My Dak Prescott thread

[CouchCoach]

I am sorry but I was feeling left out without one but mine is simple and does not discuss his talent, or lack of, or actually his worth at this point. It is about one thing, getting this done for this season, if there is one.

I would have used the transition tag to start with to let his agent establish value among the teams and still had the option to meet, or exceed that, but I think they feared a no show because the lack of respect. Respect to pro athletes is all about the money.

Since that wasn't done, I would do the next best thing and remove the offer from the table and shelve negotiations until after this season is concluded.

That would give me this year at 31.4M, less than the 35M reported, and the option of negotiating a new 4 year deal which by simple math gives me the 5 year deal I want and the only risk I run is that he played better and the price goes up. What a wonderful risk because that gives me what I want, a top 10 QB and it really doesn't matter what I have to pay him because I have my guy.

I get to see him with his new HC for a year, the second year with his OC and an offense built to win a championship with stars aplenty.

Right now, life after this year is holding everything up and this is a year to year league so leave the tag and leave all of this in the player and his agent's court. The offer is there, 31.4M to play for the Cowboys for 1 year. Don't show up and watch those endorsements start to drop.

The other thing this accomplishes is to establish the dog might start wagging the tail in negotiations instead of the reverse because this cannot continue. There is not a successful team capitulating to every star player because they can't stand to say goodbye. In fact, the most successful one throughout the cap era doesn't even allow themselves to get in this position. They leave no doubt as to who runs the club and it isn't the stars.

Then again, not one of these other 31 teams negotiates through the media.

 

[Corso]

Thank you for playing.

 

[CouchCoach]

Thank you for playing.

But not getting along well with others?

 

[jterrell]

The Cowboys gave Zeke what he wanted eventually and did sane with DLaw.
Anyone watching knows in the end Dak will get the money he wants.

Dallas has no power here at all and only gets to decide when to pay Dak is 30+M per year.
He is going to get the money.

Dallas is really looking at 3 options.
1. Let him play out the Tag year, then tag him again.
2. Sign him long term by mid July.
3. Revoke the tag and let him walk for zero return.

If they choose 1.
They get follow up options.
1a: Tag him again (which he could immediately sign at 39M GTD) and try to trade him
1b: Tag him again and try to extend him with 39M GTD in 2021 alone as the floor.
1c: Agree to deal after July but before next calendar season.
1d: Let him go to Free Agency and get an R3 in the draft a year later.

 

[DFWJC]

The Cowboys gave Zeke what he wanted eventually and did sane with DLaw.
Anyone watching knows in the end Dak will get the money he wants.

Dallas has no power here at all and only gets to decide when to pay Dak is 30+M per year.
He is going to get the money.

Dallas is really looking at 3 options.
1. Let him play out the Tag year, then tag him again.
2. Sign him long term by mid July.
3. Revoke the tag and let him walk for zero return.

If they choose 1.
They get follow up options.
1a: Tag him again (which he could immediately sign at 39M GTD) and try to trade him
1b: Tag him again and try to extend him with 39M GTD in 2021 alone as the floor.
1c: Agree to deal after July but before next calendar season.
1d: Let him go to Free Agency and get an R3 in the draft a year later.

I'm told that both Cooper and Zeke compromised some on their deals.
Still got a ton, but not the full ask price.

I assume/Dak has come down at least some, but don't know that

 

[jterrell]

I'm told that both Cooper and Zeke compromised some on their deals.
Still got a ton, but not the full ask price.

I assume/Dak has come down at least some, but don't know that

I'm not sure how you compromise on 4 or 5 years.
It is one or the other.
Could they lop off 1m per year and do 4 years?
OK. But I don't see that as being what DAL actually wants.
1m a year really doesn't mean much.
And I doubt they even offered less than 32.5M 6 months ago.

That's the thing they are not at all far apart but they are hung up on years and years leave little wiggle room.

Right now there really know pressure on either side.
Dak is missing what some Zoom calls?
Training camp almost always starts right after the franchise tag deadline.
So mid-July is really all there is to force compromise.

 

[Bobhaze]

I am sorry but I was feeling left out without one but mine is simple and does not discuss his talent, or lack of, or actually his worth at this point. It is about one thing, getting this done for this season, if there is one.

I would have used the transition tag to start with to let his agent establish value among the teams and still had the option to meet, or exceed that, but I think they feared a no show because the lack of respect. Respect to pro athletes is all about the money.

Since that wasn't done, I would do the next best thing and remove the offer from the table and shelve negotiations until after this season is concluded.

That would give me this year at 31.4M, less than the 35M reported, and the option of negotiating a new 4 year deal which by simple math gives me the 5 year deal I want and the only risk I run is that he played better and the price goes up. What a wonderful risk because that gives me what I want, a top 10 QB and it really doesn't matter what I have to pay him because I have my guy.

I get to see him with his new HC for a year, the second year with his OC and an offense built to win a championship with stars aplenty.

Right now, life after this year is holding everything up and this is a year to year league so leave the tag and leave all of this in the player and his agent's court. The offer is there, 31.4M to play for the Cowboys for 1 year. Don't show up and watch those endorsements start to drop.

The other thing this accomplishes is to establish the dog might start wagging the tail in negotiations instead of the reverse because this cannot continue. There is not a successful team capitulating to every star player because they can't stand to say goodbye. In fact, the most successful one throughout the cap era doesn't even allow themselves to get in this position. They leave no doubt as to who runs the club and it isn't the stars.

Then again, not one of these other 31 teams negotiates through the media.

Good post buddy.

The Jones boys have a heroin-like addiction to the press and somehow have convinced themselves that they are “tough” negotiators. Their actual perception among most agents are more the pushover variety. I’m hard pressed to remember in recent years a second contract negotiation with a big star where Jerry played “hardball” and won. Maybe I’m forgetting someone. In my experience, the best, toughest negotiators are the ones who never talk publicly.

The Jones boys are like the rich kids who publicly brag all the time about how smart or tough they are while everyone laughs behind their backs about what they really are. When it comes to making money, Jerry is another Howard Hughes, with the Midas touch. When it comes to building a winner on the football field, Jerry is more like Moe Howard.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not sure how you compromise on 4 or 5 years.
It is one or the other.
Could they lop off 1m per year and do 4 years?
OK. But I don't see that as being what DAL actually wants.
1m a year really doesn't mean much.
And I doubt they even offered less than 32.5M 6 months ago.

That's the thing they are not at all far apart but they are hung up on years and years leave little wiggle room.

Right now there really know pressure on either side.
Dak is missing what some Zoom calls?
Training camp almost always starts right after the franchise tag deadline.
So mid-July is really all there is to force compromise.

I suspect its also the guaranteed money, jt.
I'm thinking Dak's camp wants the same guaranteed money Dallas is offering (say 105-110) but for 4 years.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'm told that both Cooper and Zeke compromised some on their deals.
Still got a ton, but not the full ask price.

I assume/Dak has come down at least some, but don't know that

Heard the same but they started out above the pain threshold and knew settling on the lesser amount, which was the target amount from the get go, would be more amenable to the Joneses. Make it appear that they didn't get over on them, which is exactly what they did.

But every agent knows the MO of the Joneses is dealing with stars and they know to play the waiting game. They also know they can get more from them than any other owner. NE didn't even try to tag a DE as good as Lawrence because they weren't going to even pay the tag amount.

Poker players look for the tell from other players just like agents know how to deal with, or whether they can deal with, management of certain teams. They also understand the ego involved with the Joneses re-signing one of their own plums as opposed to FA's. Booger gets bragging rights about Lawrence and Prescott and even Elliott because the smart money said no RB's in the 1st round.

The Elliott situation was the Joneses tell because they went where no team had gone before, got into a stare down with the player and even went so far to draft a RB and feature him in the preseason and open some eyes and still capitulated in the end. They did everything right except crater in the end.

Booger would make an awful cattle rancher, he'd be naming the cows.

 

[cern]

I believe there would have been players had the transition tag been used. The history of the NFL is replete with those willing to overpay for the services of a player. Same for mlb and the nba. It would have been interesting.

 

[CouchCoach]

Good post buddy.

The Jones boys have a heroin-like addiction to the press and somehow have convinced themselves that they are “tough” negotiators. Their actual perception among most agents are more the pushover variety. I’m hard pressed to remember in recent years a second contract negotiation with a big star where Jerry played “hardball” and won. Maybe I’m forgetting someone. In my experience, the best, toughest negotiators are the ones who never talk publicly.

The Jones boys are like the rich kids who publicly brag all the time about how smart or tough they are while everyone laughs behind their backs about what they really are. When it comes to making money, Jerry is another Howard Hughes, with the Midas touch. When it comes to building a winner on the football field, Jerry is more like Moe Howard.

They never learn from watching others that have proven they know more about cap era football than the Joneses, who have not seemed to learn anything.

The Niners gave them a lesson early on with Montana, Rice and Lott, superstars greater than any the Cowboys have had since Jones has owned the team. Think it didn't take some strong self discipline to carry that through? The Joneses don't have that.

The lesson NE has been trying to teach them got a bonus with one with their lack of "laying the game" with the GOAT QB. The owner taught them with his comment about that QB's last contract, "Tom didn't have much choice". Meaning it was their way or the highway, they run the team, not any player(s) and everyone is expendable.

They don't even realize that just keeping the tag and not going any further this year is in their own best interest. Because you can lay it all on one thing, nothing bad happens even if they make the worst decision. The money just keeps coming in and the coverage continues. We're the dummies for thinking this is ever going to change.

 

[CouchCoach]

I believe there would have been players had the transition tag been used. The history of the NFL is replete with those willing to overpay for the services of a player. Same for mlb and the nba. It would have been interesting.

Yep, sure would have and I wanted that just to see what his value really was. And they would have had the option of matching or getting 2 1sts. They match and the fans can only get pissed at them keeping him, not what they're paying him.

Now, put those 2 1sts with theirs in 2021 and they're a player in the Lawrence sweepstakes and they could have gone through this year with Dalton, Newton or even Bridgewater and been able to let Lawrence grow in the game.

 

[CouchCoach]

They never learn from watching others that have proven they know more about cap era football than the Joneses, who have not seemed to learn anything.

The Niners gave them a lesson early on with Montana, Rice and Lott, superstars greater than any the Cowboys have had since Jones has owned the team. Think it didn't take some strong self discipline to carry that through? The Joneses don't have that.

The lesson NE has been trying to teach them got a bonus with one with their lack of "laying the game" with the GOAT QB. The owner taught them with his comment about that QB's last contract, "Tom didn't have much choice". Meaning it was their way or the highway, they run the team, not any player(s) and everyone is expendable.

They don't even realize that just keeping the tag and not going any further this year is in their own best interest. Because you can lay it all on one thing, nothing bad happens even if they make the worst decision. The money just keeps coming in and the coverage continues. We're the dummies for thinking this is ever going to change.

Somebody, oh just anybody, wanna tell me why I got a pink laugh face in the place of my p?

 

[cern]

Yep, sure would have and I wanted that just to see what his value really was. And they would have had the option of matching or getting 2 1sts. They match and the fans can only get pissed at them keeping him, not what they're paying him.

Now, put those 2 1sts with theirs in 2021 and they're a player in the Lawrence sweepstakes and they could have gone through this year with Dalton, Newton or even Bridgewater and been able to let Lawrence grow in the game.

In the nfl, value is often more a matter of perception than reality. The vikes thought cousins would be the one missing ingredient. But so far, no big dance. Goff had a good year followed by an average. David carr went from savior to disfavor. I don't know what dak's worth, but it's less than he's asking.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The other side of your theory.........one thing for sure, ALL pieces are in place for him to have a career type of year. We know what then happens to his nego after one year on the tag. Kinda damn if do or a damn if you don't........

Teams who have great quarterbacks shouldn’t wait to pay them
Posted by Mike Florio on May 11, 2020, 10:42 AM EDT

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...great-quarterbacks-shouldnt-wait-to-pay-them/

The recent explosion in quarterback contracts has made one dynamic incredibly clear: The longer a team waits to pay a quarterback, the more expensive it will be.

That’s what the Cowboys currently are facing with Dak Prescott, a fourth-round pick in 2016 who has started 64 of 64 regular-season games and who now carries a franchise tender with a value of $31.4 million for 2020. The Cowboys want to pay him, they’ve tried to pay him, and the inability to get him paid has made the contract more and more and more expensive

 

[Proof]

The Cowboys gave Zeke what he wanted eventually and did sane with DLaw.
Anyone watching knows in the end Dak will get the money he wants.

Dallas has no power here at all and only gets to decide when to pay Dak is 30+M per year.
He is going to get the money.

Dallas is really looking at 3 options.
1. Let him play out the Tag year, then tag him again.
2. Sign him long term by mid July.
3. Revoke the tag and let him walk for zero return.

If they choose 1.
They get follow up options.
1a: Tag him again (which he could immediately sign at 39M GTD) and try to trade him
1b: Tag him again and try to extend him with 39M GTD in 2021 alone as the floor.
1c: Agree to deal after July but before next calendar season.
1d: Let him go to Free Agency and get an R3 in the draft a year later.

basically. Dalton is this years “Zeke who?”

 

[cern]

Sometimes a line must be drawn in the sand.

 

[Williamsboys]

What is really confusing me now is I thought what both sides disagreed with the"term" but when Li'l Stevie Jones opened his mouth about what percentage of the salary cap Dak should and shouldnt get, That sounds like he's refverring to the money. No I am not the biggest Dak fan, but both sides should really get this situation settled soon, as fans are anticipating big things from this team.

 

[Corso]

What is really confusing me now is I thought what both sides disagreed with the"term" but when Li'l Stevie Jones opened his mouth about what percentage of the salary cap Dak should and shouldnt get, That sounds like he's refverring to the money. No I am not the biggest Dak fan, but both sides should really get this situation settled soon, as fans are anticipating big things from this team.

July boss. July.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I am sorry but I was feeling left out without one but mine is simple and does not discuss his talent, or lack of, or actually his worth at this point. It is about one thing, getting this done for this season, if there is one.

I would have used the transition tag to start with to let his agent establish value among the teams and still had the option to meet, or exceed that, but I think they feared a no show because the lack of respect. Respect to pro athletes is all about the money.

Since that wasn't done, I would do the next best thing and remove the offer from the table and shelve negotiations until after this season is concluded.

That would give me this year at 31.4M, less than the 35M reported, and the option of negotiating a new 4 year deal which by simple math gives me the 5 year deal I want and the only risk I run is that he played better and the price goes up. What a wonderful risk because that gives me what I want, a top 10 QB and it really doesn't matter what I have to pay him because I have my guy.

I get to see him with his new HC for a year, the second year with his OC and an offense built to win a championship with stars aplenty.

Right now, life after this year is holding everything up and this is a year to year league so leave the tag and leave all of this in the player and his agent's court. The offer is there, 31.4M to play for the Cowboys for 1 year. Don't show up and watch those endorsements start to drop.

The other thing this accomplishes is to establish the dog might start wagging the tail in negotiations instead of the reverse because this cannot continue. There is not a successful team capitulating to every star player because they can't stand to say goodbye. In fact, the most successful one throughout the cap era doesn't even allow themselves to get in this position. They leave no doubt as to who runs the club and it isn't the stars.

Then again, not one of these other 31 teams negotiates through the media.

CC, I love you big bro, but if Jerry ever pulled this crap against Romo (TWICE big contracts), you Romosexuals from the old boards would have gone ape crazy.