Nebraska/A&M & Oklahoma/Baylor Game Thread

[Derinyar]

Not much you can do when you have them stopped late in the game, but your defense gets called for an PF when you hit the QB in the chest just as the ball is released.

Not much else you can do when you have 16 penalties for 145 yards, while the other team has 2 for 10.

When you are playing a top 20 team, on the road, and facing obstacles like that, there is nothing any team could do. For it to be just a 3 point game is absolutely stunning and remarkable.

It isn't like tonight is the first example of this either. There was an ESPN blogger that detailed how much less penalties Nebraska gets called in favor of them versus the rest of the B12. Was quite amusing, but just sad at the same time.

Is it possible, that just like the Cowboys early in the season, the Huskers are viewed as an undisciplined team and that leads to them getting extra penalties called on them. I'm sure the coach acting like a clown on the sidelines doesn't help that fact either. Ride the refs too much and you just torque them off.

 

[ologan]

I didn't know football players could be in the corps of cadets.

You just tryin' to make a "funny",or are you seriously denigrating a group whose job it will be one day to defend your family and way of life?

 

[Cythim]

This is the year to beat my Horns...hell everybody else has.

How's y'alls National Champion Trophy case doing?

Wow. I didn't realize your insecurities ran this deep.

 

[Cythim]

You just tryin' to make a "funny",or are you seriously denigrating a group whose job it will be one day to defend your family and way of life?

In fairness, most of them don't actually join the military.

 

[jimmy40]

You just tryin' to make a "funny",or are you seriously denigrating a group whose job it will be one day to defend your family and way of life?

oh get off your high horse, cadet? most of the corps are turds that are in there because they think it's cool or their dad is making them. Obviously some cadets have gone on to be great military guys and will in the future but spare me the drama.

But I do appreciate this great leader of cadets for protecting my family from this mean SMU cheerleader.

 

[Rogah]

I don't want to incur the wrath of any Aggies in here, but the officiating really was atrocious. I cannot ever remember seeing such lopsided penalty yardage (145 to 10) in any game, pro or college. A&M was getting away with murder, and Nebraska got flagged every time someone sneezed.

I don't have a horse in the race and I have no bias for or against either team. Just callin' it the way I saw it.

 

[Cythim]

I don't want to incur the wrath of any Aggies in here, but the officiating really was atrocious. I cannot ever remember seeing such lopsided penalty yardage (145 to 10) in any game, pro or college. A&M was getting away with murder, and Nebraska got flagged every time someone sneezed.

I don't have a horse in the race and I have no bias for or against either team. Just callin' it the way I saw it.

The calling was bad all the way around. Both lines were getting away with holds on every single play it seemed but Nebraska definately got the brunt of the bad calls. I acknowledged that to my wife half way through the game.

 

[BigWillie]

Is it possible, that just like the Cowboys early in the season, the Huskers are viewed as an undisciplined team and that leads to them getting extra penalties called on them. I'm sure the coach acting like a clown on the sidelines doesn't help that fact either. Ride the refs too much and you just torque them off.

You know why Bo is consistently going off on the horrid officiating? Well, let me show you why ..

Texas A&M Penalties in Big XII play

Baylor 11
Oklahoma 13
Texas Tech 9
Kansas 12
Missouri 8
Okie State 8
Nebraska 2

Are we suddenly to believe that A&M became one of the most disciplined teams in the conference, when nearly every conference game this season shows them not to be?

Ah, it's just an aberration and a one time thing, right? Well, um, stats don't lie ..

OPPONENT PENALTIES G No Yds Avg/G
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1. Kansas.............. 7 54 566 80.9
2. Oklahoma............ 7 60 514 73.4
3. Texas A&M........... 7 53 464 66.3
4. Texas Tech.......... 8 58 507 63.4
5. Kansas State........ 8 51 474 59.2
6. Colorado............ 7 45 396 56.6
7. Texas............... 7 41 384 54.9
8. Oklahoma State...... 7 45 382 54.6
9. Baylor.............. 8 54 433 54.1
10.Missouri............ 7 46 342 48.9
11.Iowa State.......... 8 42 382 47.8
12.Nebraska............ 7 29 266 38.0

Or I guess we are to believe that BY FAR, when teams play Nebraska, they just do not commit penalties in conference play while they do regularly against other opponents?

I guess all that discrepancy is all because a man yells at someone, correct?

You don't get a call here, you don't get a call there - that is understandable. But 16-2 in penalties, and the complete lack of penalties called against Nebraska opponents all year is absolutely absurd, and not even you can deny that, although you will try.

 

[Rogah]

You don't get a call here, you don't get a call there - that is understandable. But 16-2 in penalties, and the complete lack of penalties called against Nebraska opponents all year is absolutely absurd, and not even you can deny that, although you will try.

It's very rare you see back to back personal fouls called against the same team on one single play in such a manner that both personal fouls are enforced. On Saturday night, that happened to Nebraska twice..!! The first time, the entire 30 yards were enforced - which I believe is the play in the video you provided where Texas A&M was making like they were the TSA. The second time was when Nebraska had a touchback so they only enforced 15 yards (half the distance from the 20 and then half the distance from the 10).

I have to be honest and say I haven't watched much Nebraska football this season (I mean, really sat down and watched the game instead of having it among 3 games I am following all at the same time) so I can't comment on how their other games have gone. But man they got hosed in College Station.

 

[The30YardSlant]

In fairness, most of them don't actually join the military.

It's about 50/50. As of last year it was 48% to be exact IIRC

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only call by the officials that really bothered me was the really piss poor roughing the passer call late in the game that I do believe completely cost Nebraska any shot of winning the game at the end.

It was a perfectly legal, and perfect form hit, that shouldn't have ever, for any reason been flagged, and it allowed A&M to keep the ball and keep the clock running.

Other than that I give it totally up to the Aggies cause they played one heck of a darn good ball game.

 

[Cythim]

The only call by the officials that really bothered me was the really piss poor roughing the passer call late in the game that I do believe completely cost Nebraska any shot of winning the game at the end.

It was a perfectly legal, and perfect form hit, that shouldn't have ever, for any reason been flagged, and it allowed A&M to keep the ball and keep the clock running.

Other than that I give it totally up to the Aggies cause they played one heck of a darn good ball game.

Nebraska got the ball back with 3 minutes left and failed to move it downfield, turning it over on downs on their own 30. With the way A&M was moving the ball and stopping Nebraska in the 4th quarter, time was irrelevent.

 

[Rogah]

Nebraska got the ball back with 3 minutes left and failed to move it downfield, turning it over on downs on their own 30. With the way A&M was moving the ball and stopping Nebraska in the 4th quarter, time was irrelevent.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the way A&M was moving the ball and stopping Nebraska in the 4th quarter." A&M only had one 4th quarter drive (not including the kneel down), and that was the drive which was extended by the horrible roughing the passer call, and resulted in a FG. Nebraska had 2 drives. One was the drive you mention above, where they turned it over on downs. The other started on their own 5 (after 2 questionable personal fouls) and went all the way to the A&M 12 before settling for a FG. So that was a pretty impressive 6 minute, 83 yard drive.

A&M had 4 second half possessions and scored 2 FGs. Each of those FG drives were extended by VERY questionable 15 yard penalties. There's no way to know how things play out if those penalties weren't called, but 2 poor penalties cost Nebraska 6 points in a game with a final score of 9-6.

 

[hookemhorns72]

Good news Nebraska! You won't have to come to Texas anymore! Or play anymore of those big,bad teams from the Lone Star State! I was pulling for A&M Saturday! Glad to see A&M getting in on the fairwell party!

 

[Tricericon]

So you don't think the personal foul on the 3rd down late in the game, which gave the Aggies 3 points, did not help decide the game?

Or in general, 16 penalties to 2 did not decide the game?

C'mon, be real.

It's easy to say a healthy Martinez changes things, because it would. However, that is irregardless to the horrendous officiating that went down tonight.

I can take a loss easily. Heck, as much as I hate Texas I will admit they own us. The 1995 Huskers could play Texas this year and I believe we would lose at this point versus that team.

But tonight was downright criminal at what happened.

That's nothing against the Aggie fans or players either. That is directed straight at this conference for employing such inept officials and doing nothing about stuff like this that happens.

You are getting way too bogged down in the details of individual calls. It boils down to this: A&M outplayed Nebraska, and A&M won. Both teams had some breaks go their way and some go against them (with the roughing the passer obviously being a break for A&M) but on aggregate I think Nebraska came out way ahead in the luck department; it could have been 17-3 A&M as easily as 9-6, and after Martinez got stepped on Nebraska showed no sign whatever of being better than or even on par with A&M. Ergo, the officiating did not change the outcome of the game. Simple.

Most of those 16 penalties weren't judgment calls anyway; the Huskers lost their composure completely. Only two that I saw could realistically have *not* been called (and I saw the whole game) and can be chalked up to officiating, the rest must be laid on Nebraska.

 

[BigWillie]

You are getting way too bogged down in the details of individual calls. It boils down to this: A&M outplayed Nebraska, and A&M won. Both teams had some breaks go their way and some go against them (with the roughing the passer obviously being a break for A&M) but on aggregate I think Nebraska came out way ahead in the luck department; it could have been 17-3 A&M as easily as 9-6, and after Martinez got stepped on Nebraska showed no sign whatever of being better than or even on par with A&M. Ergo, the officiating did not change the outcome of the game. Simple.

Most of those 16 penalties weren't judgment calls anyway; the Huskers lost their composure completely. Only two that I saw could realistically have *not* been called (and I saw the whole game) and can be chalked up to officiating, the rest must be laid on Nebraska.

Youz trollin'.

Either that or the homer hat is on too tight.

 

[Cythim]

I'm not sure what you mean by "the way A&M was moving the ball and stopping Nebraska in the 4th quarter." A&M only had one 4th quarter drive (not including the kneel down), and that was the drive which was extended by the horrible roughing the passer call, and resulted in a FG. Nebraska had 2 drives. One was the drive you mention above, where they turned it over on downs. The other started on their own 5 (after 2 questionable personal fouls) and went all the way to the A&M 12 before settling for a FG. So that was a pretty impressive 6 minute, 83 yard drive.

A&M had 4 second half possessions and scored 2 FGs. Each of those FG drives were extended by VERY questionable 15 yard penalties. There's no way to know how things play out if those penalties weren't called, but 2 poor penalties cost Nebraska 6 points in a game with a final score of 9-6.

A&M nearly doubled Nebraska's yards total in the second half. On their last three drives they were gashing Nebraska (35 plays for 203 yards or 5.8 yards per play). The impressive Nebraska drive was thanks to two big plays. Without those two plays Nebraska was averaging 2.5 yards per play in the second half. They had plenty of time to drive the field and tie or take the lead and failed to do so.

 

[Rogah]

This will be my last post on the subject since it just isn't worth continuing to argue when A&M has already played their next game and Nebraska's next game is in about 14 hours from now. Having said that:

A&M nearly doubled Nebraska's yards total in the second half.

In the second half, A&M had 194 yards to 158 for Nebraska. That isn't really "nearly double."

On their last three drives they were gashing Nebraska (35 plays for 203 yards or 5.8 yards per play).

1) You said "the fourth quarter" and now you're trying to change it to the second half or the final 3 drives.

2)All that "gashing" resulted in a grand total of 6 points from 2 field goals, and they shouldn't have even scored those. Nebraska stopped A&M on 3rd down on each of those drives, but each was extended by a poor 15 yard penalty.

3)Your statistic is incorrect. When you calculate a team's total yardage, you don't include the penalties. As I mentioned above, the 2nd half offensive yard production was 194 to 158. Certainly that's advantage A&M, but nowhere near as lopsided as you have said.

The impressive Nebraska drive was thanks to two big plays. Without those two plays Nebraska was averaging 2.5 yards per play in the second half. They had plenty of time to drive the field and tie or take the lead and failed to do so.

This is what is called "cherry picking" stats. You want to keep all of A&M's plays but arbitrarily take away Nebraska's 2 biggest plays for no logical reason whatsoever other than it makes the stats look less balanced.

Well if we play that game and I can keep all of Nebraska's plays, but take away A&M's two biggest plays, then Nebraska actually outgained A&M in the second half.

 

[Cythim]

That is fine, you are obviously underqualified to have this discussion and your semantical arguement is boring me.


Cherry picking stats is not removing two abnormalities to show the true standard. When you are running statistics with a low target group you have to remove the abnormalities to make sure you get the most accurate view of the situation. When you have 29 plays and all but two of them gain fewer than 10 yards you have sufficient proof that those two are abnormal and should not be included in the average.

Now taking away penalty yards is cherry picking. Gaining yards is gaining yards, it does not matter if it is from running, passing or because the other team has lost it's composure. The outcome of the subsequent play would change if the penalty did not happen so taking them away completely ruins any data you have.

The only point I am trying to make here is that A&M was moving the ball late in the game and Nebraska was not. Their last three drives went 50+ yards while Nebraska only had one such drive in the second half.

 

[Rogah]

That is fine, you are obviously underqualified to have this discussion and your semantical arguement is boring me.

While I'm done talking about the game, I do have to admit being curious about what is it about the internet that prevents people from respectfully disagreeing. I always wondered why people get so hostile. Perhaps they feel shielded by the anonymity? Perhaps you are mad because I pointed out your statistics were inaccurate (despite all your doublespeak about how penalty yards are offensive yards)? Or are you upset because deep down you know that my arguments are valid?

I've made my points in a polite and respectful manner. Too bad you can't do the same.