MY mock 4.0

[LatinMind]

FAs brought back
Dez. Free, McClain, Carter, Hayden, Moore, Clutts, Beasley, Weems, Leary, Lawrence

FA signings
Jason Pierre Paul SDE
Colt McCoy QB


Mock Draft
1. Bucaneers - Jameis Winston QB Florida State
2. Titans - Leonard Williams DT USC
3. Jaguars - Trade with CLE Jags gets 12 and 19
3. Browns - Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
4. Raiders - Amari Cooper WR Alabama
5. Commanders - Randy Gregory OLB Nebraska
6. Jets - Dante Fowler Jr OLB Florida
7. Bears - Shane Ray OLB Missouri
8. Falcons - Alvin Dupree DEKentucky
9. Giants - Brandon Scherff OT Iowa
10. Rams - Kevin White WR West Virginia
11. Vikings - La'el Collins OT LSU
12. Jaguars - Andrus Peat OT Stanford
13. Saints - Vic Beasley OLB Clemson
14. Dolphins - Trae Waynes CB Michigan State
15. Niners - Danny Shelton DL Washington
16. Texans - TJ Cummings OT Pitt
17. Chargers - Malcolm Brown DT Texas
18. Cheifs - DeVante Parker WR Louisville
19. Jaguars - Shaq Thompson LB Washington
20, Eagles - Landon Collins S Alabama
21. Bengals - Quentin Rollins CB Miami OH
22. Steelers - Marcus Peters CB Washington
23. Lions - Arik Armstead DT Oregon
24. Cardinals - Dorial Green-Beckham WR Oklahoma
25. Panthers - Ereck Flowers OT Miami
26. Ravens - Jordan Phillips DT Oklahoma
27. DALLAS COWBOYS - TODDY GURLEY RB GEORGIA

RD2
Xavier Cooper DT Washington State

RD3
Cedric Reed DE Texas

RD4
Josh Shaw DB USC

RD5
Tyrus Thompson OT Oklahoma

RD7
Tyeler Davison DT Fresno State

RD7
Kyle Loomis P Portlant State


QB: Romo, McCoy
RB: Gurley, Williams, Dunbar
FB: Clutts
WR: Dez, TW, Beasley, Street
TE Witten, Cartel, Hanna
LT: Tyron, Thompson
LG: Leary, Bernadeau
C: Fredrick, Bernadeau
RG: Martin, Hawkins
RT: Free, Thompson

SDE: JPP, Mincey, Gardner
3TECH: Crawford, McClain, Whaley
1TECH: Hayden, Cooper, Bishop
WDE: Lawrence, Reed
SAM: Carter, Hitchens
MIKE: McClain: Hitchens
WILL: Lee, Hitchens, Lawrence
LCB: Carr, Claiborne, Shaw
RCB:Scandrick, Moore, Patmon
FS: Wilcox, Shaw
SS: Church: Heath
K: Bailey
P: Loomis

Basically only 2 changes on the offensive side, Gurley drafted to start, and Thompson to take over the swing.

Defense all starts with adding JPP, and drafting Cooper for the DL. Think Cooper could end up starting at some point in the yr. Add in Reed, if he is healthy i think he could challenge lawrence. Lawrence just doesnt have the size IMO. He could add some weight in the offseason and come on this yr, but his legs are small and he isnt beating the LT off the snap he just doesnt look like he's going anywhere. Not long enough to fight off the block and no power to go thru.

I think Hitchens makes Durant less important IMO. They have several guys who can play will and mike but only Carter was able to produce at SAM and they played both Durant and Hitchens there.

Think with a good passrush this secondary is good as is. Add in shaw who can play in dime and challenge patmon and play safety when they take church off the field.

 

[dwreck27]

I would rather take a 2nd chance (hopefully scared straight and prove yourself deal) with Hardy then a player who has "motor issues" and finally produced up to his EXPECTED level of performance in a contract year...

 

[The Realist]

So Lawrence is a bust?

I disagree but glad you think they resign him.

 

[LatinMind]

So Lawrence is a bust?

I disagree but glad you think they resign him.

Guess you never heard of the guy Cameron Lawrence. Way to know the team you cheer for.

I honestly dont know what to think of Demarcus Lawrence. Yeah he was injured so he gets an excuse, but the thing that scares me is not his play but his size. TC is always saying Lawrence gained some weight in the time from TC to when he started playing. Its scary because he is still very small for a DE. Imagine what he looked like in TC. And im sorry but im not going to jump for joy because he had 3 plays in the time he was playing. He played in alot more snaps where there was zero from him. This why i dont like guys like orchard and all the other tweeners you guys are wild about. they are all smaller then Lawrence and he is getting manhandled in the NF the majority of the time because LT is usually the best OL on the team. Im not calling him a bust but i dont think he will be anything more then a rotation guy. I dont see this guy ever getting the 10 sacks in a yr he claimed he would get his rookie yr.

 

[Bigdog]

I would take that draft especially if Gurley can get back to his pre injury form.

 

[tm1119]

Is there a trade back option? I like everything but an injured RB in round 1. Just can't talk me into it. What happens if he's not ready until week 6? Can the team get by with Williams, Dunbar, and an UDFA for 6 weeks?

 

[AsthmaField]

Is there a trade back option? I like everything but an injured RB in round 1. Just can't talk me into it. What happens if he's not ready until week 6? Can the team get by with Williams, Dunbar, and an UDFA for 6 weeks?

If the team thinks Gurley is going to be good as new once he comes back from the knee, he sure is a fantastic player.

If I could be guaranteed that he'd come back week 6 as good as new, I'd do that all day long. He would be a beast for 10 games (and the rest of his career) once he came back.

The real question, in my eyes, is will he be back to normal at all in 2015? If the team doctors think that he won't be as good as new until 2016 then I don't think you take him in the first unless you have another runner that you feel really good about in 2015.

In this case, I kind of see both sides of the coin and really all we can do is trust in the doctor's opinions and the team's process.

 

[xwalker]

If the team thinks Gurley is going to be good as new once he comes back from the knee, he sure is a fantastic player.

If I could be guaranteed that he'd come back week 6 as good as new, I'd do that all day long. He would be a beast for 10 games (and the rest of his career) once he came back.

The real question, in my eyes, is will he be back to normal at all in 2015? If the team doctors think that he won't be as good as new until 2016 then I don't think you take him in the first unless you have another runner that you feel really good about in 2015.

In this case, I kind of see both sides of the coin and really all we can do is trust in the doctor's opinions and the team's process.

The problem is that if teams think he will be ready for game 1, then he likely gets drafted before #27.

 

[tm1119]

If the team thinks Gurley is going to be good as new once he comes back from the knee, he sure is a fantastic player.

If I could be guaranteed that he'd come back week 6 as good as new, I'd do that all day long. He would be a beast for 10 games (and the rest of his career) once he came back.

The real question, in my eyes, is will he be back to normal at all in 2015? If the team doctors think that he won't be as good as new until 2016 then I don't think you take him in the first unless you have another runner that you feel really good about in 2015.

In this case, I kind of see both sides of the coin and really all we can do is trust in the doctor's opinions and the team's process.

1. You don't know how great he will or won't be. Yes, he's talented, but we've both seen plenty of highly touted RB's with a ton of talent bust in the NFL. Gurley ccertainly has his mental makeup questions already...

2. I really don't think there's any way to tell. Not every ACL surgery heals the same and not every person's body reacts the same. Some guys take take 14 months and then there's AP and Welker who did it in 7/8 months. He would be about 5 months into the process come April. Idk, maybe at that time he will be far enough along that the team feels comfortable drafting him, but I think it would still be at least some gamble involved.

 

[The Realist]

Guess you never heard of the guy Cameron Lawrence. Way to know the team you cheer for.

I honestly dont know what to think of Demarcus Lawrence. Yeah he was injured so he gets an excuse, but the thing that scares me is not his play but his size. TC is always saying Lawrence gained some weight in the time from TC to when he started playing. Its scary because he is still very small for a DE. Imagine what he looked like in TC. And im sorry but im not going to jump for joy because he had 3 plays in the time he was playing. He played in alot more snaps where there was zero from him. This why i dont like guys like orchard and all the other tweeners you guys are wild about. they are all smaller then Lawrence and he is getting manhandled in the NF the majority of the time because LT is usually the best OL on the team. Im not calling him a bust but i dont think he will be anything more then a rotation guy. I dont see this guy ever getting the 10 sacks in a yr he claimed he would get his rookie yr.

Oh Cameron Lawrence. Easy to forget irrelevant players.

Lawrence is 260 now and will only get bigger and stronger. Their are a lot of 4-3 DE's at or around his size and he's a better athlete than most

 

[AsthmaField]

1. You don't know how great he will or won't be. Yes, he's talented, but we've both seen plenty of highly touted RB's with a ton of talent bust in the NFL. Gurley ccertainly has his mental makeup questions already...

2. I really don't think there's any way to tell. Not every ACL surgery heals the same and not every person's body reacts the same. Some guys take take 14 months and then there's AP and Welker who did it in 7/8 months. He would be about 5 months into the process come April. Idk, maybe at that time he will be far enough along that the team feels comfortable drafting him, but I think it would still be at least some gamble involved.

I don't disagree at all. Like I said, I see both sides of this. I do think Gurley is going to be a real workhorse NFL back and a very good one, but as you said... you never really know for sure.

I have come to trust the Cowboys in talent acquisition so I will just trust that they will do the right thing if Gurley is available at 27... which he might not even be.

You and I tend to see things pretty much the same when it comes to draftable players and I don't think we're very far apart on this particular subject either.

 

[LatinMind]

Oh Cameron Lawrence. Easy to forget irrelevant players.

Lawrence is 260 now and will only get bigger and stronger. Their are a lot of 4-3 DE's at or around his size and he's a better athlete than most

What has he done that would lead anybody to believe he is a better athlete than most DEs? IM not saying he's bad, but i just havent seen anything from him yet to say to myself. Dallas has something there to build on. What has he shown you that he hasnt shown the rest of us?

 

[LatinMind]

1. You don't know how great he will or won't be. Yes, he's talented, but we've both seen plenty of highly touted RB's with a ton of talent bust in the NFL. Gurley ccertainly has his mental makeup questions already...

2. I really don't think there's any way to tell. Not every ACL surgery heals the same and not every person's body reacts the same. Some guys take take 14 months and then there's AP and Welker who did it in 7/8 months. He would be about 5 months into the process come April. Idk, maybe at that time he will be far enough along that the team feels comfortable drafting him, but I think it would still be at least some gamble involved.

There is, but on a player like him i think its worth it. The guy has the speed size and vision to be awsome in the NFL. Then behind this OL Dallas has. Watch out. If Murray was gettig 5-6 yrds before getting touched imagine a athlete like gurley.

 

[The Realist]

What has he done that would lead anybody to believe he is a better athlete than most DEs? IM not saying he's bad, but i just havent seen anything from him yet to say to myself. Dallas has something there to build on. What has he shown you that he hasnt shown the rest of us?

Us? I wasn't aware I was thenonly one that hasn't given up on him.

 

[AsthmaField]

The problem is that if teams think he will be ready for game 1, then he likely gets drafted before #27.

Although I was talking about being ready near the mid-point of the season, I do get your point... and you're right.

The only reason I think he might slide to 27 is because of the overall tendency in the NFL for backs to slide on draft day and the fact that he might not be ready to go from day 1. Whoever does draft him will probably put him on PUP for the first few weeks of the season and that combined with RB's sliding might put him near Dallas even though teams think he knee will be fine by mid season.

I guess I could sum it up like this: Overall, if it were my decision, I would probably shy away from Gurley at 27 honestly. I would rather get another player at 27 and then take a guy like Jay Ajayi (who I really, really like) in the second. I just think that would be the prudent way to go. RB's slide for a reason... because they aren't hard to find outside of round 1.

However, I do think there is a good chance Gurley is a very special player and I wouldn't have a fit if the Cowboys did take him at 27.

 

[The Realist]

Although I was talking about being ready near the mid-point of the season, I do get your point... and you're right.

The only reason I think he might slide to 27 is because of the overall tendency in the NFL for backs to slide on draft day and the fact that he might not be ready to go from day 1. Whoever does draft him will probably put him on PUP for the first few weeks of the season and that combined with RB's sliding might put him near Dallas even though teams think he knee will be fine by mid season.

I guess I could sum it up like this: Overall, if it were my decision, I would probably shy away from Gurley at 27 honestly. I would rather get another player at 27 and then take a guy like Jay Ajayi (who I really, really like) in the second. I just think that would be the prudent way to go. RB's slide for a reason... because they aren't hard to find outside of round 1.

However, I do think there is a good chance Gurley is a very special player and I wouldn't have a fit if the Cowboys did take him at 27.

My wanting to take Gurley is contingent on signing Suh or Hardy. Even with that I'd prefer Ajayi after taking Rollins or Dawson.

 

[AsthmaField]

My wanting to take Gurley is contingent on signing Suh or Hardy. Even with that I'd prefer Ajayi after taking Rollins or Dawson.

Suh in FA with Dawson and Ajayi in the first two rounds? Sign me up for that.

But yes, if Dallas doesn't sign Murray then I expect a good portion of the free agency dollars to go towards the DL and if that is the case and the DL got a major upgrade, then I'd be much more OK with Gurley.

If DL was reinforced via FA, I could also see a small trade back into the early part of the second round and picking up another 3rd. Then, in the first part of the second, Dallas getting a player they like in Dawson or Rollins, or even a guy like OL Cameron Erving, LB Denzel Perryman or CB Kevin Johnson.

Then, taking Ajayi at the end of the second and still having two thirds to use.

If Dallas wanted to go defense with both 2nd round picks, they could always try to get Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman or David Cobb with one of their thirds.

There are a ton of possibilities if Dallas addresses DL well in FA.

Heck, they might could even get Melvin Gordon in the early second with the way RB's tend to slide on draft day. I like him a lot as well. I haven't been banging the drum much for Gordon because I don't really want to use a first round pick on RB... but if he somehow slid to the beginning of the second because of how teams devalue RB, I'd love to have the guy.

I don't really expect him to be there though but if it did happen, he would be terrific value there.

 

[xwalker]

Although I was talking about being ready near the mid-point of the season, I do get your point... and you're right.

The only reason I think he might slide to 27 is because of the overall tendency in the NFL for backs to slide on draft day and the fact that he might not be ready to go from day 1. Whoever does draft him will probably put him on PUP for the first few weeks of the season and that combined with RB's sliding might put him near Dallas even though teams think he knee will be fine by mid season.

I guess I could sum it up like this: Overall, if it were my decision, I would probably shy away from Gurley at 27 honestly. I would rather get another player at 27 and then take a guy like Jay Ajayi (who I really, really like) in the second. I just think that would be the prudent way to go. RB's slide for a reason... because they aren't hard to find outside of round 1.

However, I do think there is a good chance Gurley is a very special player and I wouldn't have a fit if the Cowboys did take him at 27.

In general I would agree, but Gurley seems like a rare talent. He has a lot of AP similarities, IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If Dallas picked up a decent DE, decent DT and a corner via free agency I could see a RB taken in the 1st round.

They may have to pick up a vet RB via free agency just in case, but those guys are a dime a dozen.

 

[slick325]

Not a bad offseason at all LM....