Next OC. Mike McCarthy or Kliff Kingsbury?

[rynochop]

So you promote Richard. Is he equipped to handle a team?

The last time he had a whole side of the football in Seattle he got fired.

Just because he yells, picks fights and impresses you with his animation does not mean he is ready to run a football team.

yeah..everyone loves the rah rah guy..and they rarely work out...but it looks cool on the sideline

 

[WillieBeamen]

I am nor so sure...... the NFL is about talent and execution and about play calling not necessarily play design....everyone runs the same route trees..... Kelly was supposed to be this college genius who was going to revolutionize the NFL and he is out of the league in 4 years......the college spread offenses don't translate to NFL that easily

True, but Chips downfall was more because of his personel moves than his scheme. He made some very questionable roster moves in Philly and once he got to SF, he had no talent.

 

[Alexander]

yeah..everyone loves the rah rah guy..and they rarely work out...but it looks cool on the sideline

It is kind of like how fans want former players to just step right in and coach players.

It is just that easy.

I am pretty shocked there weren't some Michael Irvin for head coach threads after this the other night.

 

[Cowboys22]

So you promote Richard. Is he equipped to handle a team?

The last time he had a whole side of the football in Seattle he got fired.

Just because he yells, picks fights and impresses you with his animation does not mean he is ready to run a football team.

I attribute the defense’s improvement and success squarely on his shoulders. I think he is a true leader and gets his guys to bye in. Everyone gets fired. That’s why they become available. He got fired after they lost a lot of their defensive talent and it went south. The bottom line with me is what he is doing with a high percentage of the same players that as a group have sucked in the past. I want that guy trying to do that with the whole team.

 

[Elusive6thRing]

Any college concepts that get imported to the NFL with a guy that understands them are better than some 30 year lifer that thinks the NFL is like it was even 15 years ago.

It is so evident and clear that the talent that is going to the NFL is not what it once was. They all have been taught this spread nonsense since Pee Wee.

Either embrace it or perish.

I hate it, because it does not seem like the football I grew up on, but I am not dumb enough to think that old coaches in the NFL can teach these kids completely new things.

Trying to imitate other teams usually doesn't work. We don't have the roster to be the Rams or the Saints or the Chiefs. What good would air raid do with this roster? You think Dak will turn into Mahomes?

I really can't think of any college coach that has moved to the NFL and suceeded lately. Chip Kelly failed, Pete Carroll is defensive minded. Maybe you can think of some examples I can't. People would be disappointed with Kliff he's no innovative mind.

 

[Alexander]

Trying to imitate other teams usually doesn't work. We don't have the roster to be the Rams or the Saints or the Chiefs. What good would air raid do with this roster? You think Dak will turn into Mahomes?

I really can't think of any college coach that has moved to the NFL and suceeded lately. Chip Kelly failed, Pete Carroll is defensive minded. Maybe you can think of some examples I can't.

So you have teams like the Patriots who have been consistent, then now the Rams and Chiefs import spread concepts and are successful.

Payton himself says he steals from college and pro opponents every week.

Imitation is fearful when you do something dumb, like think that Romo can be like Brady. Or that Dak Prescott is like Goff.

It all comes down to the brains involved in the thought process.

If you think there is a lot of original thought in the NFL coaching fraternity, I hate to break the news to you that there isn't.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Frankly I'm more concerned about the HC more than the OC.

Changing coordinators without changing who's running the team feels like rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Don’t know if McCarthy is a great coach. It’s difficult to have confidence in him when he can’t win with Rodgers.

Exactly.

We all know most of their big wins were a result of Rodgers and his magic act at the end of games.

 

[Elusive6thRing]

So you have teams like the Patriots who have been consistent, then now the Rams and Chiefs import spread concepts and are successful.

Payton himself says he steals from college and pro opponents every week.

Imitation is fearful when you do something dumb, like think that Romo can be like Brady. Or that Dak Prescott is like Goff.

It all comes down to the brains involved in the thought process.

If you think there is a lot of original thought in the NFL coaching fraternity, I hate to break the news to you that there isn't.

Say what you want I'm in Lubbock I go to the games, Kliff Kingsbury is not going to change our team. Period.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Kingsbury won't take an OC job. Too many HC offers.

Not unless he gets paid top dollars. Heck, Garrett gets paid to clap and slap for millions of dollars.

 

[Alexander]

Say what you want I'm in Lubbock I go to the games, Kliff Kingsbury is not going to change our team. Period.

Guessing, but I bet you are just angry because he was a poor head coach and recruiter for your team.

If he can bring thought and concepts to a team that they do not have now, I don't see the problem.

It all goes back to the role. There are a ton of assistant coaches in the NFL right now that do their jobs very well but are not equipped from a personality perspective to handle a bigger role.

Kingsbury might have been out of his element.

All I know is what I see. I see more and more teams importing college concepts. And it makes sense since the kids you are drafting every April might understand that quickly and acclimate to life as a professional.

 

[Alexander]

Whoa. McCarthy fired.

That was quick.

 

[Elusive6thRing]

Yes you're guessing, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[MCMetal69]

Per Mike Terico on NBC , McCarthy was just fired by the Packers................

 

[Cowboyz88]

Kingsbury won't take an OC job. Too many HC offers.

This just proves you know as little about Kliff as you do the rest of football.

He wasn’t a good head coach at his alma mater where he’s considered a hero, and everyone was truly hoping he would succeed.

No ones lining up to offer him a HC job, unless it’s at an FCS school or High School.

He has to retrench as an OC.

I dont know whats stopping Jerry from making that move.

Better offense = SB contender this year/better evaluation of Dak

Wow…we agree again.

Hell must be freezing over.

 

[Alexander]

Per Mike Terico on NBC , McCarthy was just fired by the Packers................

And Philbin, a failure in Miami is the interim.

The Packers offense was pretty potent until they took him back.

Just fascinates me how the NFL coaching thing works.

 

[Direwolf63]

Kingsbury has been gifted Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes as a college playcaller. That’s three of the 5-6 best college QBs in the last 10 years. How much can we trust his abilities vs having amazing QBs make him look good?

Additionally, he’s a pure air raid guy as a player and coach. He has no experience operating an offense like what he would need to run to be successful with this roster. And pure air raid concepts dont work in the NFL, they can be effective as a component but you can’t run the air raid out of 10 and 11 personnel exclusively. NFL defenses are too good in space.

Sean McVey disagrees with you.

I'll take his word for it

 

[Pants]

Lincoln Riley is 35 or 36? Yes please (OC)

 

[Alexander]

Yes you're guessing, you don't know what you're talking about.

So help me out.

The Rams are interested. Why would they be if he were so bad?

 

[Alexander]

Lincoln Riley is 35 or 36? Yes please (OC)

No, head coach. Do it.