My McFadden vs Felix Jones arguement!

[ThatsmyQB]

FELIX JONES THIS YEAR!

12 Carries 129 Yards 10.8 Avg. LONGEST 44 T.D.'s 1

16 Carries 96 Yards 6.0 Avg. LONGEST 36 T.D.'s 0

12 Carries 133 Yards 11.1 Avg. LONGEST 73 T.D.'s 0

7 Carries 132 Yards 18.9 Avg. LONGEST 71 T.D.'s 2

13 Carries 141 Yards 10.8 Avg. LONGEST 59 T.D.'s 2

6 Carries 42 Yards 7.0 Avg. LONGEST 17 T.D.'s 0

15 Carries 101 Yards 6.7 Avg. LONGEST 38 T.D.'s 2

17 Carries 89 Yards 5.2 Avg. LONGEST 18 T.D.'s 1

13 Carries 166 Yards 12.8 Avg. LONGEST 72 T.D.'s 3

9 Carries 85 Yards 9.4 Avg. LONGEST 31 T.D.'s 0

MAN, look at his YARD PER CARRY for EVERY GAME, this tells me he runs great against EVERY DEFENSE he's faced and is consistent game in and game out.
Now, look at his yards, he seems to have basically gotten over 100 yards EVERY GAME when he's getting MINIMAL Carries EVERY GAME (because of McFadden).

Then look at his LONGEST RUN compared to his ATTEMPTS for that game.
He's only getting MINIMAL TOUCHES EVERY GAME and CONSISTENTLY breaks off a LONG RUN "WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT".

Now McFadden is the one who's supposed to be the best R.B. and the BREAKAWAY RUNNER, lets only compare the LONGEST RUNS ONLY per game, I'll just list ATTEMPTS PER GAME and LONGEST RUN PER GAME against the SAME DEFENSES in the SAME GAME. Jones had 3 carries for 3 yards in one game and ZERO carries in the other, so I'll exclude those two games for this comparison, BUT Keep in mind, these are the SAME GAME against the EXACT SAME DEFENSE.

Jones 12 carries LONGEST 44
McFadden 24 carries LONGEST 25

Jones 16 Carries LONGEST 36
McFadden 33 Carries LONGEST 23

Jones 12 Carries LONGEST 73
McFadden 29 Carries LONGEST 56

Jones 7 Carries LONGEST 71
McFadden 19 Carries LONGEST 51

Jones 13 Carries LONGEST 59
McFadden 25 Carries LONGEST 25

Jones 6 Carries LONGEST 17
McFadden 17 Carries LONGEST 13

Jones 15 Carries LONGEST 38
McFadden 22 Carries LONGEST 30

Jones 17 Carries LONGEST 18
McFadden 19 Carries LONGEST 20

Jones 13 Carries LONGEST 72
McFadden 34 Carries LONGEST 80

Jones 9 Carries LONGEST 31
McFadden 32 Carries LONGEST 73

I mean, McFadden was averaging at least twice as many carries PER GAME and yet his LONGEST RUNS with TWICE AS MANY CARRIES or more in most cases doesn't compare at all.

Jones CONSISTENTLY rattles off LONG RUNS "EVERY GAME" with only small amounts of carries while the BEST R.B. to come out in a decade some say doesn't have that big BREAKAWAY action that Jones has since Jones gets less than half the attempts per game and the LONGEST RUNS from one to the other against the SAME TEAM and SAME DEFENSE isn't even in the same ballpark.
You'd think by looknig at this that Jones is this little scat back Dave Meggett Barry Sanders little quick speedster but in reality he's 6' tall and 200 pounds, McFadden is 6'-2 TWO inches bigger and 205 pounds, 5 pounds heavier.

JONES 6'-0 200 pounds
McFadden 6'-2 205 pounds

So as you can see, this is why I have a man crush on Jones and want him with our top pick to get that ONE LONG RUN per game that we all though Julius would do after his rookie season, and since Barber will be getting the BULK of the workload and you need another R.B. who can bust off BIG LONG RUNS with MINIMAL CARRIES PER GAME, why not get someone who has proven he's capable of making the LONG RUN EVERY GAME while only getting on average about only 11 or 12 carries a game BECAUSE the team had McFadden carrying the load.
Seems like the PERFECT compliment to Barber, a guy who can TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE everytime he touches it and has PROVEN he can take it to the house EVERY GAME with just MINIMAL Carries.

Oh, and he's NEVEVER averaged this year less than 6 yards per carry while McFadden averaged less then 6 yards per carry 7 out of 12 games and while running behind the SAME O-LINE against the SAME DEFENSE for their whole careers, McFadden average yards per carry per year was

2005 6.3 yards per carry
2006 5.8 yards per carry
2007 5.7 yards per carry

Compared to Jones who averaged

2005 6.3 yards per carry
2006 7.6 yards per carry
2007 9.1 yards per carry

McFadden's average went down every year, Jones went up every year, and Jones WORST YEAR was McFaddens' best year, and his 7/6 yards per carry was SICK, but he TOPPED THAT this year with an INSANE 9.1 yards per carry, NINE YARDS PER CARRY????????
I WANT HIM WITH OUR TOP PICK, he'd give our offense that EXPLOSIVE R.B. we need to pair with Barber.
McFadden runs a SICK 4.3 but with so much speed, and getting more than twice as many carries as Felix Jones which means twice as many opporunity's every game to bust off a long run, I just don't see it from McFadden consistently, IN FACT, other than one game where Felix had an 18 yard run for his longets and McFadden had 20 for his longest, only ONE GAME did McFadden have a LONGER RUN then Felix Jones and that's with getting TWICE AS MANY CARRIES in most cases, so that tells me Felix is a LOT MORE EXPLOSIVE for busting off long runs then McFadden!
You give Felix Jones the carries McFadden had and vice Versa, and I think you'd see Felix being a top 5 pick.

I just really like Felix a LOT and hope we add him to our team to pair with Barber AND be our return guy also!
Give me Jones and Desean Jackson and that would REALLY add some FAST playmakers to what is already one of thee most explosive offenses in the NFL!
Then use our next 2 picks on C.B.'s like a Charles Godfrey and a Justin King!

I'd like to cover ourselves and not have to FORCE a R.B. pick just cause it's a NEED going into the draft since we currently have noone basically behind Barber, so I woudl like to sign Tatum Bell, Shanahan said Bell EXCELLED at getting 8-12 carries a game able to bust off long runs in minimal carries also, so he'd be a perfect compliment to Barber also and would give us leeway in the draft to take a R.b. if one falls but not be married to the idea of having to get one in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

[dmoore]

There's no comparision. You obviously didn't pay close attention to the combine. I don't think the combine is the only way to judge a RB, but when a guy posts such disappointing results it really shows a lack of comittment. These guys have nothing to do after the end of the season than to improve their workout numbers. There's no reason for Felix to have such a poor showing being completely healthy. I think he's a nice back, and could be a good pick-up, but he's clearly dropped below a number of guys that I'd rather have.

McFadden passes the eye test, and his skills are top notch. If he can stay healthy, he should be an all-pro.

 

[Maxmadden]

What are Jones numbers with McFadden on the bench?

 

[ThatsmyQB]

There's no comparision. You obviously didn't pay close attention to the combine. I don't think the combine is the only way to judge a RB, but when a guy posts such disappointing results it really shows a lack of comittment. These guys have nothing to do after the end of the season than to improve their workout numbers. There's no reason for Felix to have such a poor showing being completely healthy. I think he's a nice back, and could be a good pick-up, but he's clearly dropped below a number of guys that I'd rather have.

McFadden passes the eye test, and his skills are top notch. If he can stay healthy, he should be an all-pro.

Mike Mamula, that's all I have to say!
I'm not saying McFadden will be abust or anything, but I tend to go more on what they do ON THE FIELD, and ON THE FIELD, Felix was the more EXPLOSIVE BACK, those numbers don't lie.
What did Felix do so wrong at the combine?
don't know his other numbers, but do know he ran a 4.4 which is pretty damn good, and it's not like he's a power back that he needs to bench press a ****load, I'm sure Barry Sanders didnt' put up impressive bench numbers, although maybe he did, my point is, he ran a 4.4 and was impressive as hell ON THE FIELD, more so than McFadden in turns of big runs and explosive runs and consistent long runs on limited carries.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

What are Jones numbers with McFadden on the bench?

Don't know don't care, when wa sthe last time a R.B. bench pressed a L.B. while running? LOL

 

[Jimz31]

Hmmmm..is this a Jones/Barber type debate?

It may be valid.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

You ever heard of a teams breathing easy when McFadden's not carrying the ball... Everyone feared Run DMC in college, Felix is a good player but make NO mistake, he's NOT better than McFadden.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

You ever heard of a teams breathing easy when McFadden's not carrying the ball... Everyone feared Run DMC in college, Felix is a good player but make NO mistake, he's NOT better than McFadden.

When the guy averages 9 yards a carry and busts off a 50 yard run WEEKLY, why would teams TAKE IT EASY when he's in the ball game?
I never heard of that, I mean, do defenders REALLY take a play off cause another R.B. comes into the game?
Especially since the R.B. who's coming in averages 9 yards a pop and has ripped off a huge run every week he's played?
Listen, I understand why people like McFadden and think he's gonna be the better back, but it's not IMPOSSIBLE that Jones has a better career in the pro's, ala Cadillac vs. Ronnie Brown when they played together.

I just think Jones has more explosiveness!
I know McFadden ran fast, but I think Jones has the better vision and open field moves to go along with the speed.
He ran fast WITHOUT PADS, but remember the mayock tape of showing McFadden almost getting caught from behind in a full sprint by a L.B.??????
I still don't know why the scouts don't have these R.B.'s run the 40 in FULL PADS to see their football speed more with the added bulk and weight of the full pads.

There's no arguement here really, I just like Jones better is all, you might like McFadden better, I like Jones better, who knows, McFadden could be great and Jones is a vust, or vice versa or both turn out great or both are busts, the drafts a CRAP SHOOT, make no mistake about it.
Like Blair Thomas #2 overall the same year we drafted Emmitt middle of round 1, you just NEVER KNOW!
So to sit here and say NO mistake, he's NOT better than McFadden !

That's just your opinion and you act like it's a fact, it's my opinion jones will be the better pro, but to sit here and say he's 100% not better is pretty absurd if you ask me!

 

[dmoore]

He ran fast WITHOUT PADS, but remember the mayock tape of showing McFadden almost getting caught from behind in a full sprint by a L.B.??????

That video was mayock trying to blow himself. The LB took an angle on him and McFadden still ran past him.

The main point is, McFadden is the better player. There's a reason he got the majority of the carries at ARK. Granted, Felix would've started for all but a handful of schools, but he clearly wasn't the player that McFadden was. IMO, McFadden's been the best RB in college football since his freshman year, and he's got the numbers and highlights to back up that claim.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

That video was mayock trying to blow himself. The LB took an angle on him and McFadden still ran past him.

Watch again, there was NO ANGLE he was DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM, NO ANGLE!

The main point is, McFadden is the better player. There's a reason he got the majority of the carries at ARK. Granted, Felix would've started for all but a handful of schools, but he clearly wasn't the player that McFadden was. IMO, McFadden's been the best RB in college football since his freshman year, and he's got the numbers and highlights to back up that claim.

Did you not see my numbers sheet up top?
Clearly, Jones was the more EXPLOSIVE BACK and had more LONGER RUNS than McFadden in HALF the carries and averaged 3 yards more PER CARRY, not 3 yards a carry, 3 yards per carry MORE than McFadden, granted less carries, but then go back to Jones had the long runs week in and week out with half the carries then McFadden though!
We can debate this all year I guess, I like Jones to be the better pro based on his ability to always break long runs a lot more consistently then McFadden, and I believe that's because he's more SHIFTY of a runner and more elusive and has better vision IMO!
Could I be wrong, sure, I guess we'll have to wiat a few years to see if I was right or wrong, wont' be the 1st time I would be wrong, won't be the last!
But then again I am rigth once in awhile also!

But seriously, slow mo the video again, there was NO ANGLE when he almost caught him before McFadden finally out ran him, and just so we are clear, that wasn't a D.B. chasing him, but a L.B.!