My thoughts at WR: Dallas may go 6-deep, & I wouldn't count Holley out

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Holley can play the X WR spot. So can Hurd, seemingly, but he has to prove he can stay healthy. No other receiver on this team can CONSISTENTLY play the physical game that the X WR position demands (I'm talkin backups here - obviously Roy Willimas can play the X and is the clear starter there).

No, not even Crayton can play the X well. Austin and Ogleteree are clear-cut Y receivers (again, talking backups here - Crayton is the obvious Y receiver on this team and a darn good one). So don't count Holley out. He's having a very good preseason, both at WR and on specials and he can play the X.

The X WRs right now, in order, are Roy Williams, Sam Hurd, and Jesse Holley

The Y WRs right now, in order are Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, and Ogletree.

There's a good chance Dallas goes 6-deep at WR and keeps both Holley and Ogletree, since both primary backups at the X and Y WR spots (i.e. Hurd and Austin) are always injured.

And if Dallas decides to go 5-deep, don't be so sure Ogletree beats Holley out because any team would keep an X WR over a Y, simple because an X can usually play both X and Y, but Ys struggle to play the X.

The Non-factor in all of this IMHO is Stanback; too raw and too injured. He also projects as a Y WR, but right now Ogletree is outplaying him as a Y.

 

[CATCH17]

Miles plays some X too.

If he is in the game with Crayton or Stanback than he is the X.

And I think you meant Z instead of Y. Usually the TE is your Y.

 

[speedkilz88]

Holley?


Holley?

Holley?

 

[rojan]

Ive always read about this but never really asked people to expand on the topic..

The Z is the one lined up on the same side as the TE and usually gets more single coverage right?

what if we are playing a lot of 2TE sets..Does that change anything??

 

[DeaconBlues]

The only way Holley has an official Cowboy uni after final cuts is if he's brought back for the practice squad.

 

[speedkilz88]

The only way Holley has an official Cowboy uni after final cuts is if he's brought back for the practice squad.

Bingo.

 

[BigDFan5]

The only way Holley makes this team is if we keep 7 or 8 WRs not happening

 

[sureletsrace]

I think it's really funny that some of you guys make this big joke of Jesse Holley. The guy was on Cinci's WR squad, which was deep in '07 with Ocho and Housh.

I have a feeling that if this guy was not a winner of a reality show, alot of you would be rooting for him. Let the guy play. He hasn't looked bad at all. Don't be surprised if he's on our PS.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think it's really funny that some of you guys make this big joke of Jesse Holley. The guy was on Cinci's WR squad, which was deep in '07 with Ocho and Housh.

I have a feeling that if this guy was not a winner of a reality show, alot of you would be rooting for him. Let the guy play. He hasn't looked bad at all. Don't be surprised if he's on our PS.

Too many think the guy is good enough for the roster is the problem. The practice squad is the only way he is sticking around. Manuel Johnson is ahead of Holley.

 

[rojan]

I think it's really funny that some of you guys make this big joke of Jesse Holley. The guy was on Cinci's WR squad, which was deep in '07 with Ocho and Housh.

I have a feeling that if this guy was not a winner of a reality show, alot of you would be rooting for him. Let the guy play. He hasn't looked bad at all. Don't be surprised if he's on our PS.

We haven't even seen him do much for all of TC and PS..and Ive probably read his name a total of 5 times in Bolgs that have been covering all of the TC practices...

There is a better chance of us finally get them 2 1st round picks for Coakley than there is of him making the team...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Did someone really just suggest that Holley has even the slightest chance to make this team?

The only reason he is still here at all is the novelty act

 

[Bluefin]

The Z is the one lined up on the same side as the TE and usually gets more single coverage right?

The biggest difference in the two spots is that the X is usually going to be on the line of scrimmage and therefore easier to jam if the opposing corner decides to press.

If the tight end motions to the other side of the line, you will often see the wideout on that side reset so both aren't on the line.

Just being the X or Z doesn't dictate more single coverage, that is solely at the discretion of the defense and how they play their safeties.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Holley can play the X WR spot. So can Hurd, seemingly, but he has to prove he can stay healthy. No other receiver on this team can CONSISTENTLY play the physical game that the X WR position demands (I'm talkin backups here - obviously Roy Willimas can play the X and is the clear starter there).

No, not even Crayton can play the X well. Austin and Ogleteree are clear-cut Y receivers (again, talking backups here - Crayton is the obvious Y receiver on this team and a darn good one). So don't count Holley out. He's having a very good preseason, both at WR and on specials and he can play the X.

The X WRs right now, in order, are Roy Williams, Sam Hurd, and Jesse Holley

The Y WRs right now, in order are Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, and Ogletree.

There's a good chance Dallas goes 6-deep at WR and keeps both Holley and Ogletree, since both primary backups at the X and Y WR spots (i.e. Hurd and Austin) are always injured.

And if Dallas decides to go 5-deep, don't be so sure Ogletree beats Holley out because any team would keep an X WR over a Y, simple because an X can usually play both X and Y, but Ys struggle to play the X.

The Non-factor in all of this IMHO is Stanback; too raw and too injured. He also projects as a Y WR, but right now Ogletree is outplaying him as a Y.

Football fantasy camp is almost over for Holley, he will be flipping burgers in two weeks...

 

[The Quest for Six]

Did someone really just suggest that Holley has even the slightest chance to make this team?

The only reason he is still here at all is the novelty act

Narcotics are a wonderful thing in some peoples live

 

[rojan]

The biggest difference in the two spots is that the X is usually going to be on the line of scrimmage and therefore easier to jam if the opposing corner decides to press.

If the tight end motions to the other side of the line, you will often see the wideout on that side reset so both aren't on the line.

Just being the X or Z doesn't dictate more single coverage, that is solely at the discretion of the defense and how they play their safeties.

That's what I was thinking and I also went back and read Irvin comments on the situation that DCF posted.

I guess the main concern Irvin had was about fighting off the jam from the line of scrimmage opposed to being a couple yards off the ball.

we are going to be playing a lot of 2 TE sets and doesn't it move both receivers off of the ball?? (as long as they dont line up next to each other)

 

[Dallas]

I sure hope we can hang on to Manny Johnson.

I doubt he makes the roster but getting him on the PS would be nice.

 

[jchocolate82]

And if Dallas decides to go 5-deep, don't be so sure Ogletree beats Holley out because any team would keep an X WR over a Y, simple because an X can usually play both X and Y, but Ys struggle to play the X.

Dude really??? I try not to come on here and jump on ppls post cause everyone has the right to their opinion but come on that statement above is so rediculous that it leads me to think you're somehow friends with Holley or just a total homer for him. Holleys best chance of making this team is on the PS and no I'm not totally over looking the dude cause he was at a very bad disadvantage not being able to participate in OTAs and mini camps. I'm not gonna dismiss him just because he was rarely mentioned in the blogs cause he was far down the depth chart that his reps were extremely minimal but from what I read he caught pretty much everything thrown to him. I wont discount what your saying about Holley being able to physically handle the X position cause Irvin on his show stated the same thing but right now talent wise he's not gonna make the 53 and sure as hell wont beat out Ogletree who has really been coming on

 

[casmith07]

X.......TGCGT.........Z
......................Y......


If I'm not mistaken.

 

[Dallas]

X.......TGCGT.........Z
......................Y......


If I'm not mistaken.

you got it right...

you missed a period though after your Y, it's


Y ....... and not ......

 

[Dawgs0916]

Football fantasy camp is almost over for Holley, he will be flipping burgers in two weeks...

People like you really disgust me. Hes more of a football player than me or you could ever dream of being and he has been a part of the tram we root for for a month or whatever now.

When he is cut he'll start earning a living someway or other than flipping burgers he has a college education.

Why mock a man for not having what it takes to make a 53 man roster, when he has more ability than you could ever dream of having? That goes for holley and the rest of the players that get blasted.

They aren't going to be on the team so why knock them as people?