My First Round Pick...

[KDWilliams85]

Despite all the accolades that an OT is this pick's immediate future, I strongly disagree. While it is a need, no doubt, it has been demonstrated that the offense can be successful with a questionable front five. Having said that, at #18, I think the Cowboys select:

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

If his comparison to Terry Glenn holds par, the Cowboys get a steal on offense. Even in Terry's aging state, he has proven time and time again that he can be effective and downright nasty. So, imagine if we had two Terry's? You couldn't double team one because that would leave the other exposed. Besides, we still have Keyshawn and he can break one for a big gain. I don't believe Crayton is our future lead receiver and there isn't much behind him. Holmes does add a cloner's mentality to the deep threat. Terry Glenn and Santonio Holmes are one-in-the-same in that aspect and would cause some coverage mishaps. With very little speed currently on the team, it would make sense that they pick him.

Not to mention that I've been a fan since the Texas-Ohio State game.

Anyway, feel free to criticize.

 

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Meh, for some reason I dont see us drafting offense in the first. Im not really sold on holmes I would much rather go after ginn in the following draft if he decides to come out.

 

[Clove]

I think the only way we draft Holmes or any other receiver in the 1st round, is if he's planning on playing a whole lot this season. I mean playing significant minutes from day 1.

 

[austintodallas]

I think the only way we draft Holmes or any other receiver in the 1st round, is if he's planning on playing a whole lot this season. I mean playing significant minutes from day 1.

I agree. I am contiuously baffled by the amount of people who feel like we will or should draft a WR with our 1st pick.

Barring injury there is no way anyone but Keyshawn/Glenn/Crayton starts for this team in 2006, especially not a rookie.

We need players that will impact this team now if we are to make a Superbowl run.

Give me a couple big nasty LB's and a Safety. Finish this defense.

 

[Qwickdraw]

I wonder if Holmes is actually the best WR in the draft.

I like a handful of others, myself.

 

[SALADIN]

I wonder if Holmes is actually the best WR in the draft.

I like a handful of others, myself.

Best WR in this draft isn't sayin' much.

Hell, I'd be in the top 20.

 

[Hostile]

Despite all the accolades that an OT is this pick's immediate future, I strongly disagree. While it is a need, no doubt, it has been demonstrated that the offense can be successful with a questionable front five. Having said that, at #18, I think the Cowboys select:

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

If his comparison to Terry Glenn holds par, the Cowboys get a steal on offense. Even in Terry's aging state, he has proven time and time again that he can be effective and downright nasty. So, imagine if we had two Terry's? You couldn't double team one because that would leave the other exposed. Besides, we still have Keyshawn and he can break one for a big gain. I don't believe Crayton is our future lead receiver and there isn't much behind him. Holmes does add a cloner's mentality to the deep threat. Terry Glenn and Santonio Holmes are one-in-the-same in that aspect and would cause some coverage mishaps. With very little speed currently on the team, it would make sense that they pick him.

Not to mention that I've been a fan since the Texas-Ohio State game.

Anyway, feel free to criticize.

I believe I will.

How much playing time do you give him in 2006? Do you unload Key or Glenn? Do you push Crayton aside? Now, consider this PT you're going to give him.

How does that balance against the fact BP wants a run first ball control offense?

How much impact can he possibly make?

How many wins over 9 does that translate to?

You see, I don't see where drafting a WR as our top need or option helps us get much better if at all.

I want to get better and I want to win. A WR at 18 just doesn't give me any confidence we can accomplish that. On top of that he isn't so good he's a difference maker and I happen to like him. We can address WR in the 3rd and get just as much production.

Win now. WR isn't the answer at 18.

 

[Hostile]

Best WR in this draft isn't sayin' much.

Hell, I'd be in the top 20.

Naw, jumping out of windows isn't a WR route yet.

 

[neosapien23]

Despite all the accolades that an OT is this pick's immediate future, I strongly disagree. While it is a need, no doubt, it has been demonstrated that the offense can be successful with a questionable front five. Having said that, at #18, I think the Cowboys select:

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State

If his comparison to Terry Glenn holds par, the Cowboys get a steal on offense. Even in Terry's aging state, he has proven time and time again that he can be effective and downright nasty. So, imagine if we had two Terry's? You couldn't double team one because that would leave the other exposed. Besides, we still have Keyshawn and he can break one for a big gain. I don't believe Crayton is our future lead receiver and there isn't much behind him. Holmes does add a cloner's mentality to the deep threat. Terry Glenn and Santonio Holmes are one-in-the-same in that aspect and would cause some coverage mishaps. With very little speed currently on the team, it would make sense that they pick him.

Not to mention that I've been a fan since the Texas-Ohio State game.

Anyway, feel free to criticize.

I would not mind that pick at all, but I don't think Holmes will be there. Philly is going to be all over him like Mike Tyson at beauty pageant. Miami is another possibility.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I believe I will.

How much playing time do you give him in 2006? Do you unload Key or Glenn? Do you push Crayton aside? Now, consider this PT you're going to give him.

How does that balance against the fact BP wants a run first ball control offense?

How much impact can he possibly make?

How many wins over 9 does that translate to?

You see, I don't see where drafting a WR as our top need or option helps us get much better if at all.

I want to get better and I want to win. A WR at 18 just doesn't give me any confidence we can accomplish that. On top of that he isn't so good he's a difference maker and I happen to like him. We can address WR in the 3rd and get just as much production.

Win now. WR isn't the answer at 18.

Valued criticism, old friend. You do make solid points about playing time and winning now is an objective, but whole idea of the draft is to build now for a better future. Don't get me wrong, Key and Terry were outstanding acquisitions but even you have to admit that there isn't much in the tank for the both of them.

I'm not saying Holmes is our answer. I'm saying that he could balance the offensive equation while guys next year could be the answer. If I wanted an answer now, I would ***** Reggie Bush because I don't think Julius has the longevity. Think of him being like John Abraham from the Jets. He's got the skills but he's proven to be an injury liability.

But back to the point of playing time, I think Holmes could beat out Crayton. A year in the slot would prep him for battle next season. That way, when Key and Terry step down together (That's a prediction.), Holmes, Crayton, and whoever they draft next year could be a trifecta in the WR corps. Bledsoe may still be around but I'm not too sure. So, with Bledsoe's apprentice in the wings, you'd have a young offense. Defensive powerhouses are by nature aged so it isn't necessarily a priority NOW, but in the 2007-2009 drafts, it will be heavy on the defense. Just like last year...

Anyway, take it or leave it. It's your choice. I did feel like I owed you an explanation, Hos.

 

[Sasquatch]

Valued criticism, old friend. You do make solid points about playing time and winning now is an objective, but whole idea of the draft is to build now for a better future. Don't get me wrong, Key and Terry were outstanding acquisitions but even you have to admit that there isn't much in the tank for the both of them.

I'm not saying Holmes is our answer. I'm saying that he could balance the offensive equation while guys next year could be the answer. If I wanted an answer now, I would ***** Reggie Bush because I don't think Julius has the longevity. Think of him being like John Abraham from the Jets. He's got the skills but he's proven to be an injury liability.

But back to the point of playing time, I think Holmes could beat out Crayton. A year in the slot would prep him for battle next season. That way, when Key and Terry step down together (That's a prediction.), Holmes, Crayton, and whoever they draft next year could be a trifecta in the WR corps. Bledsoe may still be around but I'm not too sure. So, with Bledsoe's apprentice in the wings, you'd have a young offense. Defensive powerhouses are by nature aged so it isn't necessarily a priority NOW, but in the 2007-2009 drafts, it will be heavy on the defense. Just like last year...

Anyway, take it or leave it. It's your choice. I did feel like I owed you an explanation, Hos.

Depends on who else is available at 18 but I think he would be a good value at that slot. I also think that he would be better for the current receiving corps than Crayton. We need a jitterbug type who could be an effective slot receiver as you suggest. We are currently lacking that sort of explosiveness in our receiving corps. Apparently, he's a decent blocker too, and BP likes that.

 

[Hostile]

Valued criticism, old friend. You do make solid points about playing time and winning now is an objective, but whole idea of the draft is to build now for a better future. Don't get me wrong, Key and Terry were outstanding acquisitions but even you have to admit that there isn't much in the tank for the both of them.

I'm not saying Holmes is our answer. I'm saying that he could balance the offensive equation while guys next year could be the answer. If I wanted an answer now, I would ***** Reggie Bush because I don't think Julius has the longevity. Think of him being like John Abraham from the Jets. He's got the skills but he's proven to be an injury liability.

But back to the point of playing time, I think Holmes could beat out Crayton. A year in the slot would prep him for battle next season. That way, when Key and Terry step down together (That's a prediction.), Holmes, Crayton, and whoever they draft next year could be a trifecta in the WR corps. Bledsoe may still be around but I'm not too sure. So, with Bledsoe's apprentice in the wings, you'd have a young offense. Defensive powerhouses are by nature aged so it isn't necessarily a priority NOW, but in the 2007-2009 drafts, it will be heavy on the defense. Just like last year...

Anyway, take it or leave it. It's your choice. I did feel like I owed you an explanation, Hos.

I think you build for the future when you are tearing the whole team down. When you're on the cusp of the playoffs I think you build to make that next step.

I like Santonio Holmes, but is he building towards that next step? I don't see it. Especially in a WR weak Draft where there is potentially little difference between him and a guy taken in round 3. In other words, the guy who is your #1 WR in 2008 can be taken in the 3rd. 1st round picks have to be starters now.

No doubt Holmas can beat out Crayton, but to really improve the team he would need to beat out Glenn and Key. Minus that it's a cosmetic move, not a true fill a need move.

Remember this, I am the guy who was so high on Mike Williams last year I said I'd take him overall #1. Nothing has changed that opinion. I value the WR position and see it as a definite need to address on this team. But if you can't get the impact guy in round 1, don't get someone just to get someone.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The last WR from Ohio State that really blew my socks off is already on our team, Terry Glenn.

For a school that used to be known around my area as WR University they seemed to have switched to the stars of the teams being on the D side (sometimes LBs sometimes D line) and Kickers.

At one time they were always famous for the WRs and RBs...it has not seemed to be the same for a good time now.

I think many of their WRs have talent but either the QB play or the game calling has changed that over the last few years.

Santonio Holmes really does not impress me greatly but I am also of the mind that he may be one of those players that make a better Pro.

With that said I would not be opposed to us taking him IF he was the BPA sitting there and we could not trade down.

Sure we have Keys, Glenn and Crayton.
But with Glenn only having one or two full seasons in his career, with the idea that both Key and Glenn are at the tail ends of their careers...It would be nice to have another WR besides just crayton waiting in the background.

I would not want to go through a season down the road where we have neither Key or Terry and basically just have Crayton and be forced to draft a top WR in the draft and STILL probably have to wait a year before he becomes effective.

With all of that said...I think for the immediate future I would rather draft moss on the first day, but not first round. I think he could provide the speed and ability that could also be used in the return game and in some 3 wr sets from time to time as a rookie.
Now Holmes could do the same for us but moss would be a lower round pick and give us a chance to get another player at another position first.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I think you build for the future when you are tearing the whole team down. When you're on the cusp of the playoffs I think you build to make that next step.

I like Santonio Holmes, but is he building towards that next step? I don't see it. Especially in a WR weak Draft where there is potentially little difference between him and a guy taken in round 3. In other words, the guy who is your #1 WR in 2008 can be taken in the 3rd. 1st round picks have to be starters now.

No doubt Holmas can beat out Crayton, but to really improve the team he would need to beat out Glenn and Key. Minus that it's a cosmetic move, not a true fill a need move.

Remember this, I am the guy who was so high on Mike Williams last year I said I'd take him overall #1. Nothing has changed that opinion. I value the WR position and see it as a definite need to address on this team. But if you can't get the impact guy in round 1, don't get someone just to get someone.

I was high on Mike Williams too. I'm not saying we should get Santonio Holmes just to get him. I'm saying it because we can use him. The trade between Coles and S. Moss for the Commanders is under a similiar premise. However, they've been established while Holmes has yet to be.

I like having offensive weapons. The more, the merrier. I do believe Holmes is an impact player and could be our guy. I wouldn't expect him to beat out Key or Glenn his first year but I would expect him to be competitve in his second year... right when we need him to be. Holmes would be the slot man this year. He gets a chance to learn behind Key and Glenn and would contribute. He'd be a role player this year but his ante would be upped next season.

It's hard to expect impact from a rookie unless you had a can't miss prospect. Some collapse under the pressure while others thrive on the attention. Holmes would be in a healthy medium between the two. Right where he should be...


Let's do some research on one of the deeper drafts for WR, the 2003 draft. Out of the eleven taken out of the first three rounds, only three are worth noting. Andre Johnson, Bethel Johnson, and Anquan Boldin. Of those three, Boldin and Johnson are the only two to be selected to the Pro Bowl. Andre Johnson was the only first round pick.

Compare that draft to the 2002 draft, where the litter is considerably weaker. Of the 14 in the top three rounds, five amount to something. They are Donte' Stallworth, Javon Walker, Ashley Lelie, Antonio Bryant (debatable) and Deion Branch. Walker has made the Pro Bowl. I don't know who else has but Deion Branch is a Super Bowl MVP. Lelie and Stallworth are forces for their team and demand attention.

Don't underestimate the weakness of a litter. The class may be weak but some students are strong.

 

[Hiero]

I really don't see why we need another WR yet. He wouldn't play at all anyways, why not wait til next year.

 

[Hiero]

I agree. I am contiuously baffled by the amount of people who feel like we will or should draft a WR with our 1st pick.

Barring injury there is no way anyone but Keyshawn/Glenn/Crayton starts for this team in 2006, especially not a rookie.

We need players that will impact this team now if we are to make a Superbowl run.

Give me a couple big nasty LB's and a Safety. Finish this defense.

good answer, save me the trouble.

 

[Derinyar]

I really don't see why we need another WR yet. He wouldn't play at all anyways, why not wait til next year.

Terry Glenn is likely to be good for 10-14 games. Keyshawn is 34. Crayton is still coming off an injury. Theres three good reasons we could use a WR. Not saying we should draft one, but I think its stupid to assume that a WR that we would draft this year is not going to get any PT. I think its also a bad idea to wait till you need a WR to draft one. Almost no WR makes a major impact in their first season.

I hate the argument that a player has to start that year to be a worth while pick. Thats usually the type of logic that leads to drafting DL and LB exclusively in the high rounds.

 

[Clove]

The last WR from Ohio State that really blew my socks off is already on our team, Terry Glenn.

For a school that used to be known around my area as WR University they seemed to have switched to the stars of the teams being on the D side (sometimes LBs sometimes D line) and Kickers.

At one time they were always famous for the WRs and RBs...it has not seemed to be the same for a good time now.

I think many of their WRs have talent but either the QB play or the game calling has changed that over the last few years.

Santonio Holmes really does not impress me greatly but I am also of the mind that he may be one of those players that make a better Pro.

With that said I would not be opposed to us taking him IF he was the BPA sitting there and we could not trade down.

Sure we have Keys, Glenn and Crayton.
But with Glenn only having one or two full seasons in his career, with the idea that both Key and Glenn are at the tail ends of their careers...It would be nice to have another WR besides just crayton waiting in the background.

I would not want to go through a season down the road where we have neither Key or Terry and basically just have Crayton and be forced to draft a top WR in the draft and STILL probably have to wait a year before he becomes effective.

With all of that said...I think for the immediate future I would rather draft moss on the first day, but not first round. I think he could provide the speed and ability that could also be used in the return game and in some 3 wr sets from time to time as a rookie.
Now Holmes could do the same for us but moss would be a lower round pick and give us a chance to get another player at another position first.

I like your thinking Brain, and that's what I was thinking. Moss is small, but the guy is flat out quick, he can catch the ball, and his shiftiness will cause problems after the catch for defenders. Another Wr I like is Todd Watkins, who can be had in the later rounds, and I won't comment on him too much until after the combine, but if he shows some serious speed, that's my pick because of speed and height.

 

[SALADIN]

Naw, jumping out of windows isn't a WR route yet.

For the last time!!! It was not a window.

 

[Derinyar]

The last WR from Ohio State that really blew my socks off is already on our team, Terry Glenn.

For a school that used to be known around my area as WR University they seemed to have switched to the stars of the teams being on the D side (sometimes LBs sometimes D line) and Kickers.

At one time they were always famous for the WRs and RBs...it has not seemed to be the same for a good time now.

I think many of their WRs have talent but either the QB play or the game calling has changed that over the last few years.

Santonio Holmes really does not impress me greatly but I am also of the mind that he may be one of those players that make a better Pro.

With that said I would not be opposed to us taking him IF he was the BPA sitting there and we could not trade down.

Sure we have Keys, Glenn and Crayton.
But with Glenn only having one or two full seasons in his career, with the idea that both Key and Glenn are at the tail ends of their careers...It would be nice to have another WR besides just crayton waiting in the background.

I would not want to go through a season down the road where we have neither Key or Terry and basically just have Crayton and be forced to draft a top WR in the draft and STILL probably have to wait a year before he becomes effective.

With all of that said...I think for the immediate future I would rather draft moss on the first day, but not first round. I think he could provide the speed and ability that could also be used in the return game and in some 3 wr sets from time to time as a rookie.
Now Holmes could do the same for us but moss would be a lower round pick and give us a chance to get another player at another position first.

The only problem with that is that some team is going to be fascinated by his name and his speed and spend a late first or early second on him, despite the fact that right now hes not as good of a WR coming out of college as Santana was.

I do think we need to address WR in this draft, and wouldn't mind seeing us use a #1 on a WR, but if we do I hope its not Moss. I think a team that drafts Moss early could very well end up regreting it.