My (Very Naive) Dak Post

[RonWashington]

Maddening!

Don’t blame Madden

 

[xwalker]

This will be a TL;DR post. Sorry.

I am a Dak supporter.

I am a football fan. I voluntarily follow the Cowboys to my own detriment and have for my 36 years of life. I was 7 the last time they were in an NFC Championship game. I’ve stuck by this team through the Campo years, the Quincy Carter years, the Garrett years, and have felt true hopelessness with no end in sight. I choose to continue to root for this team despite all the things we see (and don’t see) from Jerry and company. I used to defend Jerry too. Now, I can’t. He’s really shown his true character lately and I can’t abide his personal decisions, nor the way he runs my favorite team.

I am not blind to Dak’s shortcomings. I root for him because he is the QB of my favorite team. He will be the QB of my favorite team for this year and at least the next 3 years, barring some unfortunate injury or something detrimental. I wanted Dak to be resigned for the most part. Not because I’m delusional and think he’s a top 3 QB in the league, but because I follow the NFL closely enough to feel that I have good understanding of the QB market and have seen the way this front office has evaluated and acquired the QB position since Aikman retired. It hasn’t been good. The high round QBs this FO have been linked to in recent memory like Manziel and Paxton Lynch have been nothing short of busts. We also know that this FO seems to value a quantity of draft picks more than having a small number of quality draft picks, and so I do not trust the FO to leverage future 1st and 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take a QB that I feel would be better than Dak, or close enough to Dak that the cap savings would make up the difference in talent. With our luck if they didn’t sign Dak and traded up we’d draft Shedeur Sanders (who I think will be Jameis Winston at best) and be even more of a clown show than we already are.

If Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson was our coach, I would feel much differently. IF we had a coach that I felt could create a schematic advantage with any top 25 QB, or even a journeyman QB like Darnold or Cousins I would likely have advocated for the FO to move on from Dak as strongly as the staunchest anti-Dak posters on this board. But we don’t have that. We have McCarthy. And even though this is highly likely his last year, does anyone trust Jerry to take the risk and hire an innovative offensive mind? I don’t. I think Jerry will do what he always does and hire a retread like Belichick. Yes, Bill may instill some discipline, and who knows, maybe he’s seen enough of the modern NFL to hire an innovative OC, but NOTHING that Jerry and co. have done in the past have made me think that’s anywhere in the realm of possible in the near future. Therefore, in my mind, the best chance we have is with QB who has shown the ability to make all the throws, who has now almost a decade of starting experience for the Dallas Cowboys at QB, and who, for the most part, has shown an ability to continue to improve each year, provided he has enough around him to support him. I am nowhere close to a “Dak over Cowboys fan.” I just genuinely don’t see the point in hating him. He is our QB, and we should all be rooting for him to overcome his demons, get better, and win. He’s shown he can do it. He just needs to do it consistently.

I do not blame Dak for the poor showings this season, even despite his price tag. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find examples of a QB elevating a team this devoid of both talent and creative coaching/play calling any more than Dak has. Yes, he’s made some bad throws and reads. But, between having no defense, one good receiver who get blanketed every game, no running game, and a patchwork O-line with one great player (Martin picked a terrible year to fall off) and two bad tackles, I genuinely cannot blame Dak. I do blame him for the SF playoff losses. Those were examples of games that he had enough to work with that he should have put the team on his back. I blame him for some of the regular season losses in prior years against good teams where a QB who is paid a max deal should elevate his team. But I watch enough football to know that even the best QBs have those games and are often carried by their teams. Look at Mahomes’ stats and play on a freaking undefeated Chiefs team this year. He’s been helped so much by coaching and defense and a run game. It’s downright asinine to expect anything more out of Dak this year with how bad literally every facet of players and coaching have been just because of the deal he got. Dak got a max deal because that’s how the QB market works. By this time next year, he’ll be the third or fourth highest paid QB. It is what it is.

I can’t believe the number of posters I see who put forth the notion that Dak, Martin, pretty much every player who has signed a deal with Dallas, etc., are intentionally fleecing the FO, and the idea that they should evaluate themselves the way the angry fans on this board do and intentionally play for less than they could get because they aren’t as good as fans’ perception of their contract. Do you guys not realize how absolutely insane that line of thought is in the world of NFL contracts/markets/agents, etc.? And then to question the character of players for simply being paid what they can get? Do you guys know the amount of work it takes to make the NFL, let alone play for a decade and make multiple pro bowls? Do you work hard at anything in life? Do you build up to something and then decide to just get lazy one day? No. You work hard and keep that mentality for life and continue to build on it and apply it to everything you do. You never think that you aren’t as good, because people who are good at something don’t think that way. You have confidence that continues to grow. You even have a little bit of controlled arrogance. It comes with the territory of putting in the work to become elite at something. If you’ve never done that in your career and seen the merits of your hard work being rewarded then I hope you do one day, because it’s one of the best feelings there is in life. It’s downright stupid to expect anything other than this mentality from professional athletes. Especially when they have to make pretty much all of the money they and their families will live on for life in 10-15 years AT MOST.

Finally, Dak has never done anything to make me question his character. He seems to be a genuinely good person, and I think it speaks to the poor character of some posters/fans when they try to conflate his poor play on the field with his character. The only time I go hard at the ant-Dak crowd is when they start ripping his character or assigning motivations to his actions that have no basis in reality out of pure anger. I get it. We are all sick of this teams’ mediocrity. We’re all numb at this point after years of hopeful seasons and offseasons. We’ve been punched in the gut as fans virtually every way possible over and over and over again, and there seems to be no end in sight when our moronic owner continues to double and triple down on his arrogant, ignorant approach to running this team. But don’t let your frustrations turn you into the type of person that goes after a player’s character, especially when there’s 0 evidence of them being a bad person in this day and age.

My point in saying all this? I’m a Dak fan because he’s a good dude who is the QB of my favorite team. I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan. But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump? Why constantly attack his character and motivations? Can you not see that any assertions you make against his character are just your anger at feeling completely helpless over this teams’ continued failures manifesting? We all choose this fandom. We choose to feel like this. Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adversity? That does not mean you shouldn’t criticize or hope for the team to move on when the time comes if that is warranted. The pro-Dak and anti-Dak crowds really love generalizing one another, but I really don’t know of any (of the few) staunch pro-Dak posters I see on here who would follow Dak to another team over the Cowboys. No one should be attacked by their fellow fans for rooting for a player on the team to do well. At the same time, no pro-Dak supporter should be blind to his shortcomings and not acknowledge bad play or problematic trends when they arise. Frustrated fans aren’t “haters” as long as they keep the frustration to football and not make it personal.

This post is probably very naïve, and certainly too long. I just think it would benefit many to step back and think about your fandom and save all the vitriol for the front office and for the Eagles. Screw the Eagles. Stop using it against the players who are trying to get better/right the ship, and especially against your fellow fans on an anonymous internet forum.

Good post.

Dak, Purdy and Goff are all on similar talent levels. Coaching, scheme and supporting cast determine the results.

All succeed when their team plays good defense and has a quality run game. All struggle otherwise.

The Niners and Lions obviously have better offensive coaching/schemes.

What is Purdy's records without Christian McCaffrey?

 

[JoeKing]

This will be a TL;DR post. Sorry.

I am a Dak supporter.

I am a football fan. I voluntarily follow the Cowboys to my own detriment and have for my 36 years of life. I was 7 the last time they were in an NFC Championship game. I’ve stuck by this team through the Campo years, the Quincy Carter years, the Garrett years, and have felt true hopelessness with no end in sight. I choose to continue to root for this team despite all the things we see (and don’t see) from Jerry and company. I used to defend Jerry too. Now, I can’t. He’s really shown his true character lately and I can’t abide his personal decisions, nor the way he runs my favorite team.

I am not blind to Dak’s shortcomings. I root for him because he is the QB of my favorite team. He will be the QB of my favorite team for this year and at least the next 3 years, barring some unfortunate injury or something detrimental. I wanted Dak to be resigned for the most part. Not because I’m delusional and think he’s a top 3 QB in the league, but because I follow the NFL closely enough to feel that I have good understanding of the QB market and have seen the way this front office has evaluated and acquired the QB position since Aikman retired. It hasn’t been good. The high round QBs this FO have been linked to in recent memory like Manziel and Paxton Lynch have been nothing short of busts. We also know that this FO seems to value a quantity of draft picks more than having a small number of quality draft picks, and so I do not trust the FO to leverage future 1st and 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take a QB that I feel would be better than Dak, or close enough to Dak that the cap savings would make up the difference in talent. With our luck if they didn’t sign Dak and traded up we’d draft Shedeur Sanders (who I think will be Jameis Winston at best) and be even more of a clown show than we already are.

If Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson was our coach, I would feel much differently. IF we had a coach that I felt could create a schematic advantage with any top 25 QB, or even a journeyman QB like Darnold or Cousins I would likely have advocated for the FO to move on from Dak as strongly as the staunchest anti-Dak posters on this board. But we don’t have that. We have McCarthy. And even though this is highly likely his last year, does anyone trust Jerry to take the risk and hire an innovative offensive mind? I don’t. I think Jerry will do what he always does and hire a retread like Belichick. Yes, Bill may instill some discipline, and who knows, maybe he’s seen enough of the modern NFL to hire an innovative OC, but NOTHING that Jerry and co. have done in the past have made me think that’s anywhere in the realm of possible in the near future. Therefore, in my mind, the best chance we have is with QB who has shown the ability to make all the throws, who has now almost a decade of starting experience for the Dallas Cowboys at QB, and who, for the most part, has shown an ability to continue to improve each year, provided he has enough around him to support him. I am nowhere close to a “Dak over Cowboys fan.” I just genuinely don’t see the point in hating him. He is our QB, and we should all be rooting for him to overcome his demons, get better, and win. He’s shown he can do it. He just needs to do it consistently.

I do not blame Dak for the poor showings this season, even despite his price tag. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find examples of a QB elevating a team this devoid of both talent and creative coaching/play calling any more than Dak has. Yes, he’s made some bad throws and reads. But, between having no defense, one good receiver who get blanketed every game, no running game, and a patchwork O-line with one great player (Martin picked a terrible year to fall off) and two bad tackles, I genuinely cannot blame Dak. I do blame him for the SF playoff losses. Those were examples of games that he had enough to work with that he should have put the team on his back. I blame him for some of the regular season losses in prior years against good teams where a QB who is paid a max deal should elevate his team. But I watch enough football to know that even the best QBs have those games and are often carried by their teams. Look at Mahomes’ stats and play on a freaking undefeated Chiefs team this year. He’s been helped so much by coaching and defense and a run game. It’s downright asinine to expect anything more out of Dak this year with how bad literally every facet of players and coaching have been just because of the deal he got. Dak got a max deal because that’s how the QB market works. By this time next year, he’ll be the third or fourth highest paid QB. It is what it is.

I can’t believe the number of posters I see who put forth the notion that Dak, Martin, pretty much every player who has signed a deal with Dallas, etc., are intentionally fleecing the FO, and the idea that they should evaluate themselves the way the angry fans on this board do and intentionally play for less than they could get because they aren’t as good as fans’ perception of their contract. Do you guys not realize how absolutely insane that line of thought is in the world of NFL contracts/markets/agents, etc.? And then to question the character of players for simply being paid what they can get? Do you guys know the amount of work it takes to make the NFL, let alone play for a decade and make multiple pro bowls? Do you work hard at anything in life? Do you build up to something and then decide to just get lazy one day? No. You work hard and keep that mentality for life and continue to build on it and apply it to everything you do. You never think that you aren’t as good, because people who are good at something don’t think that way. You have confidence that continues to grow. You even have a little bit of controlled arrogance. It comes with the territory of putting in the work to become elite at something. If you’ve never done that in your career and seen the merits of your hard work being rewarded then I hope you do one day, because it’s one of the best feelings there is in life. It’s downright stupid to expect anything other than this mentality from professional athletes. Especially when they have to make pretty much all of the money they and their families will live on for life in 10-15 years AT MOST.

Finally, Dak has never done anything to make me question his character. He seems to be a genuinely good person, and I think it speaks to the poor character of some posters/fans when they try to conflate his poor play on the field with his character. The only time I go hard at the ant-Dak crowd is when they start ripping his character or assigning motivations to his actions that have no basis in reality out of pure anger. I get it. We are all sick of this teams’ mediocrity. We’re all numb at this point after years of hopeful seasons and offseasons. We’ve been punched in the gut as fans virtually every way possible over and over and over again, and there seems to be no end in sight when our moronic owner continues to double and triple down on his arrogant, ignorant approach to running this team. But don’t let your frustrations turn you into the type of person that goes after a player’s character, especially when there’s 0 evidence of them being a bad person in this day and age.

My point in saying all this? I’m a Dak fan because he’s a good dude who is the QB of my favorite team. I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan. But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump? Why constantly attack his character and motivations? Can you not see that any assertions you make against his character are just your anger at feeling completely helpless over this teams’ continued failures manifesting? We all choose this fandom. We choose to feel like this. Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adversity? That does not mean you shouldn’t criticize or hope for the team to move on when the time comes if that is warranted. The pro-Dak and anti-Dak crowds really love generalizing one another, but I really don’t know of any (of the few) staunch pro-Dak posters I see on here who would follow Dak to another team over the Cowboys. No one should be attacked by their fellow fans for rooting for a player on the team to do well. At the same time, no pro-Dak supporter should be blind to his shortcomings and not acknowledge bad play or problematic trends when they arise. Frustrated fans aren’t “haters” as long as they keep the frustration to football and not make it personal.

This post is probably very naïve, and certainly too long. I just think it would benefit many to step back and think about your fandom and save all the vitriol for the front office and for the Eagles. Screw the Eagles. Stop using it against the players who are trying to get better/right the ship, and especially against your fellow fans on an anonymous internet forum.

I completely agree with you... TL, DR

 

[Nexx]

too long didn’t read it. But it’s ok to be a fan of a bad player. I’ve liked bad players in the past too

 

[stiletto]

I've only put 1 poster on ignore because of continued annoying long winded tripe. But I made myself review your post. It it deserves the benefit of the doubt and I think I'd be an *** if I didn't.

Ultimately you are basically saying, why be opposed to "Dak"... in so many words. There were many others but ultimately the point to me at least was that.

Given quotes/facts:

"I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan."

GOOD, don't be

"But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. "

True but it doesn't make us wrong for "not liking the fact"

"We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump?"

Here's where you crumble with me at least. This is like all the people in Germany rooting for the ****'s.

We can't control it, so we might as well "root for it".. NAWWW....
Get what I mean? The best position of a real fan is to objectively analyze and make the proper choice.. Going against the flow is sometimes taking the "high road".

"Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adersity? "

It's ok to root for guys wearing the Star but if you ultimately sacrifice your "standards" just to root for them, that is BAD... it's best not to.

 

[Creeper]

I was a great Tony Dorsett fan. But he got old and retired. I am still a Cowboys fan.

Plays come and go. I root for all of them because I want them to succeed so the Cowboys succeed.

I am also a realist. Free agency has changed my view of the NFL. So has the CAP. Now the players don't matter. Only win and losses. Player production determines value. Before the CAP I didn't care what Jerry paid anyone. Now we have to care.

Dak is a good QB, but he is not $60 million good. The problem today is the money he gets comes from someone else on the team. If Dak gets $10 million more than he produces, it is a negative because the $10 million means I can't sign Derrick Henry or some other player who will produce more than the $2 million guy I had to sign because I overpaid Dak. But none of this is Dak's fault. I expect every player to walk into negotiations with an inflated number and opinion of himself. Jerry is the boss. It is his job, his obligation, to say no to excessive contract demands. Dallas will face life without Dak in the next 5 years, does it make a big difference if it is in 2024 instead of 2029? And considering how much Jerry let the roster slip in 2024 maybe this year was the best year to say no to Dak and let the rebuild begin. It is not being cheap to say no to a contract like Dak's. It is being smart. Dak is not the best player in the NFL and he never will be. It is not close either. He should not have been given the most money in history. He does not deserve that kind of notoriety Again, I do not blame Dak. If Jerry offered my a deal like that I wouldn't turn it down either.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This will be a TL;DR post. Sorry.

I am a Dak supporter.

I am a football fan. I voluntarily follow the Cowboys to my own detriment and have for my 36 years of life. I was 7 the last time they were in an NFC Championship game. I’ve stuck by this team through the Campo years, the Quincy Carter years, the Garrett years, and have felt true hopelessness with no end in sight. I choose to continue to root for this team despite all the things we see (and don’t see) from Jerry and company. I used to defend Jerry too. Now, I can’t. He’s really shown his true character lately and I can’t abide his personal decisions, nor the way he runs my favorite team.

I am not blind to Dak’s shortcomings. I root for him because he is the QB of my favorite team. He will be the QB of my favorite team for this year and at least the next 3 years, barring some unfortunate injury or something detrimental. I wanted Dak to be resigned for the most part. Not because I’m delusional and think he’s a top 3 QB in the league, but because I follow the NFL closely enough to feel that I have good understanding of the QB market and have seen the way this front office has evaluated and acquired the QB position since Aikman retired. It hasn’t been good. The high round QBs this FO have been linked to in recent memory like Manziel and Paxton Lynch have been nothing short of busts. We also know that this FO seems to value a quantity of draft picks more than having a small number of quality draft picks, and so I do not trust the FO to leverage future 1st and 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take a QB that I feel would be better than Dak, or close enough to Dak that the cap savings would make up the difference in talent. With our luck if they didn’t sign Dak and traded up we’d draft Shedeur Sanders (who I think will be Jameis Winston at best) and be even more of a clown show than we already are.

If Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson was our coach, I would feel much differently. IF we had a coach that I felt could create a schematic advantage with any top 25 QB, or even a journeyman QB like Darnold or Cousins I would likely have advocated for the FO to move on from Dak as strongly as the staunchest anti-Dak posters on this board. But we don’t have that. We have McCarthy. And even though this is highly likely his last year, does anyone trust Jerry to take the risk and hire an innovative offensive mind? I don’t. I think Jerry will do what he always does and hire a retread like Belichick. Yes, Bill may instill some discipline, and who knows, maybe he’s seen enough of the modern NFL to hire an innovative OC, but NOTHING that Jerry and co. have done in the past have made me think that’s anywhere in the realm of possible in the near future. Therefore, in my mind, the best chance we have is with QB who has shown the ability to make all the throws, who has now almost a decade of starting experience for the Dallas Cowboys at QB, and who, for the most part, has shown an ability to continue to improve each year, provided he has enough around him to support him. I am nowhere close to a “Dak over Cowboys fan.” I just genuinely don’t see the point in hating him. He is our QB, and we should all be rooting for him to overcome his demons, get better, and win. He’s shown he can do it. He just needs to do it consistently.

I do not blame Dak for the poor showings this season, even despite his price tag. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find examples of a QB elevating a team this devoid of both talent and creative coaching/play calling any more than Dak has. Yes, he’s made some bad throws and reads. But, between having no defense, one good receiver who get blanketed every game, no running game, and a patchwork O-line with one great player (Martin picked a terrible year to fall off) and two bad tackles, I genuinely cannot blame Dak. I do blame him for the SF playoff losses. Those were examples of games that he had enough to work with that he should have put the team on his back. I blame him for some of the regular season losses in prior years against good teams where a QB who is paid a max deal should elevate his team. But I watch enough football to know that even the best QBs have those games and are often carried by their teams. Look at Mahomes’ stats and play on a freaking undefeated Chiefs team this year. He’s been helped so much by coaching and defense and a run game. It’s downright asinine to expect anything more out of Dak this year with how bad literally every facet of players and coaching have been just because of the deal he got. Dak got a max deal because that’s how the QB market works. By this time next year, he’ll be the third or fourth highest paid QB. It is what it is.

I can’t believe the number of posters I see who put forth the notion that Dak, Martin, pretty much every player who has signed a deal with Dallas, etc., are intentionally fleecing the FO, and the idea that they should evaluate themselves the way the angry fans on this board do and intentionally play for less than they could get because they aren’t as good as fans’ perception of their contract. Do you guys not realize how absolutely insane that line of thought is in the world of NFL contracts/markets/agents, etc.? And then to question the character of players for simply being paid what they can get? Do you guys know the amount of work it takes to make the NFL, let alone play for a decade and make multiple pro bowls? Do you work hard at anything in life? Do you build up to something and then decide to just get lazy one day? No. You work hard and keep that mentality for life and continue to build on it and apply it to everything you do. You never think that you aren’t as good, because people who are good at something don’t think that way. You have confidence that continues to grow. You even have a little bit of controlled arrogance. It comes with the territory of putting in the work to become elite at something. If you’ve never done that in your career and seen the merits of your hard work being rewarded then I hope you do one day, because it’s one of the best feelings there is in life. It’s downright stupid to expect anything other than this mentality from professional athletes. Especially when they have to make pretty much all of the money they and their families will live on for life in 10-15 years AT MOST.

Finally, Dak has never done anything to make me question his character. He seems to be a genuinely good person, and I think it speaks to the poor character of some posters/fans when they try to conflate his poor play on the field with his character. The only time I go hard at the ant-Dak crowd is when they start ripping his character or assigning motivations to his actions that have no basis in reality out of pure anger. I get it. We are all sick of this teams’ mediocrity. We’re all numb at this point after years of hopeful seasons and offseasons. We’ve been punched in the gut as fans virtually every way possible over and over and over again, and there seems to be no end in sight when our moronic owner continues to double and triple down on his arrogant, ignorant approach to running this team. But don’t let your frustrations turn you into the type of person that goes after a player’s character, especially when there’s 0 evidence of them being a bad person in this day and age.

My point in saying all this? I’m a Dak fan because he’s a good dude who is the QB of my favorite team. I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan. But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump? Why constantly attack his character and motivations? Can you not see that any assertions you make against his character are just your anger at feeling completely helpless over this teams’ continued failures manifesting? We all choose this fandom. We choose to feel like this. Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adversity? That does not mean you shouldn’t criticize or hope for the team to move on when the time comes if that is warranted. The pro-Dak and anti-Dak crowds really love generalizing one another, but I really don’t know of any (of the few) staunch pro-Dak posters I see on here who would follow Dak to another team over the Cowboys. No one should be attacked by their fellow fans for rooting for a player on the team to do well. At the same time, no pro-Dak supporter should be blind to his shortcomings and not acknowledge bad play or problematic trends when they arise. Frustrated fans aren’t “haters” as long as they keep the frustration to football and not make it personal.

This post is probably very naïve, and certainly too long. I just think it would benefit many to step back and think about your fandom and save all the vitriol for the front office and for the Eagles. Screw the Eagles. Stop using it against the players who are trying to get better/right the ship, and especially against your fellow fans on an anonymous internet forum.

**POST OF THE DECADE!!!**

 

[blueblood70]

This will be a TL;DR post. Sorry.

I am a Dak supporter.

I am a football fan. I voluntarily follow the Cowboys to my own detriment and have for my 36 years of life. I was 7 the last time they were in an NFC Championship game. I’ve stuck by this team through the Campo years, the Quincy Carter years, the Garrett years, and have felt true hopelessness with no end in sight. I choose to continue to root for this team despite all the things we see (and don’t see) from Jerry and company. I used to defend Jerry too. Now, I can’t. He’s really shown his true character lately and I can’t abide his personal decisions, nor the way he runs my favorite team.

I am not blind to Dak’s shortcomings. I root for him because he is the QB of my favorite team. He will be the QB of my favorite team for this year and at least the next 3 years, barring some unfortunate injury or something detrimental. I wanted Dak to be resigned for the most part. Not because I’m delusional and think he’s a top 3 QB in the league, but because I follow the NFL closely enough to feel that I have good understanding of the QB market and have seen the way this front office has evaluated and acquired the QB position since Aikman retired. It hasn’t been good. The high round QBs this FO have been linked to in recent memory like Manziel and Paxton Lynch have been nothing short of busts. We also know that this FO seems to value a quantity of draft picks more than having a small number of quality draft picks, and so I do not trust the FO to leverage future 1st and 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take a QB that I feel would be better than Dak, or close enough to Dak that the cap savings would make up the difference in talent. With our luck if they didn’t sign Dak and traded up we’d draft Shedeur Sanders (who I think will be Jameis Winston at best) and be even more of a clown show than we already are.

If Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson was our coach, I would feel much differently. IF we had a coach that I felt could create a schematic advantage with any top 25 QB, or even a journeyman QB like Darnold or Cousins I would likely have advocated for the FO to move on from Dak as strongly as the staunchest anti-Dak posters on this board. But we don’t have that. We have McCarthy. And even though this is highly likely his last year, does anyone trust Jerry to take the risk and hire an innovative offensive mind? I don’t. I think Jerry will do what he always does and hire a retread like Belichick. Yes, Bill may instill some discipline, and who knows, maybe he’s seen enough of the modern NFL to hire an innovative OC, but NOTHING that Jerry and co. have done in the past have made me think that’s anywhere in the realm of possible in the near future. Therefore, in my mind, the best chance we have is with QB who has shown the ability to make all the throws, who has now almost a decade of starting experience for the Dallas Cowboys at QB, and who, for the most part, has shown an ability to continue to improve each year, provided he has enough around him to support him. I am nowhere close to a “Dak over Cowboys fan.” I just genuinely don’t see the point in hating him. He is our QB, and we should all be rooting for him to overcome his demons, get better, and win. He’s shown he can do it. He just needs to do it consistently.

I do not blame Dak for the poor showings this season, even despite his price tag. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find examples of a QB elevating a team this devoid of both talent and creative coaching/play calling any more than Dak has. Yes, he’s made some bad throws and reads. But, between having no defense, one good receiver who get blanketed every game, no running game, and a patchwork O-line with one great player (Martin picked a terrible year to fall off) and two bad tackles, I genuinely cannot blame Dak. I do blame him for the SF playoff losses. Those were examples of games that he had enough to work with that he should have put the team on his back. I blame him for some of the regular season losses in prior years against good teams where a QB who is paid a max deal should elevate his team. But I watch enough football to know that even the best QBs have those games and are often carried by their teams. Look at Mahomes’ stats and play on a freaking undefeated Chiefs team this year. He’s been helped so much by coaching and defense and a run game. It’s downright asinine to expect anything more out of Dak this year with how bad literally every facet of players and coaching have been just because of the deal he got. Dak got a max deal because that’s how the QB market works. By this time next year, he’ll be the third or fourth highest paid QB. It is what it is.

I can’t believe the number of posters I see who put forth the notion that Dak, Martin, pretty much every player who has signed a deal with Dallas, etc., are intentionally fleecing the FO, and the idea that they should evaluate themselves the way the angry fans on this board do and intentionally play for less than they could get because they aren’t as good as fans’ perception of their contract. Do you guys not realize how absolutely insane that line of thought is in the world of NFL contracts/markets/agents, etc.? And then to question the character of players for simply being paid what they can get? Do you guys know the amount of work it takes to make the NFL, let alone play for a decade and make multiple pro bowls? Do you work hard at anything in life? Do you build up to something and then decide to just get lazy one day? No. You work hard and keep that mentality for life and continue to build on it and apply it to everything you do. You never think that you aren’t as good, because people who are good at something don’t think that way. You have confidence that continues to grow. You even have a little bit of controlled arrogance. It comes with the territory of putting in the work to become elite at something. If you’ve never done that in your career and seen the merits of your hard work being rewarded then I hope you do one day, because it’s one of the best feelings there is in life. It’s downright stupid to expect anything other than this mentality from professional athletes. Especially when they have to make pretty much all of the money they and their families will live on for life in 10-15 years AT MOST.

Finally, Dak has never done anything to make me question his character. He seems to be a genuinely good person, and I think it speaks to the poor character of some posters/fans when they try to conflate his poor play on the field with his character. The only time I go hard at the ant-Dak crowd is when they start ripping his character or assigning motivations to his actions that have no basis in reality out of pure anger. I get it. We are all sick of this teams’ mediocrity. We’re all numb at this point after years of hopeful seasons and offseasons. We’ve been punched in the gut as fans virtually every way possible over and over and over again, and there seems to be no end in sight when our moronic owner continues to double and triple down on his arrogant, ignorant approach to running this team. But don’t let your frustrations turn you into the type of person that goes after a player’s character, especially when there’s 0 evidence of them being a bad person in this day and age.

My point in saying all this? I’m a Dak fan because he’s a good dude who is the QB of my favorite team. I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan. But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump? Why constantly attack his character and motivations? Can you not see that any assertions you make against his character are just your anger at feeling completely helpless over this teams’ continued failures manifesting? We all choose this fandom. We choose to feel like this. Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adversity? That does not mean you shouldn’t criticize or hope for the team to move on when the time comes if that is warranted. The pro-Dak and anti-Dak crowds really love generalizing one another, but I really don’t know of any (of the few) staunch pro-Dak posters I see on here who would follow Dak to another team over the Cowboys. No one should be attacked by their fellow fans for rooting for a player on the team to do well. At the same time, no pro-Dak supporter should be blind to his shortcomings and not acknowledge bad play or problematic trends when they arise. Frustrated fans aren’t “haters” as long as they keep the frustration to football and not make it personal.

This post is probably very naïve, and certainly too long. I just think it would benefit many to step back and think about your fandom and save all the vitriol for the front office and for the Eagles. Screw the Eagles. Stop using it against the players who are trying to get better/right the ship, and especially against your fellow fans on an anonymous internet forum.

You're right it's a little too long to read but skimming through it I think I have a general understanding what you're saying and I believe I agree with you lol

 

[MonsterD]

 

[MonsterD]

I've only put 1 poster on ignore because of continued annoying long winded tripe. But I made myself review your post. It it deserves the benefit of the doubt and I think I'd be an *** if I didn't.

Ultimately you are basically saying, why be opposed to "Dak"... in so many words. There were many others but ultimately the point to me at least was that.

Given quotes/facts:

"I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan."

GOOD, don't be

"But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. "

True but it doesn't make us wrong for "not liking the fact"

"We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump?"

Here's where you crumble with me at least. This is like all the people in Germany rooting for the ****'s.

We can't control it, so we might as well "root for it".. NAWWW....
Get what I mean? The best position of a real fan is to objectively analyze and make the proper choice.. Going against the flow is sometimes taking the "high road".

"Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adersity? "

It's ok to root for guys wearing the Star but if you ultimately sacrifice your "standards" just to root for them, that is BAD... it's best not to.

Ha ha yeah same exact thing for me, only 1 and it is the same one as your's too.

 

[Flamma]

This will be a TL;DR post. Sorry.

I am a Dak supporter.

I am a football fan. I voluntarily follow the Cowboys to my own detriment and have for my 36 years of life. I was 7 the last time they were in an NFC Championship game. I’ve stuck by this team through the Campo years, the Quincy Carter years, the Garrett years, and have felt true hopelessness with no end in sight. I choose to continue to root for this team despite all the things we see (and don’t see) from Jerry and company. I used to defend Jerry too. Now, I can’t. He’s really shown his true character lately and I can’t abide his personal decisions, nor the way he runs my favorite team.

I am not blind to Dak’s shortcomings. I root for him because he is the QB of my favorite team. He will be the QB of my favorite team for this year and at least the next 3 years, barring some unfortunate injury or something detrimental. I wanted Dak to be resigned for the most part. Not because I’m delusional and think he’s a top 3 QB in the league, but because I follow the NFL closely enough to feel that I have good understanding of the QB market and have seen the way this front office has evaluated and acquired the QB position since Aikman retired. It hasn’t been good. The high round QBs this FO have been linked to in recent memory like Manziel and Paxton Lynch have been nothing short of busts. We also know that this FO seems to value a quantity of draft picks more than having a small number of quality draft picks, and so I do not trust the FO to leverage future 1st and 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take a QB that I feel would be better than Dak, or close enough to Dak that the cap savings would make up the difference in talent. With our luck if they didn’t sign Dak and traded up we’d draft Shedeur Sanders (who I think will be Jameis Winston at best) and be even more of a clown show than we already are.

If Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson was our coach, I would feel much differently. IF we had a coach that I felt could create a schematic advantage with any top 25 QB, or even a journeyman QB like Darnold or Cousins I would likely have advocated for the FO to move on from Dak as strongly as the staunchest anti-Dak posters on this board. But we don’t have that. We have McCarthy. And even though this is highly likely his last year, does anyone trust Jerry to take the risk and hire an innovative offensive mind? I don’t. I think Jerry will do what he always does and hire a retread like Belichick. Yes, Bill may instill some discipline, and who knows, maybe he’s seen enough of the modern NFL to hire an innovative OC, but NOTHING that Jerry and co. have done in the past have made me think that’s anywhere in the realm of possible in the near future. Therefore, in my mind, the best chance we have is with QB who has shown the ability to make all the throws, who has now almost a decade of starting experience for the Dallas Cowboys at QB, and who, for the most part, has shown an ability to continue to improve each year, provided he has enough around him to support him. I am nowhere close to a “Dak over Cowboys fan.” I just genuinely don’t see the point in hating him. He is our QB, and we should all be rooting for him to overcome his demons, get better, and win. He’s shown he can do it. He just needs to do it consistently.

I do not blame Dak for the poor showings this season, even despite his price tag. I believe that anyone would be hard pressed to find examples of a QB elevating a team this devoid of both talent and creative coaching/play calling any more than Dak has. Yes, he’s made some bad throws and reads. But, between having no defense, one good receiver who get blanketed every game, no running game, and a patchwork O-line with one great player (Martin picked a terrible year to fall off) and two bad tackles, I genuinely cannot blame Dak. I do blame him for the SF playoff losses. Those were examples of games that he had enough to work with that he should have put the team on his back. I blame him for some of the regular season losses in prior years against good teams where a QB who is paid a max deal should elevate his team. But I watch enough football to know that even the best QBs have those games and are often carried by their teams. Look at Mahomes’ stats and play on a freaking undefeated Chiefs team this year. He’s been helped so much by coaching and defense and a run game. It’s downright asinine to expect anything more out of Dak this year with how bad literally every facet of players and coaching have been just because of the deal he got. Dak got a max deal because that’s how the QB market works. By this time next year, he’ll be the third or fourth highest paid QB. It is what it is.

I can’t believe the number of posters I see who put forth the notion that Dak, Martin, pretty much every player who has signed a deal with Dallas, etc., are intentionally fleecing the FO, and the idea that they should evaluate themselves the way the angry fans on this board do and intentionally play for less than they could get because they aren’t as good as fans’ perception of their contract. Do you guys not realize how absolutely insane that line of thought is in the world of NFL contracts/markets/agents, etc.? And then to question the character of players for simply being paid what they can get? Do you guys know the amount of work it takes to make the NFL, let alone play for a decade and make multiple pro bowls? Do you work hard at anything in life? Do you build up to something and then decide to just get lazy one day? No. You work hard and keep that mentality for life and continue to build on it and apply it to everything you do. You never think that you aren’t as good, because people who are good at something don’t think that way. You have confidence that continues to grow. You even have a little bit of controlled arrogance. It comes with the territory of putting in the work to become elite at something. If you’ve never done that in your career and seen the merits of your hard work being rewarded then I hope you do one day, because it’s one of the best feelings there is in life. It’s downright stupid to expect anything other than this mentality from professional athletes. Especially when they have to make pretty much all of the money they and their families will live on for life in 10-15 years AT MOST.

Finally, Dak has never done anything to make me question his character. He seems to be a genuinely good person, and I think it speaks to the poor character of some posters/fans when they try to conflate his poor play on the field with his character. The only time I go hard at the ant-Dak crowd is when they start ripping his character or assigning motivations to his actions that have no basis in reality out of pure anger. I get it. We are all sick of this teams’ mediocrity. We’re all numb at this point after years of hopeful seasons and offseasons. We’ve been punched in the gut as fans virtually every way possible over and over and over again, and there seems to be no end in sight when our moronic owner continues to double and triple down on his arrogant, ignorant approach to running this team. But don’t let your frustrations turn you into the type of person that goes after a player’s character, especially when there’s 0 evidence of them being a bad person in this day and age.

My point in saying all this? I’m a Dak fan because he’s a good dude who is the QB of my favorite team. I will never be a Dak over Cowboys fan. But far too many of you guys are anti-Dak over Cowboys fans. Dak’s not going anywhere. We can’t control it. So why not root for the guy to finally get over the hump? Why constantly attack his character and motivations? Can you not see that any assertions you make against his character are just your anger at feeling completely helpless over this teams’ continued failures manifesting? We all choose this fandom. We choose to feel like this. Why on Earth would you not choose to hope for the best, and pull for every single player wearing the star on their helmet to do better, and to overcome all of this adversity? That does not mean you shouldn’t criticize or hope for the team to move on when the time comes if that is warranted. The pro-Dak and anti-Dak crowds really love generalizing one another, but I really don’t know of any (of the few) staunch pro-Dak posters I see on here who would follow Dak to another team over the Cowboys. No one should be attacked by their fellow fans for rooting for a player on the team to do well. At the same time, no pro-Dak supporter should be blind to his shortcomings and not acknowledge bad play or problematic trends when they arise. Frustrated fans aren’t “haters” as long as they keep the frustration to football and not make it personal.

This post is probably very naïve, and certainly too long. I just think it would benefit many to step back and think about your fandom and save all the vitriol for the front office and for the Eagles. Screw the Eagles. Stop using it against the players who are trying to get better/right the ship, and especially against your fellow fans on an anonymous internet forum.

Look, I don't blame you for your thoughts on this. I just don't agree. Dak is not a 60M a year QB. Plain and simple. It's like paying 60k for a Honda Civic. Dak can extort that money from the Cowboys because they don't have another choice. But he's not nearly worth it. I would never agree to be extorted. Even if it meant doing worse. It's akin to being dying of thirst and offered a 20 oz bottle of water for 100 bucks. Daniel Jones isn't worth 5M a year, yet he's being paid 40M a year. What I don't understand is when fans actually support this. What are you hoping for? Whatever it is, it's not going to happen at 60M a year.

 

[Mr_Slicky]

Can't wait to see what we have when he's gone, how this offense runs etc etc

By the time Dak is gone 2/3 or 3/4 of the current players will also be gone.

 

[Mr_Slicky]

Good post.

Dak, Purdy and Goff are all on similar talent levels. Coaching, scheme and supporting cast determine the results.

All succeed when their team plays good defense and has a quality run game. All struggle otherwise.

The Niners and Lions obviously have better offensive coaching/schemes.

What is Purdy's records without Christian McCaffrey?

Huh? Dak isn't even close to Goff or Purdy. They are far better QB.ls than Dak.

 

[jazzcat22]

Can't wait to see what we have when he's gone, how this offense runs etc etc

Maybe we need to see how he does with a better coaching staff and scheme.

 

[blueblood70]

Look, I don't blame you for your thoughts on this. I just don't agree. Dak is not a 60M a year QB. Plain and simple. It's like paying 60k for a Honda Civic. Dak can extort that money from the Cowboys because they don't have another choice. But he's not nearly worth it. I would never agree to be extorted. Even if it meant doing worse. It's akin to being dying of thirst and offered a 20 oz bottle of water for 100 bucks. Daniel Jones isn't worth 5M a year, yet he's being paid 40M a year. What I don't understand is when fans actually support this. What are you hoping for? Whatever it is, it's not going to happen at 60M a year.

WRONG his marlkeyt lioek many QBs says and its fact, he got that money from at least four teams bidding for his services next year as a free agent... You must be out of touch with how the quarterback market works have you looked around the league at all the ones making top money you could say that about any of them they don't deserve that kind of money outside of Patrick mahomes and he's not even playing that well right now his last 12-14 games his stats are worse than Prescott quarterbacks any of the top five players in their positions you can go to all of them and say they don't deserve that kind of money you're calling him a Honda Civic is hilarious...


He's more like a Jaguar you know great luxury vehicle most of the time you're proud to own it except for when it breaks down and it's not working right you cuss it and there's a whole lot of people that thinks it's terrible vehicle and yeah a lot of people buy them...

But you're delusional absolutely if you don't think he would've got 60 million from some other team next year he would have there were teams already having him on their list to go after and I think it would've been suiting for him to go to the giants and then come back here and stomp our butts because if you think he's the problem look take the money out of the equation nobody's worth that kind of money that players are getting nowadays but especially quarterbacks have a bloated market but he is in the top market that's why original he would have got this money it's not extortion everybody saw the writing on the wall... He was going to get this money elsewhere it doesn't matter if there were 32 teams that agreed it only takes one but I know of four teams that would have paid him because he is a really good quarterback I'm sorry that you don't think he's elite because he's making elite money yeah I see that all around the league there are pass rushers there are wide receivers there's all kinds of skill position and offensive lineman that are overpaid and underperforming if you use money as the measuring stick...

 

[jazzcat22]

Huh? Dak isn't even close to Goff or Purdy. They are far better QB.ls than Dak.

Put those other 2 QB's on this team. How do you think they will do?
Not much better, if not the same or worse.

 

[DallasEast]

 

[Coogiguy03]

By the time Dak is gone 2/3 or 3/4 of the current players will also be gone.

fine with me!!!!

 

[blueblood70]

Huh? Dak isn't even close to Goff or Purdy. They are far better QB.ls than Dak.

wrong .. Opinions are nice that doesn't make you right because you say that I say that's not true at all.. Now what are we going to do we have a bunch of people that know he was gonna get 60 million elsewhere absolutely fact it only takes one team but there is at least four I can name off the top of my head that would've been bidding for his services that would be the Raiders ,the Saints ,the New York Giants, probably the jets believe it or not...and others doesn't need 32 teams to agree with haters , there was market and he was going to get it.

But it's nice for a lot of you delusional people to make comparisons when he doesn't have the same talent around him he didn't have the same ones that the Rams gave GOFF and now Detroit gave Goff and Purdy has in SF, you're delusional.. I think the irony here maybe you're miss it 'cause you hate Prescott so much and you don't like his contract you don't look around and see that Brock Purdy missing two players off his offense all the sudden has his team at 3:00 and 4:00 I mean is that what we're doing we're gonna we're gonna put team results on the quarterback he looked like crap in a lot of games where he was just missing one or two pieces and he has one of the best coaching Staffs most creative offensive coordinator on the planet outside of Andy Reid which by the way Patrick mahomes has been struggling the last 12 games have you noticed they took away a few big names and look what happens he just looks average yes he makes a couple really cool plays every week but his stat lines have dropped severely don't look you wanna have a debate go look.. Believe it or not most quarterbacks elite or just great like Prescott he's a great quarterback they need help they need help with the scheme they need help from their players around them some need more help than others but please I'm tired of this debate you're naming players that have an absolutely insane GM and HCs with OCs that are tops in their fields...

we would love a strong run game here and a great offensive coordinator and more than one weapon on offense and an offensive line that wasn't inconsistent and full of penalties game in and game out playing behind the chain short Prescott would love any of that but you name guys who right now are playing for teams who are all in they have put all their chips in the middle and put massive amounts of talent around these guys...

So which is it we have a cheap bargain basement front office that hardly plays in free agency and it doesn't do enough in the offseason to help build their team around their stars or the stars are underperforming on their own and there's no context to the nonsense I hear in here.... I mean it's odd right or the ironies here that Matthew Stafford couldn't win squat with nothing around him in Detroit he wins his first year with the Rams the same virtual team that golf had in golf couldn't go over the finish line in their owner front office and coach's eyes and yet Matthew Stafford didn't change his stripes the man led the league in interceptions had two interceptions in the Super bowl but guess what happened the defense bailed him out the coaching staff bailed him out and somehow you guys just see this as a individual player versus team failures around here in dallas and you would be delusional...

 

[Coogiguy03]

Maybe we need to see how he does with a better coaching staff and scheme.

possibly, time is running out though