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Just a little thought about Romo, and to all those Romo-haters out there. Im not a Romo-lover right now, Im just a Cowboys fan who wants the best for our team. The point Ill try to make is that Romo is not the Problem here. He´s not the reason why we arent succesfull as a team, and he´s not certainly the one to blame.
I dont want to say that he doesnt have a few aspects to improve in his game, like a little few turnovers, or saying it better, to understand better the flow of games. There are certain times on matches that we're doing just fine running the ball, or ahead on the score, and he does those risky throws. He surely has to avoid those. He should understand that he's on a team and sometimes the team is the one that should win games, not always he need to throw for 300+ yards or 3+ TDs to win.
But then again, I went to NFL.com to search the stats of, who I think is the best or one of the best QBs all time, Peyton Manning.
Comparisons are sometimes not so useful, because Romo wasnt playing on those Colts teams, and Manning isnt playing here. But just for knowing that a P.Manning isnt build in a day:

The first Years of P.Manning:

98: 56.7 % of completions, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 22 Sacks, 3 Fumbles.
99: 62.1 % , 26 TDs, 15 INTs, 14 sacks 6 Fumbles
00: 62.5 % , 33 TDs, 15 INTs, 20 Sacks, 5 Fumbles
01: 62.7 % , 26 TDs, 23 INTs, 29 Sacks, 7 Fumbles
02: 66.3 % , 27 TDs, 19 INTs, 23 Sacks, 6 Fumbles.

And then, I went to the T.Romo's:

06: 65.3%, 19 TDs, 13 INTs, 21 Sacks, 9 Fumbles. (10 games)
07: 64.4%, 36 TDs, 19 INTs, 24 Sacks, 10 Fumbles.
08: 61.3%, 26 TDs, 14 INTs, 20 Sacks, 13 Fumbles.

If you take the turnovers stats, You´ll find that Manning in his first 3 years threw 57 picks, made 18 fumbles, which makes 75 total turnovers. Tony threw 46 Ints, has lost 32 fumbles (oh my, that are a lot of em..) but totals.. 78 Turnovers. Just 3 more that Peyton. I wonder if they wanted to kick Peyton out of town or starting to call him Turnover-Peyton or something like that.

Well, now, I remember the Colts of his early days, and still till these days, and Indianapolis never had good Defences. If they hadnt succeded, it could be the Ds fault, not his own. Or maybe it takes time to take your play to the next level. Manning won the SB in 07, at the end of the 06 campaign. It was 8 years after he entered the NFL.
Our Tony started playing in 06, he will have 8 years of playing just in the 2014... Are he going to last that long on our team? Im sure that he wont... But if he arrives to his top in let say... two years by now, are we going to kick him before?

Yes, the Colts run a passing-first offense and that leads you to more Turnovers. We are more a balanced-type O (or we are trying to be so...), so that should prevent your Qb of throwing those picks, and losing that fumbles. Yeah, Tony should improve his decision making, and understand that he has a good team and sometimes, he should just let the team carry him to the win, not viceversa.

But Tony's not the problem here. Where is the problem so? My bet is that our team is a good one. A really good one. I dont know if its great. Tony must improve, the receivers must improve, and certainly, the Defense MUST improve and get some pressure and some sacks and some picks out there.

These are my 2 cents on the Romo situation, and yes, of course I would take Troy over Tony, thats an obvious. But you cant always get a Troy, and a Tony should do fine, really fine.

If this can win you a SB, then Tony should, he just need to rely on his team a little more:
04: 48.2%, 6 TDs, 9 INTs, 13 Sacks, 3 Fumbles (7 games)
05: 52.8%, 24 TDs, 17 INTs, 28 Sacks, 9 Fumbles
06: 57.7%, 24 TDs, 18 INTs, 25 Sacks, 9 Fumbles
07: 56.1%, 23 TDs, 20 INTs, 27 Sacks, 13 Fumbles.

Those are Eli´s stats his first 3 1/2 years... And then he learned, lets say, to manage better his game, his decision making and to let his team win some games that he can´t. Hey, I hate Eli more than anyone out there, Im just saying that you dont need a Peyton out there to win the game. You need a clever QB. Tony needs to be clever out there and we are going to be great.

(sorry for my english, Im from Argentina and that was my best effort).
 

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Stats? Stats? STATS?????????????????????:bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2:

Thats the problem with this team now. Stat loving, "we are 13-3", losers!
 

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We are not 13-3.

We are 1-1.

And Im saying Tony must improve his game decision making. That´s not a stat. Did you read anything that Ive wrote?
 

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Parche;2972721 said:
We are not 13-3.

We are 1-1.

And Im saying Tony must improve his game decision making. That´s not a stat. Did you read anything that Ive wrote?



I saw you were trying to compare Romo to Peyton Manning and I'm tired of looking at that silly comparison. Either you win or you don't man.
 

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That's right. And Im trying to say that if we don't go all the way is a TEAM problem, not a Tony's.

Take Romo out our team and put whoever you want. If our D doesnt put pressure on QBs and if we dont force turnovers, and if we dont run routes well and make catches, It wont matter who you have at center.

Im saying Romo's fine, the Team's not. We should execute better.

But youre welcome if you dont agree.
 

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Thanks, YoMick made it for me. Thinking bout it, I could look for a Megadeth version too...
 

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We all want the Cowboys to win. Hell, I want them to win every game and the Super Bowl every year.

I certainly don't believe Tony is the main problem in Dallas either. But, he has his problems.

The defense, yes, this so called defense, THERE is where the real problems lay.

But, to say Tony isn't to blame? Yes, he is, as well as the rest of the team. Those risky throws that "he shouldn't throw and knows he shouldn't, but does". That's a problem.

Those few little turnovers are a serious problem..

And the fact that the defense doesn't get ANY turnovers in two games?

That is a BIGGER problem IMO.
 

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Nice job Parche. People who dislike Tony need to think about all the floundering we did at that position from the time Aikman left. Which of the QB's that started for us in that span would you rather have? Bledsoe? Testeverde? Quincy? Or any of the others? Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's don't grow on trees. If they did everyone team would have a super QB. Tony is a good QB with the ability to be a super QB. He is is only in his 3rd full year of starting.
 

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Exactly. These are my thoughts too cml750.

And Qman17, we aggree on almost everything... Im saying he has to quit with those bad decisions and with those throws that he shouldnt make. He must quit with those things that prevent his team from winning.

And Im 110% with you, Defense and turnovers must improve starting from tonight if we want to play after december...
 

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stilltheguru;2972727 said:
I saw you were trying to compare Romo to Peyton Manning and I'm tired of looking at that silly comparison. Either you win or you don't man.

Are you really so dense that you don't see the point he is making, or are you just pretending?
 

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Parche;2972592 said:
Just a little thought about Romo, and to all those Romo-haters out there. Im not a Romo-lover right now, Im just a Cowboys fan who wants the best for our team. The point Ill try to make is that Romo is not the Problem here. He´s not the reason why we arent succesfull as a team, and he´s not certainly the one to blame.
I dont want to say that he doesnt have a few aspects to improve in his game, like a little few turnovers, or saying it better, to understand better the flow of games. There are certain times on matches that we're doing just fine running the ball, or ahead on the score, and he does those risky throws. He surely has to avoid those. He should understand that he's on a team and sometimes the team is the one that should win games, not always he need to throw for 300+ yards or 3+ TDs to win.
But then again, I went to NFL.com to search the stats of, who I think is the best or one of the best QBs all time, Peyton Manning.
Comparisons are sometimes not so useful, because Romo wasnt playing on those Colts teams, and Manning isnt playing here. But just for knowing that a P.Manning isnt build in a day:

The first Years of P.Manning:

98: 56.7 % of completions, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 22 Sacks, 3 Fumbles.
99: 62.1 % , 26 TDs, 15 INTs, 14 sacks 6 Fumbles
00: 62.5 % , 33 TDs, 15 INTs, 20 Sacks, 5 Fumbles
01: 62.7 % , 26 TDs, 23 INTs, 29 Sacks, 7 Fumbles
02: 66.3 % , 27 TDs, 19 INTs, 23 Sacks, 6 Fumbles.

And then, I went to the T.Romo's:

06: 65.3%, 19 TDs, 13 INTs, 21 Sacks, 9 Fumbles. (10 games)
07: 64.4%, 36 TDs, 19 INTs, 24 Sacks, 10 Fumbles.
08: 61.3%, 26 TDs, 14 INTs, 20 Sacks, 13 Fumbles.

If you take the turnovers stats, You´ll find that Manning in his first 3 years threw 57 picks, made 18 fumbles, which makes 75 total turnovers. Tony threw 46 Ints, has lost 32 fumbles (oh my, that are a lot of em..) but totals.. 78 Turnovers. Just 3 more that Peyton. I wonder if they wanted to kick Peyton out of town or starting to call him Turnover-Peyton or something like that.

Well, now, I remember the Colts of his early days, and still till these days, and Indianapolis never had good Defences. If they hadnt succeded, it could be the Ds fault, not his own. Or maybe it takes time to take your play to the next level. Manning won the SB in 07, at the end of the 06 campaign. It was 8 years after he entered the NFL.
Our Tony started playing in 06, he will have 8 years of playing just in the 2014... Are he going to last that long on our team? Im sure that he wont... But if he arrives to his top in let say... two years by now, are we going to kick him before?

Yes, the Colts run a passing-first offense and that leads you to more Turnovers. We are more a balanced-type O (or we are trying to be so...), so that should prevent your Qb of throwing those picks, and losing that fumbles. Yeah, Tony should improve his decision making, and understand that he has a good team and sometimes, he should just let the team carry him to the win, not viceversa.

But Tony's not the problem here. Where is the problem so? My bet is that our team is a good one. A really good one. I dont know if its great. Tony must improve, the receivers must improve, and certainly, the Defense MUST improve and get some pressure and some sacks and some picks out there.

These are my 2 cents on the Romo situation, and yes, of course I would take Troy over Tony, thats an obvious. But you cant always get a Troy, and a Tony should do fine, really fine.

If this can win you a SB, then Tony should, he just need to rely on his team a little more:
04: 48.2%, 6 TDs, 9 INTs, 13 Sacks, 3 Fumbles (7 games)
05: 52.8%, 24 TDs, 17 INTs, 28 Sacks, 9 Fumbles
06: 57.7%, 24 TDs, 18 INTs, 25 Sacks, 9 Fumbles
07: 56.1%, 23 TDs, 20 INTs, 27 Sacks, 13 Fumbles.

Those are Eli´s stats his first 3 1/2 years... And then he learned, lets say, to manage better his game, his decision making and to let his team win some games that he can´t. Hey, I hate Eli more than anyone out there, Im just saying that you dont need a Peyton out there to win the game. You need a clever QB. Tony needs to be clever out there and we are going to be great.

(sorry for my english, Im from Argentina and that was my best effort).

Your english is better than 90% of Americans.
 

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kmd24, Yes, I know. But most of the time if you pick the ball back or lost the ball, doesnt depend on your Qb.
I wanted to point out the times the Qb lost the ball on a fumble, apart of the fact that the ball was lost or not.

Sureletsrace: Thanks, it's really frustrating when I want to say something and can't find the words in english. Im happy if you can get the main idea at least.
 

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stilltheguru;2972727 said:
I saw you were trying to compare Romo to Peyton Manning and I'm tired of looking at that silly comparison. Either you win or you don't man.

Ok, then who do we compare him with? Would you rather us compare Romo to the average and below average QB's that can't hold Romo's jock?

At least these statistics paint a picture that Peyton and Romo have had a very similar first 4 years in the league, and as soon as Peyton won that Superbowl, everyone conveninetly forgot how much the media tore him up for not being good enough to win the big ones that count.

It is erie how similar the media treated Peyton until he won that SB.
 

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rexrobinson;2972961 said:
Ok, then who do we compare him with? Would you rather us compare Romo to the average and below average QB's that can't hold Romo's jock?

At least these statistics paint a picture that Peyton and Romo have had a very similar first 4 years in the league, and as soon as Peyton won that Superbowl, everyone conveninetly forgot how much the media tore him up for not being good enough to win the big ones that count.

It is erie how similar the media treated Peyton until he won that SB.

That's what I was trying to say too. And let me add that I was one that doubt that Peyton could won the big one or not. I remember watching those PO matches with the Colts, knowing that after all was said and done, the Colts would fell short.

But dont misunderstand, I dont think that Romo will be Peyton Manning some day. He wont. I hope Romo can turn into a solid starter, even one of the best of these times, and just stay in the pack of the 5,6 best QBs for a few good years. If he's clever enough, hopefully that is going to happen.
 
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