My way too early playoff scenario [biased]

[DandyDon52]

The 2011 Patriots had a worse secondary than this 2015 one, and that team let up more yards than the 2013 Cowboys worst defense in team history. They still went 13-3 and made it to the Super Bowl. They've found a way to make things work historically.

Patriots have been the most consistent team in the league, since brady became QB.
Bellichek is the best HC in the league.
They may cheat lol but they win consistently with what they have.
They created wes welker as a star, Brady played against welker who I think was with miami, and brady Told B he wanted him, and they got
him , and used him efficiently for years.
Neither Brady or B are perfect, but they are very good, and they are determined to win each year, and they are innovative.
B was a very good DC for years and that helps him with game plans .

Brady was not a great qb his first year, he was a good bus driver with a good defense.
But he worked hard and getting better and has always had the intense desire to win, and was serious about winning.

Romo who actually had more talent when he started his first year, was just having fun and was not serious enough about
winning and going all the way. The fame and success went to his head and he missed some early opportunity's to go all the way.
He is now more serious about winning a SB.

Brady got off to a cinderella start , but was helped by a very good defense , and very good HC, and he didnt have to hold FG snaps.
Romo had the bad luck of being the FG holder and instead of winning his first playoff game and going on to SB,
he had the infamous snap fumble and then tackled inches short of goal line, which people still remember today.

I bet NFL fans remember that better than brady's 1st SB win.
Then the giants beat him in dallas the next year, and that was I think his best chance at winning a SB.

After that his teams were just not good enough until last year, and again tony did not get past div round.
And I dont blame him, but it was a good chance at a SB run his team was good enough, and in GB and detroit Games ,
Tony was good but not great.
All players need to step up and make some great plays in playoffs to go all the way, but dallas seems to not do that.
They played great in dec last year then mediocre in playoffs, instead of great plays they make mistakes, and still came
close to winning !
Then they let murray go to philly, and now we have the mystery RB situation, and jerry saying we can pass more to open up
the run ! lol
I still think they will make the playoffs, just wonder how good they will play when they are in playoffs.

NE gets to playoffs so often it is just expected, and they are more prepared and experienced.
Plus it is luck about who you have to play on way to and in the SB.

And I have to say JG is no Bellichek
But a key is getting to playoffs year after year, and eventually you go all the way. Or at least your chances improve.

 

[DandyDon52]

About NE being in a weak division, that is true, but usually if that was why they got in playoffs, they would be one and done in playoffs.
NE is a strong team in a weak division, and that is why they have done good.
Dallas has been in a weak division for years, but they havent been a strong team until last year.

NE should have a harder time this year with Buffalo and Miami improving, and the brady suspension.
They may still end up in playoffs just maybe not top seed.
I think NE also has a actual Home field advantage , more so than dallas.
I think NE will go 4-2 in their div this year

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bellichek is the best HC in the league.

I'd love to see what he could do without Brady and without cheating.

 

[DandyDon52]

I'd love to see what he could do without Brady and without cheating.

Well he drafted brady and made him into the qb he is and has been.
The cheating had nothing to do with the winning.
If they won only due to deflated footballs they should be losers now that they cant deflate them?

Brady and B look at any way to win, because they want to win badly, more than others, and that is main reason
They have been consistent winners. They want it more than others.
Brady has a ton of money, him and his wife make 80 million a year or more, so why is he playing football ??
He had already won 3 SB's and has all that money why did he go for another one?
He has 4 now why is he coming back for more??

Try answering those and you may figure out why he has always been a winner.

if I was brady, I would just retire right now after the SB win , why risk your health or mess with a goofball like goodell?
Take a couple years off then get into broadcasting or coaching.

He wont though he will play another year and try to win it all again.

Imagine JG without Romo, and McCarthy without rodgers etc etc.

 

[jazzcat22]

If not for Bledsoe getting injured, they may not have discovered how good Brady truly was. Bledsoe would have been their starting QB until he retired. By then they may have drafted a QB to groom, not knowing the true value they had in Brady being a 6th round pick. Now they knew he was capable. But not even the great cheater could have foreseen it.

Sometimes you just luck into things. Look at the Colts and their. lUCk...lol....
SF got Montans in the 3rd round becuase Landry and Brandt talked Scramm into drafting Doug Cosbie instead, because they had Danny White at QB and needed a TE.

Jimmy Johnson lucked into getting Emmitt in a way. By 2 trade up attempts that did not happen. So needing a RB they did trade up 4 spots to get Emmitt. Traded with Steelers to move ahead of the Giants, who then took Hampton after Smoth, IIRC.

Taking nothing away from Brady and NE and their run of winning seasons. It has worked out for them.

 

[jazzcat22]

No way are we a lock when we have Brandon Weeden as our backup QB,

All teams are in this state with any back up QB . So what the heck does this have to do with it. Just a knock on Weeden?

 

[big dog cowboy]

The cheating had nothing to do with the winning.

What???

 

[DandyDon52]

What???

I dont think deflating balls a little was the reason they won games.
I know it didnt help them with the 2 SB games with the giants.
I think other teams cheat in certain ways , they just havent got caught.
Do you really thnk the patriots are the only team to ever deflate balls ? or to spy on another teams practice?

 

[Jarv]

I dont think deflating balls a little was the reason they won games.
I know it didnt help them with the 2 SB games with the giants.
I think other teams cheat in certain ways , they just havent got caught.
Do you really thnk the patriots are the only team to ever deflate balls ? or to spy on another teams practice?

In both incidents they were "found out" and warned to stop...and they didn't. That is what sets them apart from the other teams.
Couple that with the "non cooperation" of Brady...The "turnabout" by Kraft accepting the deal, then changing his mind and bashing the league. Many of us wanted JJ and Snyder to go after the league after the salary cap hits, but they just took their medicine like men.
I can't speak to the "won games", but I can say after the rule was implemented that the teams manage their own balls, there was a sharp change in the turnover ratio between the Cheatriots and the rest of the league. Coincidence? Maybe, but I rarely believe in them.

 

[DandyDon52]

If not for Bledsoe getting injured, they may not have discovered how good Brady truly was. Bledsoe would have been their starting QB until he retired. By then they may have drafted a QB to groom, not knowing the true value they had in Brady being a 6th round pick. Now they knew he was capable. But not even the great cheater could have foreseen it.

Sometimes you just luck into things. Look at the Colts and their. lUCk...lol....
SF got Montans in the 3rd round becuase Landry and Brandt talked Scramm into drafting Doug Cosbie instead, because they had Danny White at QB and needed a TE.

Jimmy Johnson lucked into getting Emmitt in a way. By 2 trade up attempts that did not happen. So needing a RB they did trade up 4 spots to get Emmitt. Traded with Steelers to move ahead of the Giants, who then took Hampton after Smoth, IIRC.

Taking nothing away from Brady and NE and their run of winning seasons. It has worked out for them.

that is true , luck is involved, but once bellichek saw brady play he saw something he liked and made brady the starter.
And at that time brady was not a great qb yet.
Jimmy did know emmitt and tried to get him to play for him in college, but emmitt wanted to go to a run school.
But jimmy did luck out that the other deal didnt happen, but was smart enough to then grab emmitt.
I did not know that about montana. Imagine if dallas had got montana.

 

[DandyDon52]

In both incidents they were "found out" and warned to stop...and they didn't. That is what sets them apart from the other teams.
Couple that with the "non cooperation" of Brady...The "turnabout" by Kraft accepting the deal, then changing his mind and bashing the league. Many of us wanted JJ and Snyder to go after the league after the salary cap hits, but they just took their medicine like men.
I can't speak to the "won games", but I can say after the rule was implemented that the teams manage their own balls, there was a sharp change in the turnover ratio between the Cheatriots and the rest of the league. Coincidence? Maybe, but I rarely believe in them.

I dont think they were warned about deflating balls.
I dont know about the other spy thing except that B started doing it cause it was done to NE.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I usually do an on paper playoff scenario pre TC. Though not always posted. Then I'll do one right before the season starts. Then after 8 to 10 games.

This year I haven't put much thought into it yet, but it's too early to do so.

AFC
WC: Bills [east] over Chiefs [wc], Colts [south] over Dolphins [wc]
Divisional: Bengals [north] over Colts, Broncos [west] over Bills [east]
AFCC: Bengals over Broncos

NFC
WC, Seahawks [wc] over Panthers [south], Packers [north] over Vikings [wc]
Divisional: Cowboys [east] over Seahawks, Packers over Cardinals [west]
NFCC: Cowboys over Packers

Super Bowl 50
Cowboys over Bengals

I have the 3 teams from the AFC in the playoffs, and NE missing. That's part of my bias, as well as having the Cowboys-Bengals SB match up. I can see my teams changing quite a few by the 1st real game.

Cowboys over Bengals? Not sure about that one. Bengals? No way they are getting to a SB with that QB.

 

[jazzcat22]

that is true , luck is involved, but once bellichek saw brady play he saw something he liked and made brady the starter.
And at that time brady was not a great qb yet.
Jimmy did know emmitt and tried to get him to play for him in college, but emmitt wanted to go to a run school.
But jimmy did luck out that the other deal didnt happen, but was smart enough to then grab emmitt.
I did not know that about montana. Imagine if dallas had got montana.

Tex Schramm said that was the only time he was ever talked out of drafting a player. But a very good case was made at the time.
I think that SF selected Montana because the player they wanted was off the board.

 

[CATCH17]

I think you really have to hate the Patriots to believe all of their success was from cheating.

Every team is doing something to gain an edge and even if the team isn't doing it the individual player could still be doing something.


I would bet every NFL team has multiple players doing PED's.

 

[DandyDon52]

Tex Schramm said that was the only time he was ever talked out of drafting a player. But a very good case was made at the time.
I think that SF selected Montana because the player they wanted was off the board.

I knew Montana, back then I was a longhorn fan and joe beat them in the cottonbowl game, I knew seeing him play that game he might be real good
in pros.

 

[perrykemp]

I dont think deflating balls a little was the reason they won games.
I know it didnt help them with the 2 SB games with the giants.
I think other teams cheat in certain ways , they just havent got caught.
Do you really thnk the patriots are the only team to ever deflate balls ? or to spy on another teams practice?

One of the things that has surprised me about Deflategate is that Aaron Rodgers openly admitted he preferred his footballs over-inflated. The whole thing had a VERY STRONG inference that the Packers are cheating by over-inflating. There has been almost nothing in the media about it, however, I did note that it came up in the court-room transcript from one of the recent Brady court-room hearings.

My point is -- I pretty much expect just about every team to be nibbling around the edges of the rules on things like ball inflation (or similar). Not <big> items per say, but technical cheating if you go by the book.

 

[Jarv]

Interesting read...

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...iots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007

 

[jazzcat22]

Interesting read...

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...iots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007

wow...very good.....also the comments.

This could use it's own thread.

 

[DandyDon52]

Interesting read...

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...iots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007

this guy eliminated dome teams and probably other things to get the results he wanted.
And if a player could tell by handling the balls that it was deflated, how come the refs never noticed it ever !! in any of the games?
They handle the balls between every play!
It makes sense that a deflated ball might be easier to hold on to, but how many here think that murray would have only fumbled twice
had the cowboys deflated the balls last year ??
I think he would have still had the same 6, 2 or 3 were just pulled out, the others were due to him holding the ball wrong, and too loosely.
And coaching would make a difference, the RB's make a difference, and the defenses they play make a difference.

 

[Jarv]

During the Colts playoff game the refs didn't noticed but on the interception it was noticed and proven to be fact.