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Yakuza Rich

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- Brees pointed out something that was irking me throughout the year. The defense is vulnerable to passes in the flats. It was in particular bad in the Jags game as well. I think the problem is that in order to run the 3-4 you need bigger LB's. And while I like the 3-4, it's hard to find big LB's that can play the run, take on blockers and cover well. I hate to knock Bradie but for awhile I've been saying I'd like somebody a bit more dynamic at his spot. That being said, it's hard to find. The Steelers have that player in Farrior and the Pats have that player in Bruschi. But while SD has Edwards, he's terrible against the run in the 3-4. Obviously teams usually don't have the receiving threat that Bush presents, but there's teams with good receiving backs like JAX or Chicago that could cause some problems for quite some time.

- Romo played bad, but pushing the panic button is ridiculous. He actually played pretty well in the Giants game, but had 5 drops with one that bounced off Glenn and was intercepted by Kiwanuka. I'm a fan of looking at stats, but looking at the Giants game stats and thinking he played bad and now thinking he played 2 bad games in a row is off. Romo reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in that they can beat you in the pocket, but kill teams outside of the pocket. I like that in a QB. The problem I see with Qb's like that is they often make a lot of impulse decisions. Instead of staying in the pocket and letting the play develop, they'll try to get outside of the pocket and make a play that isn't there. Anyway, I think this is the bad version of Romo that we'll see were he makes a lot of good plays, but makes too many bad plays. I think his only other issues is that when he misses he misses high and he still needs to work on getting air on his deep throws.

- What sometimes aggravates me about the offense is that it seems that opposing defenses seem to know when we are running off left tackle, running a draw play, or running a playaction bootleg just a bit too often.

- As much as I hate to say it, when Owens gets the ball the offense seems to start moving. Unfortunately we have to rely on him catching it.

- At least Julius didn't seem so timid running the ball last night. Unfortunately he didn't seem to care to block Will Smith on Romo's first sack either.

- Al Michaels didn't need to make Payton look like he was Belichick vs. the Rams in the 2001 Super Bowl. The reverse on 4th and 1 was something that Coughlin probably would've gotten fired over. The onside kick was even dumber since the last thing you want is for Dallas to come back and score quickly. It's alright if they score, but make them take some time off the clock. It worked for them, but if they do that in the playoffs they'll be likely calling Payton out the next day.

- Someday we'll get a free safety worth a damn.

- There's still some good news. We're still in first place and basically control our destiny. We've got 2 out of the next 3 at home and I think Dallas could easily beat all of these teams without being biased about saying that. This also probably helped serve as a wakeup call. And I still believe Dallas can beat any team in the NFC, except for the Saints. I think the Saints matchup too well against Dallas. Although I think the Bears could beat the Saints because I think they matchup well against New Orleans.

If we face the Saints again, the offense will be key since they'll need to be treated like the Colts offense and cannot be allowed on the field. The sluggish starts are killing us and they need to find ways to control the time of posession early on or it will come back to haunt us.



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What is still bothering me is that I believe Dallas is a better team from top to bottom.

But I think as Bum Phillips once said about Don Shula "He could take his'n and beat your'n; or take your'n and beat his'n"

I do not for one second believe that the coaching staff is getting everything they can out of this team...specially on defense.
 

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Call me a homer if you want, but I still believe this team should beat the Saints. In the NFL one game is just one game. As that broker commercial on TV says in its disclaimer, "Past performance doesn't guarantee future success." If the Cowboys play the Saints again, I expect a very different game.
 

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gbrittain;1226265 said:
What is still bothering me is that I believe Dallas is a better team from top to bottom.

But I think as Bum Phillips once said about Don Shula "He could take his'n and beat your'n; or take your'n and beat his'n"

I do not for one second believe that the coaching staff is getting everything they can out of this team...specially on defense.

I think the Saints provide a tough matchup for Dallas and we saw that on Sunday. With the Colts, Dallas has the advantage of size on defense over their smaller offense. But the Saints are pretty big on their O-Line, Deuce can pound it and Colston is a huge WR. Then you've got Bush who presents issues for Bradie and then Brees is so on fire right now and has been great with the deep ball. The best chance they have to beat them is by playing well on offense and keeping their offense off the field and forcing their offense into tough situations. In reality, the 77 yard run did more hurt than good. If we could've scored a TD on a 5 minute drive, that would've been much better.

I'm not the biggest Zimmer fan nor am I the biggest detractor. The passes to Karney were frustrating since after awhile he should've seen it coming. Why we can't find a FS that is serviceable is something that makes you shake your head. And I do wonder sometimes if Luis Castillo would be as good as he is in SD if we had drafted him instead of Spears.

It's not the end of the world, but I don't see us beating the Saints if we face them again this season.


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I believe the Giants match up well against us. After this game, I'll admit to becoming worried about both Atlanta and the Eagles. I'm twisting my worry beads from now on.
 

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I think actually we can match up pretty well on the Saints if we alter our game plan: pressure the WR's, drop the soft coverage and get aggressive. Chuck them, bother them, get in their face. Move ware around and make it his primary duty to pressure Brees. Pick our best LB as regards covering RB's and stick him on Bush.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1226287 said:
I think the Saints provide a tough matchup for Dallas and we saw that on Sunday. With the Colts, Dallas has the advantage of size on defense over their smaller offense. But the Saints are pretty big on their O-Line, Deuce can pound it and Colston is a huge WR. Then you've got Bush who presents issues for Bradie and then Brees is so on fire right now and has been great with the deep ball. The best chance they have to beat them is by playing well on offense and keeping their offense off the field and forcing their offense into tough situations. In reality, the 77 yard run did more hurt than good. If we could've scored a TD on a 5 minute drive, that would've been much better.

I'm not the biggest Zimmer fan nor am I the biggest detractor. The passes to Karney were frustrating since after awhile he should've seen it coming. Why we can't find a FS that is serviceable is something that makes you shake your head. And I do wonder sometimes if Luis Castillo would be as good as he is in SD if we had drafted him instead of Spears.

It's not the end of the world, but I don't see us beating the Saints if we face them again this season.


YAKUZA


Well said.

If I had to rank the teams I would least like to play in the playoffs NO would be #1 on my list. They have the Cowboys number.
 

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burmafrd;1226298 said:
I think actually we can match up pretty well on the Saints if we alter our game plan: pressure the WR's, drop the soft coverage and get aggressive. Chuck them, bother them, get in their face. Move ware around and make it his primary duty to pressure Brees. Pick our best LB as regards covering RB's and stick him on Bush.

And don't abondon the run on offense.
 

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wileedog;1226323 said:
And don't abondon the run on offense.

I'm in an office full of Saints fans and that's what they said. They couldn't understand why we quit running on them esp with Thomas out of the line up.
 

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I would like to comment on some of your statements.

I agree with having to find a dynammic MLB that can get pressure up the middle where most QBs have a problem, but I would like to add that on the teams listed, they also have a complimentary LOLB. Hagans, Vrabel and Phillips. We don't have anyone opposite Ware......yet. Jury still out on Carpenter.

I also thought Romo had a good game against the Giants. I didn't think Romo was that bad in this game until he was forced. On his first interception, he threw it a little too much inside. If he had thrown it toward the sidelines a little bit more it is a completion and still our ball. It seemed several of his throws were wide of the intended target. He just had an off day.

I don't know what to say about our offensive playcalling. It was pathetic. I just can't put my finger on it, but it was just uninspired. Did we run one screen?

Romo shied away from Owens on the few times he was open. Fred Thomas has been burnt by half the league but we rarely went after him. Heck, just lob a ball at him and let Owens pull it down.

I'll have to rewatch the game, but I didn't think the sack was Julius fault. I thought Smith went between the Guard and Center and Jones was engaging an outside guy. Jones appeared to be the only guy to show up to the game. He had one carry for no yards, but everything else was run with power.

Payton called this game like it was their Superbowl. That or he just knew what he could get away with against us. Why didn't he call this good when he was with us?

Did Watkins even see the field. Everytime I saw a large gain etc. etc. I saw Davis jersey.

A loss like yesterday is good because it wakes up the team. We are still in first and have a good schedule to get it rolling again. We have to learn from mistakes and make the Saints pay in the post-season.

Good analysis YR
 

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Duane;1226342 said:
I'm in an office full of Saints fans and that's what they said. They couldn't understamd why we quit running on them esp with Thomas out of the line up.

If they figure it out, let me know....
 

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I was wondering if you guys saw our RT and marion barber get steamed rolled on a play by their DE... that kinda shows how that game went :\ we just got owned. hopefully we come out next game swinging, not just for one quarter but the whole damn game.!
 

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To me, the key to defeating the Saints is getting pressure opposite Ware. If you get this done, all of a sudden, you don't need to blitz your LBs as much. You can play the flats and stop the little flares. The safeties are going to be a problem until we get one that can play. Everybody can continue to defend Roy in coverage but I think it's pretty clear what we have with him in coverage. We don't have a FS that can play right now so that too is a problem. However, if we can pressure the QB, the possability of giving up so many big plays in minimized. If you make the Saints have to run the ball, they can be beaten. McAllister rushed for 78 yards in the second half. In the first half, he has 33 yards on 9 carries. That's 3.66 YPC. Once the Saints were able to pound the ball, there running game got started. However, in the first half, they were not able to run all that effectively. To me, the key is another pass rusher.

Offensively, we totally screwed Romo in this game. We rushed the football 12 times. Not 12 times in the first half. 12 times in the whole game using RBs in a designed methode. If you discount the 77 yard run from JJ, in the first half, he ran 6 times for 32 yards (5.33 YPC). In the second half, JJ ran 3 times for 7 yards, all in the very first series of the third quarter. That's it. Even still, that's 4.33 yards a carry, if you don't add in the 77 yard TD run. Oviously, if you add that in, your talking 11.6 YPC. Barber rushed only twice the whole game. You want to look at why we lost this game? Look no further then the offensive game plan. We win games by controlling the clock, using a balanced, run oriented offense and taking care of the football. In this game, we went completely away from what we do best and I don't know why. We had very good success doing what we normally do early on and we just totally went away from it. Don't ask me why because it makes no sense to me.
 

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I think Payton saw something in the way we were lining up that caused him to call the onsides kick. Ayodele is playing well in coverage right now. I'm not seeing much out of Bradie James. Teams are killing us on misdirection plays in particular when they get Ware out of the play.

We need a better free safety.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1226231 said:
- Brees pointed out something that was irking me throughout the year. The defense is vulnerable to passes in the flats. It was in particular bad in the Jags game as well. I think the problem is that in order to run the 3-4 you need bigger LB's. And while I like the 3-4, it's hard to find big LB's that can play the run, take on blockers and cover well. I hate to knock Bradie but for awhile I've been saying I'd like somebody a bit more dynamic at his spot. That being said, it's hard to find. The Steelers have that player in Farrior and the Pats have that player in Bruschi. But while SD has Edwards, he's terrible against the run in the 3-4. Obviously teams usually don't have the receiving threat that Bush presents, but there's teams with good receiving backs like JAX or Chicago that could cause some problems for quite some time.

- Romo played bad, but pushing the panic button is ridiculous. He actually played pretty well in the Giants game, but had 5 drops with one that bounced off Glenn and was intercepted by Kiwanuka. I'm a fan of looking at stats, but looking at the Giants game stats and thinking he played bad and now thinking he played 2 bad games in a row is off. Romo reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in that they can beat you in the pocket, but kill teams outside of the pocket. I like that in a QB. The problem I see with Qb's like that is they often make a lot of impulse decisions. Instead of staying in the pocket and letting the play develop, they'll try to get outside of the pocket and make a play that isn't there. Anyway, I think this is the bad version of Romo that we'll see were he makes a lot of good plays, but makes too many bad plays. I think his only other issues is that when he misses he misses high and he still needs to work on getting air on his deep throws.

- What sometimes aggravates me about the offense is that it seems that opposing defenses seem to know when we are running off left tackle, running a draw play, or running a playaction bootleg just a bit too often.

- As much as I hate to say it, when Owens gets the ball the offense seems to start moving. Unfortunately we have to rely on him catching it.

- At least Julius didn't seem so timid running the ball last night. Unfortunately he didn't seem to care to block Will Smith on Romo's first sack either.

- Al Michaels didn't need to make Payton look like he was Belichick vs. the Rams in the 2001 Super Bowl. The reverse on 4th and 1 was something that Coughlin probably would've gotten fired over. The onside kick was even dumber since the last thing you want is for Dallas to come back and score quickly. It's alright if they score, but make them take some time off the clock. It worked for them, but if they do that in the playoffs they'll be likely calling Payton out the next day.

- Someday we'll get a free safety worth a damn.

- There's still some good news. We're still in first place and basically control our destiny. We've got 2 out of the next 3 at home and I think Dallas could easily beat all of these teams without being biased about saying that. This also probably helped serve as a wakeup call. And I still believe Dallas can beat any team in the NFC, except for the Saints. I think the Saints matchup too well against Dallas. Although I think the Bears could beat the Saints because I think they matchup well against New Orleans.

If we face the Saints again, the offense will be key since they'll need to be treated like the Colts offense and cannot be allowed on the field. The sluggish starts are killing us and they need to find ways to control the time of posession early on or it will come back to haunt us.



YAKUZA

I really thought that they would play more ball control in this game, especially considering that New Orleans was able to move the ball pretty easy. But for the second week in the row, they gave up on the run way too early.
 

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I dont get why Watkins isnt in more (yeah I know he's been beat bad twice).

Davis is by far the WORST of the 2.

All I ever see is Davis taking even worse angles than RW and continues to run into nothing but OUR players.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1226231 said:
- Al Michaels didn't need to make Payton look like he was Belichick vs. the Rams in the 2001 Super Bowl. The reverse on 4th and 1 was something that Coughlin probably would've gotten fired over. The onside kick was even dumber since the last thing you want is for Dallas to come back and score quickly. It's alright if they score, but make them take some time off the clock. It worked for them, but if they do that in the playoffs they'll be likely calling Payton out the next day.

I couldn't agree more with your assesment on the 4 and 1 play and the onside kick. Both were idiotic moves from a coaching stand point. The only thing is, when an idiotic play is successful, it makes the caller look like a genius.

That 4 and 1 play was stuffed except the Cowboys defense play was lackadaisical. Ware pushed him deep behind the line of scrimage which gave the defense plenty of time to react, yet if you watch the play our linebackers and defensive line looked like the three stoogies. They were running into each other and falling down. :rolleyes:

The onside kick when you were up (18?) wasn't nessesary and put the Saints at risk making it possible for the Cowboys to trim the lead to less than two scores in the second half. If the Cowboys had gotten the onside kick and were able to make the adjustments, that could have easily cost the Saints the game. Lucky for them, the Cowboys changed nothing and continued to flounder in the second half.
 

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Duane;1226342 said:
I'm in an office full of Saints fans and that's what they said. They couldn't understand why we quit running on them esp with Thomas out of the line up.

We were running fine, but we were getting owned on 3rd down. They did a superb job of scouting our third down tendencies; I think we made 1 of 8 in that game.

Ultimately they took away our ability to pass for at least 2 quarters and stymied it all game. That was the offensive failure on our part. They were covering receivers and used their ends to contain Romo, and generated an inside pass rush to make him throw more quickly than he wanted.

After that, the long drives they were able to sustain on offense wore the defense out.

I think all told, we expected the team we slaughtered in preseason to show up, and the Saints are hardly that team anymore.

David.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1226231 said:
- Al Michaels didn't need to make Payton look like he was Belichick vs. the Rams in the 2001 Super Bowl. The reverse on 4th and 1 was something that Coughlin probably would've gotten fired over. The onside kick was even dumber since the last thing you want is for Dallas to come back and score quickly. It's alright if they score, but make them take some time off the clock. It worked for them, but if they do that in the playoffs they'll be likely calling Payton out the next day.

It was a calculated risk, whose point was to keep the ball in the hands of their offense and away from Romo and the Dallas receivers. Romo has already proven he can overcome a 14 point lead.

David.
 
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