MySa Blog: Emmitt Smith wants to go into HOF with Charles Haley/Likes 'Boys chances

[WoodysGirl]

By Tom Orsborn on Feb 3, 10 02:43 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Emmitt Smith know he's going to be selected for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame here Saturday morning. What the NFL's all-time leading rusher doesn't know is whether the voters will also choose his former Dallas Cowboys teammate Charles Haley.

Haley, one of the most dominating pass rushers in league history, earned two Super Bowl rings with San Francisco before being traded to Dallas, where he earned three more rings.

But Haley also had a long history of bizarre behavior and often was rude to the media or flat-out refused to do interviews.

Smith said voters shouldn't hold any of that against him.

"He's very much deserving," Smith told me here Wednesday at the Greater Fort Lauderdale/Broward County Convention Center. "I mean, come on, the guy has had a hall-of-fame type of career. And for him not be selected to go into the hall of fame all because of personal reasons is all together wrong because you are not put in position to make these types of decisions off your personal feelings but off of guys' performances. It would be absolutely a shame."

Smith called Haley the final piece that allowed the Cowboys to win three Super Bowls in four seasons.

"He was a huge difference-maker for us," Smith said. "This guy came in and brought a different kind of attitude to the defense. He had guys on the opposing team having to game plan for him, which opened up room for other guys to do great things. He had a tremendous impact on our ballclub and he was fun to play with.

"I think he helped put us over the top. He solidified us...His talent brought a lot to the table. If he doesn't get in, it's a crying shame. They have to base their judgment off his performance. This has nothing to do off of how they feel about him personally. He didn't cheat, he didn't steal. He did his job. It's not his personal life that is on judgment here. The only thing that should be judged is what he's done on the football field."

Emmitt Smith likes Cowboys chances next season
By Tom Orsborn on Feb 3, 10 02:24 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Emmitt Smith caught a lot of flak from the Cowboys players at the end of this season for his 7-9 prediction.

Smith wouldn't offer a prediction for next season while appearing on a video blog for the Dallas Morning News and the North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee this afternoon, but he did say he thinks the Cowboys "are very close" after finishing 11-5 this season and reaching the second-round of the playoffs.

"With the growth I've seen from a leadership standpoint, the talent has always been there, they are right there," Smith said. "And thank you Miles Austin for making me (look bad) with my 7-9 pick. Without you, at best they might be 7-9. He gave them like a shot of B-12 in the arm and they will be able to build on that. From Kansas City on, all he did was make play after play.

"All I want the Cowboys to do is stay hopeful and remember what they went through last year. Remember how much growth they had internally as a team and gauge that and take that to the next level. Just like we did when we went to Detroit in 1991 and got our teeth kicked in the first round of the playfofs. We came back the next season and we were all excited about the success we had the year before and we wanted to build on that. That's the chance this team has right now."

 

[CoCo]

Remember how much growth they had internally as a team and gauge that and take that to the next level. Just like we did when we went to Detroit in 1991 and got our teeth kicked in the first round of the playfofs. We came back the next season and we were all excited about the success we had the year before and we wanted to build on that. That's the chance this team has right now."

Guess Emmitt didn't get the memo that that kind of thinking isn't tolerated around here. For gosh sakes its not even the same head coach as 1991.

/sarcasm off

 

[WoodysGirl]

Moose Johnston lobbies for Haley HOF selection

By Tom Orsborn on Feb 4, 10 11:34 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Former Cowboys fullback Daryl Johnston wants to see Charles Haley enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame alongside NFL career rushing leader Emmitt Smith.

Smith, a lock to be selected Saturday, and Haley are among 17 HOF finalists.

Johnston, Haley and Smith were part of the Cowboys teams that won three Super Bowls in a four-year span in the 1990s.

The Cowboys had an awful pass rush in 1991, finishing 26th in the 28-team league with 23 sacks in an 11-5 wild-card season that saw them beat the Chicago Bears 17-13 in a wild-card game but lose 38-6 to the Detroit Lions in the divisional playoffs.

After Dallas acquired Charles Haley in a 1992 with San Francisco, Dallas recorded 44 sacks and won its first Super Bowl of the decade.

"That was the one piece that was missing from our team," Johnston said Thursday. "In 1991, we were good, but we didn't generate a lot of turnovers, we weren't getting sacks, and those are the things you have to have to be a great team. We didn't have that presence on the outside that anybody had to account for when they were doing their offensive game plans.

"Charles came in added an element to our defense as a pass rusher. Now you have to account for him. Now you may need to chip or put a tight end. You have to do something to make sure your quarterback is safe because Charles is coming off that backside. Now Tony Tolbert gets a lot more one on ones. That's what great players do, they elevate everybody around them, and Charles really elevated our defense."

Johnston also said the offense, particularly left tackle Mark Tuinei, improved because of Haley.

"I asked Mark Tuinei, 'You don't make the Pro Bowl until your 12th year and then you make it two years in a row, how did that happen,' " Johnston said. "He told me that Charles taught him so much by telling him what he was thinking. He taught Mark that if he was going against a speed rusher, he had to get to a spot back there before I have to get to before he gets to.

Johnston also raved about Haley's leadership, pointing out that it was an outburst by Haley that forced owner Jerry Jones to settle a contract dispute with Smith that threatened to de-rail the Cowboys' quest to win back-to-back Super Bowl titles.

Smith sat out the first two games of the season, both losses that came with rookie Derrick Lassie starting at tailback. But after the second loss, Haley smashed his helmet through a wall in the locker room and reportedly screamed, "Get Emmitt back in here. We're never going to win with a (expletive) rookie."

"He was signed that Monday, so the message was received," said Johnston, smiling. "He said exactly what all of us (were thinking)...Something needed to bed done. Charles put his helmet through the wall and he challenged Jerry to get (Smith) in and Jerry listened."
The Cowboys finished 12-4 and became the first team to start 0-2 and still reach and win the Super Bowl.

Like Smith, Johnston said Haley

"I don't think he ever got the credit he really deserved," Johnston said. "I think everybody talked about the sacks and the pressures and everything he has done there, but he was a great teammate. There were a lot of stories coming out of San Francisco. And when he came to our team, a lot of us were kind of nervous about what to expect from Charles, and he got there and I can't tell you how great of a teammate he was."

 

[Sarge]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Pathetic.

 

[adbutcher]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Pathetic.

Indeed, this is a complete nobrainer.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Pathetic.

Right or wrong, guys that pull their pants down and say their's is bigger tend to have more difficulty getting into the HOF.

 

[BAT]

It is the Jterrells in the world who will keep Charles Haley from the HOF. Those are the guys who stress stats, nits and gnats instead of watching what is happening on the field.

Charles Haley made the Cowboys defense dominant, CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER, even Deion, the greatest cover corner in league history, cannot lay that claim.

 

[LandryFan]

Smith sat out the first two games of the season, both losses that came with rookie Derrick Lassie starting at tailback."

Lassic was a bit of a dog of a running back!:laugh2:

 

[Biggems]

Hey Emmitt, it was the 2nd round.....you beat Chicago in the 1st round that year. Emmitt is suffering from some of Troy's concussions.

 

[jobberone]

Too bad about his back. He still had it discounting the injury/problem. Emmitt should know greatness.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right or wrong, guys that pull their pants down and say their's is bigger tend to have more difficulty getting into the HOF.

LT did not seem to have a hard time getting in, may not have done some of the things Haley did then again LT did some things off the field that Haley did not do. Personally I would like to see a HOF committee made up from former coaches and players to determine who makes it in and take it out of the hands of the sports writers.

 

[ZeroClub]

Right or wrong, guys that pull their pants down and say their's is bigger tend to have more difficulty getting into the HOF.

Nah. It's just plain difficult.

The list of NFL Hall of Fame Defensive Linemen is a short list.

Modern Era: Defensive Linemen (27)


Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961
Carl Eller (DE) 1964-1979
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990
David (Deacon) Jones (DE) 1961-1974
Howie Long (DE) 1981-1993
Gino Marchetti (DE) 1952-1964, 1966
Jack Youngblood (DE) 1971-1984
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953
Lee Roy Selmon (DE) 1976-1984
Doug Atkins (DE) 1953-1969
Elvin Bethea (DE) 1968-1983
Junious (Buck) Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975
Willie Davis (DE) 1958-1969
Len Ford (DE) 1948-1958
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974
Bill Willis (MG) 1946-1953
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981
Andy Robustelli (DE) 1951-1964
Fred Dean (DE) 1975-1985
Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000
Bruce Smith 1985-2003
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976

 

[SultanOfSix]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Pathetic.

Aaah, you're just biased.

 

[jterrell]

It is the Jterrells in the world who will keep Charles Haley from the HOF. Those are the guys who stress stats, nits and gnats instead of watching what is happening on the field.

Charles Haley made the Cowboys defense dominant, CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER, even Deion, the greatest cover corner in league history, cannot lay that claim.

ROFL... stalk me much??

I stated in the other thread I thought Haley deserved into the HoF without question.

His desire to flash the media and teammates, urinate on teammates vehicles, smash his helmet through walls, tell teammates they wanted him sexually while he showed them his genitalia... that is what will be held against him.

His career body of work is without question worthy of a Hall Call imho.

Does he deserve the accolades you hand him as the ONE who made our defense dominant? NO! That's simply because he was hardly a one man show in Dallas and his 92 and 93 season were amongst his least effective as a pro. His best season was the one we didn't win a SB, 1994.

Go back and watch the full seasons if you like and then bring back an argument about Haley but pretending you somehow have superiority in discussing from memory as opposed to stats events that occurred 15 years ago is absurd.

If Ware has 10 sacks and 80 tackles the next two seasons combined we will all be too distraught for words.

Haley has 100 sacks for his career and that is Hall worthy as our his Fists worth of SB Rings.

Talking about him as comparable to Deion though is insane. He was solid for us in 92 and 93 then very, very good in 94 and most of 95. but he never took away half the field as Deion did and he was never considered a once in a generation type player like Deion.

The guy Haley most resembles to me is Harvey Martin. Someone else who deserves in the Hall of Fame. Martin had 4 Pro Bowls and 1 All Pro, Haley 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All Pros.

But Haley wasn't Bruce Smith(11 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 200 career sacks). Lawrence Taylor(10 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 132.5 sacks) or Reggie White(13 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 198 career sacks) so paled in comparison to three contemporaries at the position.

If you are gonna sniff jocks you couldn't have picked a better guy because at least you know he'll leave it all hanging out for you to admire.

 

[Rampage]

what has the media done to have the right to determine whether an athlete gets into the hall of fame? It should be a group of players and coachers not sports writers.

 

[trickblue]

If you are gonna sniff jocks you couldn't have picked a better guy because at least you know he'll leave it all hanging out for you to admire.

It don't matter which side you fall on... that right there is funny... :laugh2:

 

[jterrell]

what has the media done to have the right to determine whether an athlete gets into the hall of fame? It should be a group of players and coachers not sports writers.

that's true with regards to everything everywhere.

media voting is silly but it's simply some remnant of history we can't get away from like Bowl games instead of NCAA playoffs.

the counter argument goes players and coaches would vote everyone in.

 

[adbutcher]

If you are gonna sniff jocks you couldn't have picked a better guy because at least you know he'll leave it all hanging out for you to admire.

 

[BAT]

blah, blah, blah, blah .... he's HOF worthy BUT he wasn't an impact player???

Speak w/forked tongue much? YOU keep saying what you want, but Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Moose Johnston, Leon Lett, et. al. say otherwise. ALL stated, unequivocally, that Charles Haley put their TEAM, not just their defense, over the top, as in to a championship, even dynastic level.

All your stats, and "he was never double teamed" disclaimers nothwithstanding, the players and coaches opinions hold MUCH MORE weight than yours.

And for some one who talks ad nauseum about Haley's bi-polar induced escapades, YOU should know that Haley didn't have much use for jock staps. So you can sniff Bruce Smith's and Reggie White's all you want. And yes, Harvey Martin also deserves to be in the Hall, and he doesn't need your approval or quantification to do so.

ROFL... stalk me much??

I stated in the other thread I thought Haley deserved into the HoF without question.

His desire to flash the media and teammates, urinate on teammates vehicles, smash his helmet through walls, tell teammates they wanted him sexually while he showed them his genitalia... that is what will be held against him.

His career body of work is without question worthy of a Hall Call imho.

Does he deserve the accolades you hand him as the ONE who made our defense dominant? NO! That's simply because he was hardly a one man show in Dallas and his 92 and 93 season were amongst his least effective as a pro. His best season was the one we didn't win a SB, 1994.

Go back and watch the full seasons if you like and then bring back an argument about Haley but pretending you somehow have superiority in discussing from memory as opposed to stats events that occurred 15 years ago is absurd.

If Ware has 10 sacks and 80 tackles the next two seasons combined we will all be too distraught for words.

Haley has 100 sacks for his career and that is Hall worthy as our his Fists worth of SB Rings.

Talking about him as comparable to Deion though is insane. He was solid for us in 92 and 93 then very, very good in 94 and most of 95. but he never took away half the field as Deion did and he was never considered a once in a generation type player like Deion.

The guy Haley most resembles to me is Harvey Martin. Someone else who deserves in the Hall of Fame. Martin had 4 Pro Bowls and 1 All Pro, Haley 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All Pros.

But Haley wasn't Bruce Smith(11 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 200 career sacks). Lawrence Taylor(10 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 132.5 sacks) or Reggie White(13 Pro Bowls, 8 All Pros, 198 career sacks) so paled in comparison to three contemporaries at the position.

If you are gonna sniff jocks you couldn't have picked a better guy because at least you know he'll leave it all hanging out for you to admire.

 

[jterrell]

blah, blah, blah, blah .... he's HOF worthy BUT he wasn't an impact player???

Speak w/forked tongue much? YOU keep saying what you want, but Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Moose Johnston, Leon Lett, et. al. say otherwise. ALL stated, unequivocally, that Charles Haley put their TEAM, not just their defense, over the top, as in to a championship, even dynastic level.

All your stats, and "he was never double teamed" disclaimers nothwithstanding, the players and coaches opinions hold MUCH MORE weight than yours.

And for some one who talks ad nauseum about Haley's bi-polar induced escapades, YOU should know that Haley didn't have much use for jock staps. So you can sniff Bruce Smith's and Reggie White's all you want. And yes, Harvey Martin also deserves to be in the Hall, and he doesn't need your approval or quantification to do so.

ROFL even more. We'd argue much less if you actually bothered to read.

I never said Haley wasn't an impact player. Quote me saying that ******r. I said he doesn't deserve credit as the guy to take our defense over the top. Our defense was going to be great and WAS great without him.

While you are searching for quotes try finding where I said he was "never double teamed". Can't believe you had the gall to put that lie into quotations.

Maybe you can borrow your hero's excuse and claim mental illness. Because it's that or stupidity that has you here lying.

Haley had a huge impact for a career. He was not that impactful in 1992 or 1993 largely because he wasn't needed to be. Our OL was the best in football by a wide margin and our DL was the deepest in football.

Double team or not Haley had 10 sacks total in 2 years and had his worst tackle totals. It was clear his back bothered him. He would rise up and get good pass rushes in key situations and was a very good player. No where have I stated he wasn't. I have stated simple facts.

So to you and your boyfriend I say Good Luck next year Chuck.

BTW, coaches or players asked about ex-teammates will give a favorable response 99% of the time. There's hundreds of players who will have teammates and coaches suggesting they should be in the Hall of Fame. Using that as a barometer shows just how completely ignorant you are of anything football. The good news is when you close your eyes at night and fondly think upon Haley you can remember him however you want. You can even pretend he got into the Hall of Fame already for all I care.