New receivers and QB, Same issues from the past (old threads)

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It's funny how as things change, things stay the same. We are still talking about how our receivers don't get open same as we have done before. Here are some old threads that are just like the threads I've been seeing here lately. Different players, same results. Maybe, just maybe, it's not the players.

Are receivers getting open?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/are-receivers-getting-open.268011/#post-5212372

What happened to our offense?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-happened-to-our-offense.267832/page-3#post-5209545


Concerned about Romo (thread about Romo having time but dumping it off for short gain)
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/concerned-about-romo.264745/

Romo-Apologists: Take Notice During Game
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-apologists-take-notice-during-game.247715/#post-4853915

Time to unleash Beasley ( Time to unleash Tavon?)
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/time-to-unleash-beasley.247123/#post-4838129

I could probably find more but you get the idea.



 
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Romo definitely did duck and chuck during most of 2013, no doubt about it. He would throw and then crumple into a ball before the rush could get close. Of course, it was an aberration for a guy who was usually known for using his fast release to hold the ball too long.
Despite any phony panic, Romo still tossed nearly 60 TDS between 2012 and 2013... which for Dak at his current pace would take 47 years and 4 months.
 
Lol

That’s why I always wait 2 days before posting after a Lose, if I’m really pissed about it. Everyone always goes to extremes lol game day threads are the BEST
 
QB’s often get too much credit when the offensive is doing well, and too much blame when the offense plays poorly. It takes 11 men doing their jobs correctly to be successful. We are not seeing that. The OL, WR’s, TE’s, RB’s, and the QB are all playing poorly.
 
Romo covered a lot of warts for the coaching staff. Romo had the experience to be able to call, change plays and redirect players on the line. It wasn't just his talent, but experience that allowed that. Our offense stalled and would stagnant often then too and frequently relied on Romo playing backyard football to get the job done. Romo held the ball alot too, guys weren't open on the initial routes. He had to overcome our vanilla schemes, but at least he had Dez and Witten that could get themselves open or make the plays because of their own ability. Dak doesn't have Romo's talent, but he also doesn't have his experience or players that can overcome our scheme and philosophy and make plays on their own.
 
Super_Kazuya said:
Romo definitely did duck and chuck during most of 2013, no doubt about it. He would throw and then crumple into a ball before the rush could get close. Of course, it was an aberration for a guy who was usually known for using his fast release to hold the ball too long.
Despite any phony panic, Romo still tossed nearly 60 TDS between 2012 and 2013... which for Dak at his current pace would take 47 years and 4 months.
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Purpose of this thread isn't to compare Romo to Dak but to point out the same issues we currently have existed even with Romo.

There aren't many QBs that are better than Romo and until we get someone who is significantly better, JG's offense will still have same issues. It will be easier to replace JG's offense than find a QB that is significantly better than Romo.
 
Purpose of this thread isn't to compare Romo to Dak but to point out the same issues we currently have existed even with Romo.

There aren't many QBs that are better than Romo and until we get someone who is significantly better, JG's offense will still have same issues. It will be easier to replace JG's offense than find a QB that is significantly better than Romo.
 
Zman5 said:
It's funny how as things change, things stay the same. We are still talking about how our receivers don't get open same as we have done before. Here are some old threads that are just like the threads I've been seeing here lately. Different players, same results. Maybe, just maybe, it's not the players.

Are receivers getting open?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/are-receivers-getting-open.268011/#post-5212372

What happened to our offense?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-happened-to-our-offense.267832/page-3#post-5209545


Concerned about Romo (thread about Romo having time but dumping it off for short gain)
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/concerned-about-romo.264745/

Romo-Apologists: Take Notice During Game
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-apologists-take-notice-during-game.247715/#post-4853915

Time to unleash Beasley ( Time to unleash Tavon?)
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/time-to-unleash-beasley.247123/#post-4838129

I could probably find more but you get the idea.
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My post linked in the first post doesn't work? There is an imgur post LbtFu of that bike and an album LbtFu, and it's showing the post. Is that an old imgur embed method problem or something imgur changed?

is the linked post
 
hairic said:
My post linked in the first post doesn't work? There is an imgur post LbtFu of that bike and an album LbtFu, and it's showing the post. Is that an old imgur embed method problem or something imgur changed?

is the linked post
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Was that you who had all the All-22 shots of the routes our WR ran one year? If you still have that one , it'd be great if you can you post it.
 
There’s definitely a system issue aside from just players and swear there’s a flaw in Garett’s offense somewhere,and do want a new OC..but I’m leaning to trying White before long. Dak isn’t improving enough in his mechanics for me to be comfortable with him as a pocket passer. I need to see passes hit guys on outs,not floating out in front and over their heads. Unless they make him more an option QB,I don’t know where they’re going anymore. They can talk about doing things better till the cows come home,but offenses don’t have these games where they look this bad,if things are being worked on and it keeps happening. I’m seriously ready to blow the whole offense up,and start over from scratch.
 
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Hairic used to upload/ post links to the cowboys games so we could rewatch. Wonder if he's still around?
 
My simple fix from non-professional:

1. Find a QB who can execute this lame offensive scheme

or

2. Find a new HC and OC who can design an offense around Dak

It is clear to me that Garretts scheme and Dak's abilities blend together like oil and water. At least, one of the above has to happen, if not both.
 
Zman5 said:
Was that you who had all the All-22 shots of the routes our WR ran one year? If you still have that one , it'd be great if you can you post it.
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I have them, but hardly posted them. Videos got taken down quickly and gifs had to be sized to fit as there was no gifv/webm/mp4 hosts.

There's this, but it's not complete (only 5 plays):

 
hairic said:
I have them, but hardly posted them. Videos got taken down quickly and gifs had to be sized to fit as there was no gifv/webm/mp4 hosts.

There's this, but it's not complete (only 5 plays):

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Thanks man.
 
AtlCPA said:
QB’s often get too much credit when the offensive is doing well, and too much blame when the offense plays poorly. It takes 11 men doing their jobs correctly to be successful. We are not seeing that. The OL, WR’s, TE’s, RB’s, and the QB are all playing poorly.
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You left out the coaches, if whole team is playing poorly that means they are being coached poorly and bad game plans and playbook.
But when you have the 2 owner/coaches saying to the coaches, do this and dont do that, they are part of the problem too.
 
The revisionist history here...

The 2013 Dallas Cowboys were not a good team.

That being said Romo did the following:

3800 yards passing, 31 touchdowns, 7.2 yards per attempt.

Dak this year is doing the following:

5.7 yards per attempt on pace for 2656 yards and 10.6 touchdowns...

In 2013 the Cowboys had the 26 ranked defense (points).

People are complaining about Connor Williams? Romo had Mackenzy Bernadeau and Doug Free in his waning years... and a still developing Ron Leary.... certainly no Martin...
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Romo covered a lot of warts for the coaching staff. Romo had the experience to be able to call, change plays and redirect players on the line. It wasn't just his talent, but experience that allowed that. Our offense stalled and would stagnant often then too and frequently relied on Romo playing backyard football to get the job done. Romo held the ball alot too, guys weren't open on the initial routes. He had to overcome our vanilla schemes, but at least he had Dez and Witten that could get themselves open or make the plays because of their own ability. Dak doesn't have Romo's talent, but he also doesn't have his experience or players that can overcome our scheme and philosophy and make plays on their own.
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The other thing is romo had the star status and his big contract already, so he could go against the coaches , plays etc, and do more
what he thought was best.
Dak is not that big of a star, and doesnt have his big contract yet, and doesnt want to screw that up, so he does as he is told.
I think he loved running the rpo against the giants, then stephen said he didnt want dak running, so the coaches had to stop
using those plays, and the wheels came off the offense.

The problem with our routes, is they take too long, and with good pressure from other teams D , our qb just does not have the time to wait
for those routes to develop.
If Dak has 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball, and our receivers dont even look back till 6 seconds, the qb is sacked or running from the rush
by that time.

Also the sideline routes are near impossible to throw on the run, or with linemen in your face.
A deep pass on the sideline is very hard for any qb to hit because the ball usually comes down out of bounds, or wr catches it but 1 foot out
etc.
The pass to tavon was more infield. and he could adjust and run under the ball, if that was on sideline he can only adjust 1 way.

But our problems start with our owner coaches, lol last year it was throw to dez, get him involved, and with dez not playing too good.
that killed a lot of drives.
Now they dont want dak running which is part of his skill set, and really helps the offense. They all run if they can , even Fitz who is old takes
off a few times a game. And we have a qb who is probably top 3 in running qb's and now our coaches, cant use that.
 
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