My thoughts on the Ellis-Glover situation.

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Ellis: I don't see why we should get rid of this guy. He got us 8 sacks and barely even really played this year. Another reason why is other then Canty and Spears who do we have? Coleman? We dont really have any depth there and I dont think drafting a rookie De (Lawson unless we use him like Ware) would be a good idea. We need SOME experiance on the D-line, and thats what Ellis is. Sure he voices his opinion sometimes, but wouldnt you if you were being treated like he is? Dont get rid of Ellis, we NEED him.

Glover: Sort of a different story. Glover is probaly better at what he does then Ellis, but he plays a much larger 3-4 role then Ellis does. We need some1 whose 320+ pounds there who just has a mean streek about him (like a rodgers on the lions or a hampton on the steelers) I watched the probowl like many of you and as Im sure you noticed he wasn't even into affect and it was 4-3. I know many will say Oh it was the probowl but the guy didnt even get close to a QB.

I think this league is what have you done for me now and what can you do for me in the future. Ellis is that now guy, he needs a larger role. Glover, he was that guy, but its time to move on.

I for one will be very disapointed if we let Ellis go and I wont jump for joy if we cut glover but I wont exactly dred over it either

 

[AbeBeta]

I for one think that neither has a role here next year.

But since we have the cap space we need to play chicken with the rest of the league. No use releasing these guys if we don't have to without getting something back.

After all, isn't that why we've fought so hard to be in good cap shape in the first place?

 

[neosapien23]

I for one think that neither has a role here next year.

But since we have the cap space we need to play chicken with the rest of the league. No use releasing these guys if we don't have to without getting something back.

After all, isn't that why we've fought so hard to be in good cap shape in the first place?

Exactly. Why just give these guys away? If a team won't give us a fair trade than neither player should hit the market. At least a third for Ellis and at least a 4th for Glover. Otherwise we will just keep them as rotational players.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Exactly. Why just give these guys away? If a team won't give us a fair trade than neither player should hit the market. At least a third for Ellis and at least a 4th for Glover. Otherwise we will just keep them as rotational players.

Ellis was a good nickel rusher. I like him back.

Glover is a great player. He played really well for us since we signed him, but he just doesn't fit where our defense is headed. If I'm not mistaken, trading or releasing him would cost us $1.2million, keepig him would be $7+million, that's too steep for a role player

 

[jterrell]

I'd still like to see the 3-4 feature a DL of Ellis, Ferguson, Glover.

Glover is the best of the undersized, gap shooting DTs. He can play some DE IMHO in the 3-4. The size and strength you get wih Ferguson and Glover should allow to you protect Ellis against the run.

DL2 would be Canty, Pepper Johnon(draftee hopefully), Spears.

That 2 deep DL rotation IMHO would give us a top 10 defense.

 

[ghst187]

Ellis: I don't see why we should get rid of this guy. He got us 8 sacks and barely even really played this year. Another reason why is other then Canty and Spears who do we have? Coleman? We dont really have any depth there and I dont think drafting a rookie De (Lawson unless we use him like Ware) would be a good idea.

Ratliff and Pepper Johnson. I can't imagine why we'd keep Coleman since even the rookie Ratliff was better and will be back from last year's injury.
Ratliff is a pretty darn good player and will provide great rotation.
Pepper J is more of a DT in the nickel but he's pretty darned tough and it sounded like BP really liked him last offseason. I thought he played well when he was in there too.
One thing is for sure, I LOVE THE FIRE AND HUNGER THESE TWO GUYS PLAY WITH!

I love Glover, but I think he is pretty expendable. I would prefer to bring in Kemoeatu at NT and trade Glover. That'd give us: Spears, Canty, Fergi for one rotation with Ratliff, Ellis, Kemo, and Pepper J as backup rotators.
To be completely honest, I'd prefer to have Kemo over Fergi and keep Glover. Glover playing the nickel and Kemo playing the running downs. Fergi doesn't seem to be an ideal 3-4 NT. JMO

 

[ravidubey]

Our best front seven players last year were Ellis, Dat, Ware, Glover, James, and Singleton with a dropoff after that. We have two highly touted draft picks at DE who barely flashed any talent last year-- not a good sign-- and an ancient and expensive FA NT who can't beat a guy he outweighs by 25 pounds. We have two functioning LB's and we're supposed to start four-- exactly why are we running a 3-4 again?

Dallas can't afford to lose Ellis and Glover and have any hope of improving (unless we draft all defense and sign impact FA's).

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Ratliff and Pepper Johnson. I can't imagine why we'd keep Coleman since even the rookie Ratliff was better and will be back from last year's injury.
Ratliff is a pretty darn good player and will provide great rotation.
Pepper J is more of a DT in the nickel but he's pretty darned tough and it sounded like BP really liked him last offseason. I thought he played well when he was in there too.
One thing is for sure, I LOVE THE FIRE AND HUNGER THESE TWO GUYS PLAY WITH!

I love Glover, but I think he is pretty expendable. I would prefer to bring in Kemoeatu at NT and trade Glover. That'd give us: Spears, Canty, Fergi for one rotation with Ratliff, Ellis, Kemo, and Pepper J as backup rotators.
To be completely honest, I'd prefer to have Kemo over Fergi and keep Glover. Glover playing the nickel and Kemo playing the running downs. Fergi doesn't seem to be an ideal 3-4 NT. JMO

I agree with you that Ratliff and Pepper have good POTENTIAL but i just would rather go into this year relying on skill and not potentential know what i mean? i have have high hopes for those 2 though

 

[Eskimo]

Why pay Glover $7M to be a backup NT and put up 3 sacks a year? Those who don't think Glover is in decline are probably in denial. I would be happy to get a 4th rounder for him but the problem is that he is due a $2M roster bonus the first day of league business and it is very questionable whether any team will give us anything of significance to negotiate a deal with Glover at his age.

 

[david_jackson]

While I agree that Glover's performance/potential may be below what would justify keeping him at his current cap level and agree that trading him with a large early cap hit is unlikely, I am not sure how relevent the fact that he only had 3 sack. A 3-4 NT can have 1 sack and have a great year if no one runs up the middle all year and consistantly occupies 2 men. I just don't think the sack stat is a good barometer for NT production

 

[Eskimo]

While I agree that Glover's performance/potential may be below what would justify keeping him at his current cap level and agree that trading him with a large early cap hit is unlikely, I am not sure how relevent the fact that he only had 3 sack. A 3-4 NT can have 1 sack and have a great year if no one runs up the middle all year and consistantly occupies 2 men. I just don't think the sack stat is a good barometer for NT production

Glover probably played a lot in the 4-2 nickel in his traditional DT role - he was fairly unproductive this year - Ware and Ellis were the ones bringing the heat most consistently. I really suspect his decline has begun. He has been unusually productive for a finesse tackle this late in his career.

He would probably be more productive as a pass rushing specialist in a 4-3 defense.

 

[neosapien23]

Why pay Glover $7M to be a backup NT and put up 3 sacks a year? Those who don't think Glover is in decline are probably in denial. I would be happy to get a 4th rounder for him but the problem is that he is due a $2M roster bonus the first day of league business and it is very questionable whether any team will give us anything of significance to negotiate a deal with Glover at his age.

Why would teams give up a 2nd rounder for Ray Lewis and only a fourth for Glover? It's statements like this that make me believe the Ravens are lying about Lewis's trade value. If we can't get a 4th rounder for Glover, a trade involving Glover straight up for Ray Lewis might be to our benefit.

 

[Eskimo]

Why would teams give up a 2nd rounder for Ray Lewis and only a fourth for Glover? It's statements like this that make me believe the Ravens are lying about Lewis's trade value. If we can't get a 4th rounder for Glover, a trade involving Glover straight up for Ray Lewis might be to our benefit.

The thing about Glover is he only has one year left on his contract at a fairly expensive salary - it is unlikely any team is going to want to work out a long-term deal with him. This means that no one is going to want to give up big bucks for him. The only exception would be a team like to Broncos could consider him if they thought he could put them over the top but they are pretty hard up against the cap themselves. If we were to work out a deal where we paid most of Glover's salary and then traded him, they might be willing to bite. I'd just question whether such a deal is really in our best interest anyway - perhaps for a 2nd rounder but not a 4th rounder.

I really doubt anyone would give up a second for Ray Lewis at this point in his career - he has been pretty fragile recently. He will be 31 years old before the start of the 2006 season, already has 10 years of NFL wear and tear on his body and has missed 10 or more games in 2 of the past 4 seasons, including last season.

His contract is also fairly expensive over the next 3 years according to the NFLPA:
2006 5500000.00
2007 6500000.00
2008 6500000.00

On top of all that, he probably wouldn't survive a full year in a 3-4 defense.

He may still have some value to a 4-3 team looking to beef up its run defense and looking for a "spiritual leader".

 

[neosapien23]

I honestly believe Greg Ellis could bring in a 2nd round pick. Maybe the Cowboys organization could put out "feelers" on a possible trade. We could use that extra 2nd round pick on a guard like Lutui or Spencer. We could also use that pick on a RT like O'Callaghan or Trueblood.

 

[cobra]

I'm almost positive we get Ellis back.

I think we will not retain Glover. I would hope that we can get something for him and not have to release him outright. But I don't think we will get much (no more than a 3rd) or a lesser player (that fits better) in return.

Maybe we can get some guy that would be an improvement at Fullback/Polite or WR/Cooper/Merrit for him.