NFL calls I still don't understand

[YosemiteSam]

In a play where the defender is jostling for position and gets there early....15 yards and automatic first down.

In a play where the WR is grabbed, or pushed down, or tackled....spot foul.

This is discretionary. The NFL is pretty much taking most discretionary penalties out and going with one-size fits all. This is why all Facemasks are now 15 yards whether you twisted or yanked on the facemask or not.

I wouldn't have such a problem with what you say until it comes down to the last two minutes. A defense can pull all kinds of trickery to screw an offense over abusing such discretionary penalties by continuing to bump a WR outside of 5 yard preventing him from going into the endzone for a hail mary. He didn't tackle or grab him. Game over, lost because of a defense abusing discretionary penalties.

I think IP is setup the exact way it should be. Ball is placed at the spot of the foul. Plain and simple. If you don't want to get called for a PI, don't commit a PI.

 

[rkell87]

The defenses job is to stop the offense. Wildcat offense makes that fairly obvious. Defenses are allowed to confuse offenses but not the other way around ?

really man? are you seriously asking this question because you don't understand how ridiculous this game would be if anybody could go out for a pass at any time or are you just trolling for a some way to get an argument going?

 

[dback]

I do not like the illegal contact after 5 yards, especially inside the tackle box. It drives me nuts that a tight end can engage the linebacker down field on a play like a delayed draw and the linebacker has to react once the ball is handed off. I don't mind so much the contact rule with receivers split out wide, but I think the rule should be no illegal contact on anything in front of the linebackers inside the tackle box.

I also do not like the 12-man penalty when a player is running off the field. As long as he does not turn up the field when the play starts, why call a penalty?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

really man? are you seriously asking this question because you don't understand how ridiculous this game would be if anybody could go out for a pass at any time or are you just trolling for a some way to get an argument going?

Anyone can go out for a pass now. You just have to report in first.

Perhaps you need a few more years of watching and learning.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I also do not like the 12-man penalty when a player is running off the field. As long as he does not turn up the field when the play starts, why call a penalty?

This and 12 men in the huddle exist for a reason. Anytime the offense makes a personal change, the defense has the right to also make one based on the other teams personal change.

If you have 12 men on the field/huddle, the other team doesn't know which 11 will be on the field. A team could easily wait till the last second to remove the 12th player screwing over the other team. This is why the offense can't even have 12 men in the huddle as when they are huddling up, that gives the defense a chance to see who is going to be in on the play and adjust their defense to match.

If the 12th player is running off the field right as the ball is snapped that too doesn't give the defense time to substitute properly.

By the word of the rules, this is the only way to fairly enforce the rule that allows the defense to match up personal wise.

If there is 12 defensive men on the field at the snap, there is 12 defensive men on the field. The defense has all the time it needs based on the rule above to remove all players involved in the next play. If they don't get it done, they deserve the penalty just like an offense gets penalized for delay of game.

 

[couchscout]

Anyone can go out for a pass now. You just have to report in first.

Perhaps you need a few more years of watching and learning.

Perhaps you need a few more years of learning and watching, or perhaps some reading comprehension skills. Only 5 players on any play are eligible to go out for a pass. On a standard formation, the center, neither guard, nor neither tackle are eligible for to recieve a pass, wether they report or not. Now, if the offense lines up in some funky unbalanced formation, then one of them might become eligible.

What he's talking about, is how crazy would it be for a defense if any player, no matter where they lined up in the formation was eligible to recieve passes? It would make defense impossible to play, and completely change the game.

The rules of this game make sense in 99% of occasions. Even the "tuck" rule makes sense when you look at it objectively.

 

[laythewood28]

I'll attack it until my death.

There's no way on earth a judgement call should result in a 50 yard penalty. For years there were levels of facemask penalties....15 yard and 5 yard. I've always maintained this could be done for PI.

In a play where the defender is jostling for position and gets there early....15 yards and automatic first down.

In a play where the WR is grabbed, or pushed down, or tackled....spot foul.

We don't give DBs the ball when the offense interferes....why give the WR the ball where a ticky-tack foul occurs?

I think they should do what they did in the past, let the receivers and corners beat the hell out of each other. Receivers don't get called for push offs and corners don't get called for illegal contact Ala the Micheal Irvin days.. Only when its a blatant hold or trip should a interference be called.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I think they should do what they did in the past, let the receivers and corners beat the hell out of each other. Receivers don't get called for push offs and corners don't get called for illegal contact Ala the Micheal Irvin days.. Only when its a blatant hold or trip should a interference be called.

Wr catch numbers would nose dive. There are only a hand full wrs that would be able to make a catch.

 

[laythewood28]

Wr catch numbers would nose dive. There are only a hand full wrs that would be able to make a catch.

Which is what I like about it. It separates the elite corners and receivers from the rest of the bunch. Now it seems anyone can put up 1000 yard seasons. When you have your third wr getting an 1000 yards it water downs the product.

 

[TheCount]

Which is what I like about it. It separates the elite corners and receivers from the rest of the bunch. Now it seems anyone can put up 1000 yard seasons. When you have your third wr getting an 1000 yards it water downs the product.

Being able to beat up a receiver does not make you elite.

Last year 23 players had over 1,000 yards, 3 of them being TE's. 23 is not a 3rd of all the receivers in the league.

On top of that, at what point did 1,000 become this sacred barrier that shouldn't be crossed except by the very few? That's only 60 yards a game on average. You wanna watch a bunch of games where a team's #1 receiver is struggling to get over 45 yards receiving?

 

[laythewood28]

Being able to beat up a receiver does not make you elite.

Last year 23 players had over 1,000 yards, 3 of them being TE's. 23 is not a 3rd of all the receivers in the league.

On top of that, at what point did 1,000 become this sacred barrier that shouldn't be crossed except by the very few? That's only 60 yards a game on average. You wanna watch a bunch of games where a team's #1 receiver is struggling to get over 45 yards receiving?

Had no problem watching when Michael and Jerry were doing it.

 

[Kevinicus]

Only 5 players on any play are eligible to go out for a pass.

Actually six are eligible. Of course that would require some sort of trick play where the person taking the snap eventually went out for a pass.

 

[rkell87]

Perhaps you need a few more years of learning and watching, or perhaps some reading comprehension skills. Only 5 players on any play are eligible to go out for a pass. On a standard formation, the center, neither guard, nor neither tackle are eligible for to recieve a pass, wether they report or not. Now, if the offense lines up in some funky unbalanced formation, then one of them might become eligible.

What he's talking about, is how crazy would it be for a defense if any player, no matter where they lined up in the formation was eligible to recieve passes? It would make defense impossible to play, and completely change the game.

The rules of this game make sense in 99% of occasions. Even the "tuck" rule makes sense when you look at it objectively.

thank you, i would have just wrote him off as a moron