New perspective on RW trade, humbly advanced ..

[igtmfo]

Thesis: Jerry's third round pick he gave up for RW was a "free" pick. (See below). So all he gave up for RW was a one.

Draft day 2008, Jerry traded our second 4th-round pick to Cleveland for their 3rd round pick in 2009. (The second 4th-round pick that we gave up, we would have taken OT Anthony Collins now of the Bengals (I know this because just listened to our draft-day 2008 "The Blitz" TV show again, with war room arguments on the clock about this (on local Dallas TV, now that show is defunct sad to say) .... I watched it again this morning because I wanted to purge it from my TIVO, running out of disk space ...

We were determined to take T. Choice with our first 4th-round pick that day, but gave up the later probable 4th-round pick of Collins for the next-years' 3-pick of the Browns (according to the draft room arguments of Jerry, Stephen, Wade. ... Ciskowski had the last word on camera when he said that guys like A. Collins could be had in the 4th round any year ... so Jerry immediately called Cleveland and made the trade on the clock... kinda dramatic stuff down to the wire !) ..

Anthony Collins is on-off starter for the Bengals. Kind of in the doghouse so the Bengals are starting a guy named Dennis Roland over him lately ... Sounds like he would be in the doghouse here too .. Collins was good as a rookie, started late in the season, but apparently has regressed.

So anyway around trade deadline last year, thinking of RW and what Detroit wants for him ... Jerry knows that our 3rd round pick will be lower than Cleveland's, so he figures that throwing in a 3 pick like Detroit wants is essentially a "free" pick. We still have Cleveland's higher pick in the 3rd round that we got "for free," so we can give up our lower third pick.

So in Jerry's mind, all we really gave up for Roy is a one-pick. The three pick we gave up was our own pick, which wasn't too relevant since we got a higher pick in the same round from Cleveland. And the sixth pick was just a swap of our sixth for Detroit's seventh.

Does this make anybody feel better? ... I'm sure this was Jerry's rationale ..

 

[stilltheguru]

Roy sucks, period. People can make up whatever scenario they want to make it look better, but facts are facts.

 

[kramskoi]

Roy sucks, period. People can make up whatever scenario they want to make it look better, but facts are facts.

...well the Cowboys and us fans better hope he un-sucks, and soon because the double teams of Austin are surely coming and Roy is going to have to be the man that makes them pay...

 

[UVAwahoos]

Thesis: Jerry's third round pick he gave up for RW was a "free" pick. (See below). So all he gave up for RW was a one.

Draft day 2008, Jerry traded our second 4th-round pick to Cleveland for their 3rd round pick in 2009. (The second 4th-round pick that we gave up, we would have taken OT Anthony Collins now of the Bengals (I know this because just listened to our draft-day 2008 "The Blitz" TV show again, with war room arguments on the clock about this (on local Dallas TV, now that show is defunct sad to say) .... I watched it again this morning because I wanted to purge it from my TIVO, running out of disk space ...

We were determined to take T. Choice with our first 4th-round pick that day, but gave up the later probable 4th-round pick of Collins for the next-years' 3-pick of the Browns (according to the draft room arguments of Jerry, Stephen, Wade. ... Ciskowski had the last word on camera when he said that guys like A. Collins could be had in the 4th round any year ... so Jerry immediately called Cleveland and made the trade on the clock... kinda dramatic stuff down to the wire !) ..

Anthony Collins is on-off starter for the Bengals. Kind of in the doghouse so the Bengals are starting a guy named Dennis Roland over him lately ... Sounds like he would be in the doghouse here too .. Collins was good as a rookie, started late in the season, but apparently has regressed.

So anyway around trade deadline last year, thinking of RW and what Detroit wants for him ... Jerry knows that our 3rd round pick will be lower than Cleveland's, so he figures that throwing in a 3 pick like Detroit wants is essentially a "free" pick. We still have Cleveland's higher pick in the 3rd round that we got "for free," so we can give up our lower third pick.

So in Jerry's mind, all we really gave up for Roy is a one-pick. The three pick we gave up was our own pick, which wasn't too relevant since we got a higher pick in the same round from Cleveland. And the sixth pick was just a swap of our sixth for Detroit's seventh.

Does this make anybody feel better? ... I'm sure this was Jerry's rationale ..

Honestly...if Jerry were capable of this sort of rationale and insight, he would not have traded for Roy in the first place. It was a bad move by a very bad GM. This is why I'm sure "Dallas" and "Oakland" come up in most NFL front office talks when they're trying to figure out how to rob a team of some picks and dump some salary, similar to "Memphis Grizzlies" in the NBA.

 

[Hoofbite]

Theres no such thing as a "free" pick.

 

[igtmfo]

Theres no such thing as a "free" pick.

Well hell yes. FWIW I've been more pissed about this crazy thing than anyone. I'm just trying to get into Jerry's mind. I'm trying to understand how he could rationalize it.

There was thought that the 2009 draft sucked, so trade down or trade out (which lots of teams did ....)

Jerry thought he was playing with house money ... The first round (and second too, and so maybe the whole draft overall) last April was weak. That's true, but only by missing maybe 4,5,6 or more blue chippers that would otherwise be in most drafts in the high first round.

The third round pick he bargained for (actually, Cleveland called us .. as did Pittsburgh for the same swap in the same round ..) was something that he could bet and wouldn't hurt his pocketbook.

That first rounder could at least be traded down and down and turn into 2-3-4 extra picks this year and next year, when we don't have any extra picks. Even though everybody on this board sez "Well which 1st rd pick at pick 20 would have made more impact this year than RW?" ... not a good argument. We lost a lot of future value (at least) with Jerry's rash gambling ... You think the Giants would have made a trade like this??? They never trade picks as a matter of principle. Of course, they don't miss on the ones they make either ..

 

[brickman]

Roy sucks, period. People can make up whatever scenario they want to make it look better, but facts are facts.

Ditto.

 

[zrinkill]

Roy sucks, period.

Then what does that say about the guy he replaced?

How he doin?

:laugh2:

 

[gbrittain]

Roy sucks, period. People can make up whatever scenario they want to make it look better, but facts are facts.

Facts are facts except when you are talking about Romo. Romo IS very good and no matter how and when you spin it you are wrong...because facts are facts.

 

[ZeroClub]

Roy hasn't been impressive so far, but it is too early to say that things will never start clicking with him, IMO.

 

[newlander]

ahhhh yeah we know that. still he sucks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Premature to say the guy sucks. He's a Pro Bowler. Or was. Funny. Last season you same idiots who say he sucks were saying he's better than tO. now you've hopped off the bandwaggon.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

If someone gives you a free $20 bill and you walk out into the street and buy a hotdog for $20, you still got ripped off.