My thoughts on the Draft

[BARRYRAY]

Given the bad memory from Bobby Carpenter and some other misses, could we just take whoever somebody else recomends. I just think the cowboys miss as much as they hit. Honestly everybody who says draft a cb must not remember we drafted those two that were both busts. Wasn't one of them from West Texas somewhere. I mean the Cowboys have put themselves in the position wher all the picks have to be winners or we're in trouble. We need a rb, cb, and a wide receiver. that's hard to do with three picks. I just kept thinking we would fill one hole with a FA. Maybe we can unload a lb for a draft pick, cause we're gonna need as many as we can get. Honestly in my mind we have more success picking up FAs than draft picks. We got Big, Hamlin, Columbo,Johnson, TO, and actually Romo I guess-he was undrafted at any rate. I mean we drafted Spears, Carpenter, JJ, and alot of other can't miss prospects who I am trying desperately to forget. It hasn't been all bad but it hasn't been all good either..

 

[superpunk]

Given the bad memory from Bobby Carpenter and some other misses, could we just take whoever somebody else recomends. I just think the cowboys miss as much as they hit. Honestly everybody who says draft a cb must not remember we drafted those two that were both busts.

Oh hai...I'm Terrence Newman.

I mean the Cowboys have put themselves in the position wher all the picks have to be winners or we're in trouble. We need a rb, cb, and a wide receiver. that's hard to do with three picks. I just kept thinking we would fill one hole with a FA. Maybe we can unload a lb for a draft pick, cause we're gonna need as many as we can get. Honestly in my mind we have more success picking up FAs than draft picks. We got Big, Hamlin, Columbo,Johnson, TO, and actually Romo I guess-he was undrafted at any rate. I mean we drafted Spears, Carpenter, JJ, and alot of other can't miss prospects who I am trying desperately to forget. It hasn't been all bad but it hasn't been all good either..

Our drafts have been quite good. Look at all our young starters and role players who were drafted. Where would this team be without Ware, Canty, Barber, Ratliff, Adams, Gurode, James, Ellis, Spencer, Burnett, Spears, Crayton, Witten, and others? The draft built this team, we've supplemented with free agency where needed.

The formula for winning teams will always be the draft. And contrary to popular-hand-wringing belief, if you're hitting near 50% on your draft picks, in terms of them even getting on your team and contributing, you're doing a hell of a job.

 

[speedkilz88]

The drafting has been pretty good and the ones they have missed on high were mostly Parcell's pet cats. As long as they stick with what the scouts are recommending they should do a solid job again.

 

[Dodger]

Given the bad memory from Bobby Carpenter and some other misses, could we just take whoever somebody else recomends. I just think the cowboys miss as much as they hit. Honestly everybody who says draft a cb must not remember we drafted those two that were both busts.

I'm not exactly sure who you are talking about, but whether it's Reeves, Jones, Ball or Brown, all were 7th round picks, so when you look at their production compared to their draft status, I don't see how they could be called busts.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm not exactly sure who you are talking about, but whether it's Reeves, Jones, Ball or Brown, all were 7th round picks, so when you look at their production compared to their draft status, I don't see how they could be called busts.

He's talking about the Goodrich, Larrimore, and Edwards draft, which was the thinnest draft for cornerbacks I think I've ever seen and Larry Lacewell was in charge of drafting. This draft is looking to be one of the deepest at corner that I've seen except for not having an elite can't miss top five guy that the Cowboys wouldn't even have a chance at anyway.

 

[Dodger]

And contrary to popular-hand-wringing belief, if you're hitting near 50% on your draft picks, in terms of them even getting on your team and contributing, you're doing a hell of a job.

I made that same claim on another board and got a lot of grief for it. Just look at the draft history of any team, though, and it's pretty clear that this is the case. About half of all players drafted won't amount to much in the NFL...

 

[Dodger]

He's talking about the Goodrich, Larrimore, and Edwards draft, which was the thinnest draft for cornerbacks I think I've ever seen and Larry Lacewell was in charge of drafting. This draft is looking to be one of the deepest at corner that I've seen except for not having an elite can't miss top five guy that the Cowboys wouldn't even have a chance at anyway.

Ah...well, yeah, that 2000 draft was pretty bad in terms of DB talent. Aside from O'Neal, pretty much all the high picks were duds. Ahmed Plummer couldn't stay healthy. Mark Roman had 5 career picks in 8 seasons. Jason Webster was injury prone and never measured up to his 2nd round status. Ike Charlton, William Bartee, and Ben Kelly all had very short careers. And then there's Hank Poteat who just might be one of the better corners of that draft. He's still around. And whadayaknow...he's a free agent right now...

But yeah, not much talent there at all...

 

[Woods]

Ah...well, yeah, that 2000 draft was pretty bad in terms of DB talent. Aside from O'Neal, pretty much all the high picks were duds. Ahmed Plummer couldn't stay healthy. Mark Roman had 5 career picks in 8 seasons. Jason Webster was injury prone and never measured up to his 2nd round status. Ike Charlton, William Bartee, and Ben Kelly all had very short careers. And then there's Hank Poteat who just might be one of the better corners of that draft. He's still around. And whadayaknow...he's a free agent right now...

But yeah, not much talent there at all...

That really was bad CB talent!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Given the bad memory from Bobby Carpenter and some other misses, could we just take whoever somebody else recomends. I just think the cowboys miss as much as they hit. Honestly everybody who says draft a cb must not remember we drafted those two that were both busts.

I have no delusions that we can draft a CB who can start immediately.
That is why a Pac-Man (a proven commodity) or Samuels (the one who got away) would be the ticket as to CB.

Unless you are a Ware-type player, the development time is 1-2 years (Look at Spencer).

I am beginning to look at draft picks as developmental and FA as a surer route to the Super Bowl.
FA gives us the luxury of knowing how a player can play in the NFL. The draft does not.
FA can be expensive, but you gotta pay for quality players. The draft is a crapshoot.
FA is for the here and now. The draft is for a rainy day years down the rut.
What am I saying?
I have no idea. It's the offseason.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I have no delusions that we can draft a CB who can start immediately.
That is why a Pac-Man (a proven commodity) or Samuels (the one who got away) would be the ticket as to CB.

Unless you are a Ware-type player, the development time is 1-2 years (Look at Spencer).

I am beginning to look at draft picks as developmental and FA as a surer route to the Super Bowl.
FA gives us the luxury of knowing how a player can play in the NFL. The draft does not.
FA can be expensive, but you gotta pay for quality players. The draft is a crapshoot.
FA is for the here and now. The draft is for a rainy day years down the rut.
What am I saying?
I have no idea. It's the offseason.

I have to disagree about the draft. Good teams build through the draft, period.

Many teams have tried the "FA to SB" route and have come up short. Little Napoleon has proven you cant buy a championship.

A perfect example, all 22 starters for the Colts in their playoff game vs. the chargers last season were drafted.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am beginning to look at draft picks as developmental and FA as a surer route to the Super Bowl.
FA gives us the luxury of knowing how a player can play in the NFL. The draft does not.

I agree. After all, the Redskirts success in free agency has brought them so much success in the super bowl..........oh wait.

 

[jjktkk]

You can't be afraid of the draft because you might miss on a draft pick. You just got to have faith that the scouting department has done their job. I think that the rb class this year is very strong, so I really believe the cowboys will get a solid rb. their also seems to be a solid group of cb's this year as well. :starspin

 

[NextGenBoys]

I agree. After all, the Redskirts success in free agency has brought them so much success in the super bowl..........oh wait.

We cant really talk much smack there.

We really havent done much in the free agency period either. We won the SB the first year of existance, so that doesnt really count. The next year we lost to SF in the NFC title game, then won the SB again which would be the second offseason of free agency. Since then we've managed to go 1-6 in the playoffs. At least they've won a playoff game in the last 10 years.

Now, we're in MUCH better shape than they are looking ahead, and their approach to FA isn't exactly ideal, but I'm just saying we need to be objectional sometimes as well.

 

[BARRYRAY]

I just feel like we have to spend half our draft just getting replacements for Reeves and JJ, yet we havn't addressed WR, and somehow there's too may holes here to fill with draft picks. You are going to have to have a perfect draft, and that hasn't been our history. We have filled osme but not all that way. I keep thinking we roll the dice and chuck a lb for an extra pick. If we would do this now, it would give us time to see what we could then do with that extra pick, maybe move up or down and get a couple more..if we had just filled one of these holes with a FA. I guess I'm still rustrated that NE got the guy-wr from Miami for like a 6th round pick. You can find vets for cheap you just have to look or trade late rounder. I mean thats exactly how we got Terry Glenn..

 

[SMCowboy]

I just feel like we have to spend half our draft just getting replacements for Reeves and JJ, yet we havn't addressed WR, and somehow there's too may holes here to fill with draft picks. You are going to have to have a perfect draft, and that hasn't been our history. We have filled osme but not all that way. I keep thinking we roll the dice and chuck a lb for an extra pick. If we would do this now, it would give us time to see what we could then do with that extra pick, maybe move up or down and get a couple more..if we had just filled one of these holes with a FA. I guess I'm still rustrated that NE got the guy-wr from Miami for like a 6th round pick. You can find vets for cheap you just have to look or trade late rounder. I mean thats exactly how we got Terry Glenn..

Where are all of these holes that you talk about?

Yes, we need a CB and preferably 2, but that is all we have room for at CB. And adding a RB in the draft is certainly needed, but all we need is a change of pace RB and you can always find solid RB's as deep as the 3rd and 4th rounds if you choose wisely. And all we really have room for is 1 WR, 2 at the most if Glenn is not going to be around next year. And WR certainly does not HAVE to be a guy who makes it, that is why we want to start now, since we still have several years till we would really need the WR to contribute.

We have two first round picks, as well as picks in rounds 2-7. That gives us 8 picks. We can easily fill all our "needs" in the first three rounds and have the second half of the day to use for tring to get a Diamond in the rough and adding extra depth.

 

[Maxmadden]

I just feel like we have to spend half our draft just getting replacements for Reeves and JJ, yet we havn't addressed WR, and somehow there's too may holes here to fill with draft picks. You are going to have to have a perfect draft, and that hasn't been our history. We have filled osme but not all that way. I keep thinking we roll the dice and chuck a lb for an extra pick. If we would do this now, it would give us time to see what we could then do with that extra pick, maybe move up or down and get a couple more..if we had just filled one of these holes with a FA. I guess I'm still rustrated that NE got the guy-wr from Miami for like a 6th round pick. You can find vets for cheap you just have to look or trade late rounder. I mean thats exactly how we got Terry Glenn..

I could be wrong but wasn't it a 2cond and 6th for Welker?