NCAA loses O'Bannon Case

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not entirely correct. You made the comment, "You can't let perfect be the enemy of better." This statement indicates that you are making the assumption that this will be better. You can't know that. That is a statement of fact. There is no way in the world that you can assume this is going to be better. The truth is that you don't know if it will be better for everybody or not. It may be better for a few but there is no way the outcome of this can be predicted for the whole.

Are you saying that you do know, for a fact, that it will be better for all involved?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm not going to get into the pissing contest back and forth and the personal attacks on each other over disagreeing about this but I do want to ask a couple of questions on the ruling and say something as well.

First I'll say I don't have an issue with the players being paid. I don't believe, as some do, that getting an education is totally accurate. Every single player, on every single team, is not getting a full ride scholarship so they're not all getting a free education because they're playing. So to simply use the free education as evidence that they're getting paid is faulty.

Those who are getting a full ride, yeah they're being paid. I don't care about the crying about how it's not much. If you're getting a full 4 year ride to OU or some big school you're getting quite a bit of free schooling, free housing, free books, etc. It's very expensive and that's a dang good deal for them.

Either way I have no issue with the players getting pay for the video games and playing and etc.


Now that said I do wonder about the ripple effect it does play on the non-athletes. You know all those other folks who are going to school there, a great number of them who are paying to go to school (Or their parents are). If the schools have to start paying their athletes in some way, because of their likeness being used and such, are they not just going to hike up tuition and cost to go to school there to balance it out? Sure that won't mean anything to the athletes and people who are getting full rides but to the average joe whose paying for college having their college tuition go up is going to really suck for them. Especially since college is already so expensive.

Also will there be some sort of scale to where schools can't offer more money to a player, or the NCAA can't allow certain schools more money to offer players for these things, due to their size or popularity? Or will schools like Miami, OU, Ohio State, etc be able to simply just offer more because they bring the NCAA in more money?

Will any of this have any effect on the school themselves or is it all money that the NCAA itself has to pay out?

I am asking about those things from the people far more in the know, and educated on this subject than I am.

 

[peplaw06]

Not entirely correct. You made the comment, "You can't let perfect be the enemy of better." This statement indicates that you are making the assumption that this will be better. You can't know that. That is a statement of fact. There is no way in the world that you can assume this is going to be better. The truth is that you don't know if it will be better for everybody or not. It may be better for a few but there is no way the outcome of this can be predicted for the whole.

Are you saying that you do know, for a fact, that it will be better for all involved?

OMG... I've never stated for a fact that it would be better. What I stated was a cliche that reflects my opinion. If you disagree, fine... disagree. But don't claim I'm assuming facts when I'm clearly not. And don't claim you simply made an innocent statement of fact when you clearly did not.

You're trying to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. If you want a debate then bring it on... but you should probably be informed if you want to do that. If that's not what you want, then don't engage in one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Breath.

 

[peplaw06]

I'm not going to get into the pissing contest back and forth and the personal attacks on each other over disagreeing about this but I do want to ask a couple of questions on the ruling and say something as well.

First I'll say I don't have an issue with the players being paid. I don't believe, as some do, that getting an education is totally accurate. Every single player, on every single team, is not getting a full ride scholarship so they're not all getting a free education because they're playing. So to simply use the free education as evidence that they're getting paid is faulty.

Those who are getting a full ride, yeah they're being paid. I don't care about the crying about how it's not much. If you're getting a full 4 year ride to OU or some big school you're getting quite a bit of free schooling, free housing, free books, etc. It's very expensive and that's a dang good deal for them.

Either way I have no issue with the players getting pay for the video games and playing and etc.


Now that said I do wonder about the ripple effect it does play on the non-athletes. You know all those other folks who are going to school there, a great number of them who are paying to go to school (Or their parents are). If the schools have to start paying their athletes in some way, because of their likeness being used and such, are they not just going to hike up tuition and cost to go to school there to balance it out? Sure that won't mean anything to the athletes and people who are getting full rides but to the average joe whose paying for college having their college tuition go up is going to really suck for them. Especially since college is already so expensive.

Also will there be some sort of scale to where schools can't offer more money to a player, or the NCAA can't allow certain schools more money to offer players for these things, due to their size or popularity? Or will schools like Miami, OU, Ohio State, etc be able to simply just offer more because they bring the NCAA in more money?

Will any of this have any effect on the school themselves or is it all money that the NCAA itself has to pay out?

I am asking about those things from the people far more in the know, and educated on this subject than I am.

I'm no economist...

But I suspect that a school that brings in millions of dollars on football and basketball programs could provide for their players without increasing the burden on other students if they wanted to. Now, I expect the schools to try to raise tuition costs and room and board for other students, and blaming it on the athletes, because that's what these people do. These costs have already exploded to a ridiculous level.

Students will just borrow more and the student loan bubble is just going to get bigger.

I believe there is a huge reform coming for the university system...

But the universities have exploited these athletes long enough, in my OPINION.

 

[peplaw06]

Breath.

Marginalize me if it makes you feel better... but I'm perfectly calm.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Marginalize me if it makes you feel better... but I'm perfectly calm.

Of course you are.

 

[peplaw06]

LOL

Now your incredible powers of deduction include being able to detect my demeanor through the internet.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sure. Lets go with that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In other news, I saw that the Settlement would pay players who were represented in these video games, up to $951.00 for every year they were featured in these games.

The Legal representation in the O'Bannon Case will get paid something in the area of 13.2 Million.

Lastly, EA Sports has announced that it will discountinue making NCAA Sports Video Games.

 

[burmafrd]

Shakespear had it right about lawyers.

 

[peplaw06]

In other news, I saw that the Settlement would pay players who were represented in these video games, up to $951.00 for every year they were featured in these games.

Link? The part that was "settled" was the suit between the class of players and EA Sports. The NCAA didn't settle.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Link? The part that was "settled" was the suit between the class of players and EA Sports. The NCAA didn't settle.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...non-lawsuit-settlement-ncaa-players-ea-sports

Google. It's your own advice.

 

[peplaw06]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...non-lawsuit-settlement-ncaa-players-ea-sports

Just as I suspected. The settlement covers thousands and thousands of players. So most of them are looking at $3000-4000. Not bad for a partial settlement of a class action, when the class is that large.

Google. It's your own advice.

Nice try... but this is a little different. I can't inform you of every single detail of the case... You were talking like you thought this was about a video game from 1995. I told you it wasn't, and did give you a lot of the details.

You posted something that you clearly got from a source and you weren't telling the whole story. Perhaps it's because you weren't familiar with enough detail.

 

[burmafrd]

Just as I suspected. The settlement covers thousands and thousands of players. So most of them are looking at $3000-4000. Not bad for a partial settlement of a class action, when the class is that large.

Nice try... but this is a little different. I can't inform you of every single detail of the case... You were talking like you thought this was about a video game from 1995. I told you it wasn't, and did give you a lot of the details.

You posted something that you clearly got from a source and you weren't telling the whole story. Perhaps it's because you weren't familiar with enough detail.

or maybe he was overestimating your intelligence.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nice try... but this is a little different. I can't inform you of every single detail of the case... You were talking like you thought this was about a video game from 1995. I told you it wasn't, and did give you a lot of the details.

I was not. That was my point. You have no idea what my actual opinion is on the players getting paid in the EA suit because I have not stated it. You simply assume and when I pointed this out. You simply dismissed it and said that I am just an NCAA fan and that I always side with them. If that's your opinion, that's fine but it's not accurate.

You posted something that you clearly got from a source and you weren't telling the whole story. Perhaps it's because you weren't familiar with enough detail.

What part of the story was I holding back? Was it the part where the article states that the players will get paid up to $951.00 for every year they were identified in a video game (and it says up to, not every player will receive that amount) or the part where the legal fees will be 13.2 Million? Was it the part where I said the article stated that EA will no longer produce NCAA video games?

Which part do you think I did not represent, according to what the article stated?