel was overdrafted because we don’t know where the team had him ranked. These teams spend 1000’s of hours of due diligence and we want to give these internet draft guru’s the same degree of credit when it comes to player rankings.

And it’s hard to suggest Jalen Hurts was a reach when he is likely a top 10 pick in a re-draft. Quite a value in hindsight…credit to Philly for seeing something in him that many missed.

 

[conner01]

This team is one of the most void of talent in the last few years. Missing on both Mazi and Guyton in the 1st rounds really compounds their lack of top tier free agent activity. While the hiring of BS was suspect they actually did a decent job carefully selecting some of his assistants. Can they make an impact on game day? That is what remains to be seen.

Too early to say we missed on Guyton

 

[conner01]

Mingo is a phenom.

Minho’s price was phenomenal. He sure hasn’t been

 

[cowboyec]

rb.
dt.
they were my concern going into the off-season...still are.

de and cb also have my attention.

 

[kskboys]

The problem is people want to use extremes to try to make a point. I don’t think most people suggest that teams draft using only 1 strategy (BPA) in a vacuum. There are obviously a number of factors at play and BPA is one. And as was said before, I’m sure weightings vary depending on the situation.

People talk about whether a player was a reach when they are only going by the rankings of some internet draft people. We have no way to know whether someone like Mitchel was overdrafted because we don’t know where the team had him ranked. These teams spend 1000’s of hours of due diligence and we want to give these internet draft guru’s the same degree of credit when it comes to player rankings.

And it’s hard to suggest Jalen Hurts was a reach when he is likely a top 10 pick in a re-draft. Quite a value in hindsight…credit to Philly for seeing something in him that many missed.

Using hindsight changes this entire conversation. If someone was considered a reach where they were drafted but they turn out to be really good, that doesn't change the fact that they were considered a reach at the time.

 

[Spottswoode]

Using hindsight changes this entire conversation. If someone was considered a reach where they were drafted but they turn out to be really good, that doesn't change the fact that they were considered a reach at the time.

Considered a reach by who? I got $100 that the people in the Philly draft room didn’t think he was a reach. The draft guru’s and your opinion is irrelevant to them.

 

[Chasing6]

My concern is the same front office steering the ship into the same ice berg for the 30th consecutive time.

They occasionally aim for different icebergs.

 

[StuckMojo]

Taco was BPA. Mazi was BPA. Now what?

Then need a new scouting department if they had them ranked like that