New England is done

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In today's NFL with free agency and salary cap, I think teams have a 4 or 5 year opportunity to really make a run at a superbowl, and you need a lot of lower round draft picks to rise up with low contracts to do it. Superbowl winning players want $ when their contracts are up, and thus begins the exodus. If you can't replace your veterans in the draft, you can never fill the leaks in the dam.
 

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DallasCowboysRule!;3498452 said:
That's exactly how I see them. But they're a few retirements away from being the 2000-2002 Cowboys.

Alot of people forget that Belichick wasn't exactly a world beater up in Cleveland. Which begs the question, did Belichick create the Patriots or did the Patriots create Belichick.

Belichick re-invented cheating though. I guess we have to give him credit for that.
 

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mldardy;3498304 said:
I see the Patriots like we were in the mid to late 90's. Still good but not championship good. Just good enough to win the division make the playoffs and that's it. They lost a lot of experience,talent and leadership(McGinest, Bruschi, Vrabel, Law, Samuel,Seymour, etc) and haven't done well with replacing them.

I agree. I think their championship runs are over but I think they will compete for a playoff spot. Not much different when the Cowboys run was coming to an end.
 

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CowboyMike;3498092 said:
I agree. They're done.

Tom Brady doesn't have that fire, desire, or dedication anymore. And Belichek is so focused on thinking he's a genius that he keeps downgrading his own defense to do so.

:lmao2:
 

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Blast From The Past;3498426 said:
I also live in New England and I rarely see any nfl anything unless it says Patriots on it.

Agreed. They're still the most relevant team up here in Maine, but I'm only an hour or so away from Boston so that explains it. Football as a whole takes a distant third place here, though, behind the Sox and the Celtics. A lot of the people I talk to here are Pats fans, but fans only in a loose sense of the word and most also think their run is over.

Personally, I'm glad they're done only because I don't like Belichick. I think he got a little big for his britches with the whole running up the score business and hope he gets exactly what's coming to him when/if his team is no longer competitive.
 

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Yakuza Rich;3498211 said:
I've been reading Pat Kirwan's great book 'Keep Your Eye Off The Ball' and while he doesn't mention SpyGate at all, it just further solidifies how the cheating by the Patriots helped give them a HUGE advantage. I think the 'experts' that claim it didn't help were either:

1) Pats fanboys or former Pats players
2) They don't fully understand how the coaching and scouting work in the NFL
3) They are just ignorant.


If you remember, the great thing about the Pats back then was how they 'guessed right' on plays..particularly big plays...all of the time and that they 'didn't have any tendencies.' In today's NFL, it's impossible to 'guess right' that often and not have any clear tendencies.

This is where I agree with guys like Parcells that execution is so important (although I think Parcells goes overboard with that idea). Teams generally have an idea of what's coming and you're not going to fool teams that often, so you need to out-execute them a large part of the time. But there's a difference between 'having an idea of what's coming' and 'knowing exactly what's coming' and that's the difference between being a HC who continually lost in Cleveland and then his first year in NE to becoming a HoF head coach.

Of course, you'll get the 'they went undefeated when they got caught in the first game.' My belief is that the one thing Belichick and Pioli did that was stupendous is use their success to their advantage. We heard about all of this nonsense of 'The Patriot Way' and how the Patriots were a different organization. Well, other franchises bought into this crap as well and hired their coaches (and failed), traded for their players (and failed) signed their free agents to big contracts (and failed). Meanwhile, the Pats were able to get the better end of deals and eventually wound up with Moss (the greatest deep threat of our generation) and Welker (the greatest slot receiver of our generation). By then, Brady developed into a great QB and they could just throw the ball all day and score a billion points. Plus, the refs just happened to be awful that year and give the Pats every break they could. But, notice how the running game stunk that season and the defense was really more or less mediocre. They didn't stockpile those areas with massive talent and no longer had Ernie Adams telling them with the exact playcall was.

I compare it to playing poker with somebody who has been cheating the entire time and then gets caught. But by now they have such a huge stack of chips that they have put themselves in such a favorable position that it makes it difficult for them to lose...but they are nowhere near as good as they were when they were cheating.






YR
Excellent Post, I especially agree with the statements in bold.
 
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