cannonball44
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Yes, it seems like an issue worthy of a "Matt Jones beat down" has finally arrived.
This time, the apparent problems Between Ellis and Parcells is the crap stirrer. And as always, there are some smart posters giving their thought-provoking opinions on the matter.
and on the flipside, some posters BEGGING to get slapped.
Which one are you?? read and find out.
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Your begging to be slapped if you think:
1. We'll be trading/cutting Ellis.
Trade him for who?? Mike Williams, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, draft picks?? PUHLEAZE!!! It will take AT LEAST Ellis and a 2 or 3rd to get the above receivers. Any trade with Indy won't happen because they have bookends in people like Freeney and Mathis. and in Viking land?? Erasmus James and Kenechi Udeze. To all these nay-sayers, I say:
We trade him, then what?? Canty's health doesn't work out, Spears gets a high ankle sprain in preseason, and we have a Ferguson being sandwiched by a Ratliff and Kenyon Coleman, who are backed up by Glover, Carson, and Jermaine Brooks
??!!! <-- thats your question, answer it.
I believe Parcells was the one who said you can't have enough d-lineman
2. That Ellis is somehow "anti-team"
Well this seems to be stemming from three things. The first is money, and that Ellis somehow wants (more of?) his. Well considering the fact Ellis is took less money to REMAIN a Cowboy and got a MEASLEY 4.5 million dollar signing bonus SHOULD settle that arguement. How much did we give Anthony Henry and Ferguson? (and how many times have they made the pro bowl?), and when you have players like Terrell Owens and Grady Jackson about to stay out of camp to get more?? gotta be kidding me. Lets not forget the much resounded bonus claim of a SCANT 500k. the Boys aren't cap strapped, they can afford to pay it. If Ellis somehow was cut or traded, I guarantee you his contract would be BIGGER than the one he is currently working under.
The second is playing time. There WILL be a 4-3. there will ALSO be a 3-4. His playing time may be reduced 20%. There seem to be plenty of people thinking that there is NO POSSIBLE way that Ellis will be effective, or that we'll be playing 3-4 100% of the time. The problem is that half of the time, we'll be in the nickel ANYWAY. so he'll be in the game. the 20% that he'll be missing will probably be exlcusively 3-4. So assuming he plays about 50% of the 3-4 snaps, he'll get PLENTY of playing time. and most MPORTANTLY, he'll be fresh for the fourth, and less wear and tear in weeks 13-19<--
I think this is the only thing Ellis may be underestimating, and that maybe he should rethink.
The third is something that I just don't understand. People are saying that he's not "team-first" and skipping minicamps and talking to the press proves it. Well FIRST, he skipped the MORNING session of a VOLUNTARY practice. he could have had a migraine and took the morning off. I doubt he'd be missing much. and talking to the press keeps the air between him and fans clear. so that we don't have people running around saying he doesn't have a can-do attitude or he's not team first, or that he's a "me me me" type player. The JJT article clearly states:
"There was some screaming," he said, "but I didn't scream."<--sounds like he was cool and calm and trying to have a "civilized" discusssion, when Parcells decides to blow his top and try to bully Ellis like some kind of schoolyard jaunt through NY. He also said he'd keep an open mind. where's the me me me in that?
"When the meeting ended, Ellis said he told Parcells he would try his best to be a productive player in the scheme." sounds like the can-do attitude and leadership we have grown to see from one our best PLAYERS AND SACK LEADERS.
For the last time, the FANS are with him, and that means Jerry is with him, cuz IMO Jerry and the fans are one and the same. He's just a REALLY lucky one who's not too good at "franchise mode" ie. being the GM and such. We need to think about the player sometimes. This isn't a Terrell Owens or Antonio Bryant problem. Ellis didn't throw his jersey in anyones face, he's not calling his QB a weak/gay/tired punk. This is a legitimate "Ed reed" type problem where the player does have some legit gripes with the "management". Remember, Greg Ellis wasn't the one screaming, he said he'll keep an open mind, that's the team leader and great locker room guy that WE know.
How many people would be against Roy Williams or Julius Jones if Parcells went with a Cover two D or a pass-happy O, and those players confessed their concerns??
The bottomline is this:
The Cowboys are a better team WITH Greg Ellis than WITHOUT him.
Peace out.
-Cball44
*props to lonestar for the title.
This time, the apparent problems Between Ellis and Parcells is the crap stirrer. And as always, there are some smart posters giving their thought-provoking opinions on the matter.
and on the flipside, some posters BEGGING to get slapped.
Which one are you?? read and find out.
___________________________________________________________
Your begging to be slapped if you think:
1. We'll be trading/cutting Ellis.
Trade him for who?? Mike Williams, Javon Walker, Reggie Wayne, draft picks?? PUHLEAZE!!! It will take AT LEAST Ellis and a 2 or 3rd to get the above receivers. Any trade with Indy won't happen because they have bookends in people like Freeney and Mathis. and in Viking land?? Erasmus James and Kenechi Udeze. To all these nay-sayers, I say:
We trade him, then what?? Canty's health doesn't work out, Spears gets a high ankle sprain in preseason, and we have a Ferguson being sandwiched by a Ratliff and Kenyon Coleman, who are backed up by Glover, Carson, and Jermaine Brooks
I believe Parcells was the one who said you can't have enough d-lineman
2. That Ellis is somehow "anti-team"
Well this seems to be stemming from three things. The first is money, and that Ellis somehow wants (more of?) his. Well considering the fact Ellis is took less money to REMAIN a Cowboy and got a MEASLEY 4.5 million dollar signing bonus SHOULD settle that arguement. How much did we give Anthony Henry and Ferguson? (and how many times have they made the pro bowl?), and when you have players like Terrell Owens and Grady Jackson about to stay out of camp to get more?? gotta be kidding me. Lets not forget the much resounded bonus claim of a SCANT 500k. the Boys aren't cap strapped, they can afford to pay it. If Ellis somehow was cut or traded, I guarantee you his contract would be BIGGER than the one he is currently working under.
The second is playing time. There WILL be a 4-3. there will ALSO be a 3-4. His playing time may be reduced 20%. There seem to be plenty of people thinking that there is NO POSSIBLE way that Ellis will be effective, or that we'll be playing 3-4 100% of the time. The problem is that half of the time, we'll be in the nickel ANYWAY. so he'll be in the game. the 20% that he'll be missing will probably be exlcusively 3-4. So assuming he plays about 50% of the 3-4 snaps, he'll get PLENTY of playing time. and most MPORTANTLY, he'll be fresh for the fourth, and less wear and tear in weeks 13-19<--
The third is something that I just don't understand. People are saying that he's not "team-first" and skipping minicamps and talking to the press proves it. Well FIRST, he skipped the MORNING session of a VOLUNTARY practice. he could have had a migraine and took the morning off. I doubt he'd be missing much. and talking to the press keeps the air between him and fans clear. so that we don't have people running around saying he doesn't have a can-do attitude or he's not team first, or that he's a "me me me" type player. The JJT article clearly states:
"There was some screaming," he said, "but I didn't scream."<--sounds like he was cool and calm and trying to have a "civilized" discusssion, when Parcells decides to blow his top and try to bully Ellis like some kind of schoolyard jaunt through NY. He also said he'd keep an open mind. where's the me me me in that?
"When the meeting ended, Ellis said he told Parcells he would try his best to be a productive player in the scheme." sounds like the can-do attitude and leadership we have grown to see from one our best PLAYERS AND SACK LEADERS.
For the last time, the FANS are with him, and that means Jerry is with him, cuz IMO Jerry and the fans are one and the same. He's just a REALLY lucky one who's not too good at "franchise mode" ie. being the GM and such. We need to think about the player sometimes. This isn't a Terrell Owens or Antonio Bryant problem. Ellis didn't throw his jersey in anyones face, he's not calling his QB a weak/gay/tired punk. This is a legitimate "Ed reed" type problem where the player does have some legit gripes with the "management". Remember, Greg Ellis wasn't the one screaming, he said he'll keep an open mind, that's the team leader and great locker room guy that WE know.
How many people would be against Roy Williams or Julius Jones if Parcells went with a Cover two D or a pass-happy O, and those players confessed their concerns??
The bottomline is this:
The Cowboys are a better team WITH Greg Ellis than WITHOUT him.
Peace out.
-Cball44
*props to lonestar for the title.
