New Year's Eve Mock

[The Realist]

Resign: Mo, Church, McClain, Butler.

1) Cordea Tankersly 6-0/200 CB: 5 picks 2015, 3 picks 2016, 19 PBU's last 2 years.

2) Cooper Kupp 6-2/215 WR: Catches /TD's 93/21, 104/16, 114/19, 117/17.

3) Jake Butt TE: 20/2, 21/2, 51/3, 43/4. Tore up knee in bowl game.

4) Deatrick Wise 6-5/270 DE: 8 sacks in 2015, 3.5 this year. Broke hand in season opener and separated shoulder on 10/22. Played through it all year.

 

[tcain2004]

Resign: Mo, Church, McClain, Butler.

1) Cordea Tankersly 6-0/200 CB: 5 picks 2015, 3 picks 2016, 19 PBU's last 2 years.

2) Cooper Kupp 6-2/215 WR: Catches /TD's 93/21, 104/16, 114/19, 117/17.

3) Jake Butt TE: 20/2, 21/2, 51/3, 43/4. Tore up knee in bowl game.

4) Deatrick Wise 6-5/270 DE: 8 sacks in 2015, 3.5 this year. Broke hand in season opener and separated shoulder on 10/22. Played through it all year.

Only one defender in the first 3?

 

[rwalters31]

Resign: Mo, Church, McClain, Butler.

1) Cordea Tankersly 6-0/200 CB: 5 picks 2015, 3 picks 2016, 19 PBU's last 2 years.

2) Cooper Kupp 6-2/215 WR: Catches /TD's 93/21, 104/16, 114/19, 117/17.

3) Jake Butt TE: 20/2, 21/2, 51/3, 43/4. Tore up knee in bowl game.

4) Deatrick Wise 6-5/270 DE: 8 sacks in 2015, 3.5 this year. Broke hand in season opener and separated shoulder on 10/22. Played through it all year.

What??? Get some sleep!! You're delirious!!

 

[stilltheguru88]

What??? Get some sleep!! You're delirious!!

I'd hate that draft. No offense OP

 

[The Realist]

What??? Get some sleep!! You're delirious!!

With Lawrence/Irving, Collins/Crawford, McClain/Thornton, Tapper/Mayowa/Gregory (suspended) will CB be a bigger need than DL? You can only take 8 DL to the game.

 

[The Realist]

Only one defender in the first 3?

Correct. Fans have been crying for D for 5 years. Good thing the front office hasn't listened and reached.

 

[KingintheNorth]

It isn't an awful draft but isn't inspiring either.

Butt may want to come back now. We'll see.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

There's no way I'm taking Butt in the 3rd if he really tore his knee up. This late in the year he will not be ready to contribute in 2017.

Add to the fact this is one of the deeper TE classes in recent history, there is no reason to force the issue taking an injured TE in the 3rd round.

 

[The Realist]

There's no way I'm taking Butt in the 3rd if he really tore his knee up. This late in the year he will not be ready to contribute in 2017.

Add to the fact this is one of the deeper TE classes in recent history, there is no reason to force the issue taking an injured TE in the 3rd round.

Subtract the guys who are really nothing more than big WR's, then how deep is this TE class?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Subtract the guys who are really nothing more than big WR's, then how deep is this TE class?

I don't see your point.

This is a pass predominant league that values pass catching TEs; dismissing this year's crop of TE prospects because they aren't all throwback types is a bit offbase because it doesn't reflect how the vast majority of teams utilize the position.

And I'll go back to a point made a few weeks back. As a matter of personnel development at the position, give me an athletic guy with requisite size/athleticism that is a good receiver and I'll take my chances with building his strength and teaching technique to make him a complete player over some marginal athlete playing as a glorified third OT on the line.

 

[The Realist]

I don't see your point.

This is a pass predominant league that values pass catching TEs; dismissing this year's crop of TE prospects because they aren't all throwback types is a bit offbase because it doesn't reflect how the vast majority of teams utilize the position.

And I'll go back to a point made a few weeks back. As a matter of personnel development at the position, give me an athletic guy with requisite size/athleticism that is a good receiver and I'll take my chances with building his strength and teaching technique to make him a complete player over some marginal athlete playing as a glorified third OT on the line.

How the vast majority of teams use the position is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we require of the position and guys who will be able to do that. Must be able to block or else you're worthless. Escobar is plenty athletic, has great hands and runs great routes. His career in Dallas is over in a month.

 

[JohnsKey19]

With Lawrence/Irving, Collins/Crawford, McClain/Thornton, Tapper/Mayowa/Gregory (suspended) will CB be a bigger need than DL? You can only take 8 DL to the game.

Good point. If McClain is re-signed and they still believe in Tapper, I have a hard time seeing them going DL early in the draft. Of course this is assuming they believe Lawrence will fully recover from his back injury.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

How the vast majority of teams use the position is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we require of the position and guys who will be able to do that. Must be able to block or else you're worthless. Escobar is plenty athletic, has great hands and runs great routes. His career in Dallas is over in a month.

You're reframing the discussion. You're saying this draft isn't deep in TEs, which simply isn't accurate.

What's relevant isn't how one team (Dallas) utilizes its TEs doesn't negate how the vast majority of the league use their TEs and how they value pass catchers, which this draft is chalk full of.

You're also overstating Escobar's athleticism. There is a spectrum of blocking ability; Escobar is at the bottom end of.

 

[The Realist]

You're reframing the discussion. You're saying this draft isn't deep in TEs, which simply isn't accurate.

What's relevant isn't how one team (Dallas) utilizes its TEs doesn't negate how the vast majority of the league use their TEs and how they value pass catchers, which this draft is chalk full of.

You're also overstating Escobar's athleticism. There is a spectrum of blocking ability; Escobar is at the bottom end of.

It's not reframing the discussion. How the rest of the league uses TE's doesn't matter in Dallas if we require ours to block and be multi-faceted. That's like saying a draft is full of defensive tackles but they are 1 gap, slug, run stoppers. Is that a fit for Rod's screen? Obviously not. If a draft is said to be full of edge rushers but the vast majority of them we see as 3-4 OLB's, is the draft indeed deep at edge rusher position for us?

This draft isn't deep at TE. It's deep at 6-4+, 250+ slot receivers.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's not reframing the discussion. How the rest of the league uses TE's doesn't matter in Dallas if we require ours to block and be multi-faceted. That's like saying a draft is full of defensive tackles but they are 1 gap, slug, run stoppers. Is that a fit for Rod's screen? Obviously not. If a draft is said to be full of edge rushers but the vast majority of them we see as 3-4 OLB's, is the draft indeed deep at edge rusher position for us?

This draft isn't deep at TE. It's deep at 6-4+, 250+ slot receivers.

You responded to my comment that this is one of the deeper TE classes in memory by applying your strict definition of what a true tight end is and trying to dismiss TE prospects available in this class by filtering out how the Cowboys use TEs in their scheme.

That's re-framing the discussion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If the Cowboys go WR and TE before DE this place will have a meltdown.

 

[The Realist]

You responded to my comment that this is one of the deeper TE classes in memory by applying your strict definition of what a true tight end is and trying to dismiss TE prospects available in this class by filtering out how the Cowboys use TEs in their scheme.

That's re-framing the discussion.

The best DT on the board fell to us (Shariff Floyd). If it's not a fit for the Cowboys it's totally not relevant.

 

[Biggems]

for TE, I want Phazahn Odom of Fordham....can be had in the late rounds....he is huge 6'8 and about 250. He is a very good receiver and a great red zone threat. He isn't a road grader, as far as blocking goes, but he does enough to take his man out of the play and allow the ball carrier to get into space.

I saw his highlight package, and one thing that impressed me, they showed highlights of him blocking.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The best DT on the board fell to us (Shariff Floyd). If it's not a fit for the Cowboys it's totally not relevant.

I'm actually a fan of football and the draft, so I don't share in that limited perspective.

 

[The Realist]

I'm actually a fan of football and the draft, so I don't share in that limited perspective.

Yeah I guess I'm just a fringe fan. Went to then draft (all 7 rounds) 3 years in a row when I lived in NYC. Used to record 100 games per year to DVD so I could watch full games of Ware vs LSU or Canty vs Va. Tech.