Twitter: NFL: Dak balled out as a rookie in 2016 Preseason. Who's next this year?

[Motorola]

No QB taken this year has the set up that Dak had in 2016. Trey Lance may have the best team if he gets to play. Mac Jones has the best coaching staff IMO so that will help.. Lawrence who knows, first time NFL HC, and a team that wasn't good last year.. mmm..

Justin Herbert.
Had numerous detractors after completing his collegiate career as a 4-year starter (took over in the 5th game of his freshman season).
Many pundits doubted him succeeding in the league because of
1) where he played and the competition (Oregon \ Pac-12)
2) his demeanor \ persona (laid-back, reserved.....not a fiery, rah-rah guy)
3) the team that drafted him - the Chargers__ 5 - 11 in 2019.
In 2020, the Chargers improved to 7-9; and at season's end this happened:
NFL Rookie QB records for a season set by Justin Herbert
---most passing TDs___ 31
---most total TDs___ 36
---most 300-yd games___ 8
---most completions___ 396
Result: NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year

 

[USArmyVet]

They didn't have a quality backup but they had 1st rounder in Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel who won 11 games in New England.

Either way, seems like the two things contradict each other. IF the team was so stacked it shouldn't have mattered who was at quarterback.

Not only that but Dak's weapons were Bryant, Witten, Brice Butler, Terrance Williams and Cole Beasley....Only one still in the league now is Beasley and most of those guys were out of the league a year or two after they played for the Cowboys. They did have Zeke and a good offensive line.

Weeden (a joke of a 28-year old 1st round pick by a desperate Browns team who sucked well before he came to Dallas) and Cassel (who won 10 games for NE....way back in 2008)? I wouldn't reference those guys and try to infer that Dallas had decent back-ups based on draft pedigree and games won 8 years prior to 2016.

Dez was 2 seasons removed from 3-straight 1,200+ yards receiving, Witten albeit aging still put up 2 decent seasons for Dak, Williams was a JAG, Butler was a #4 WR, and Beasley had almost 1,000 yards in 2016 as the slot guy.....point is Zeke was the focal point of the offense that year.

As for the team being stacked, agreed that it didn't matter who the QB was so long as he was an average QB.....which Dak was and Weeden/Cassell were not.

 

[USArmyVet]

McFadden had a very good year prior to Zeke coming in. The offensive line was also elite in 2015 correct? They had good receivers? Factor in who the head coach was....ehh...i'd rather play for the 9ers and Shanahan.

Defense also improved greatly from 2015 to 2016:

Points/Game Ranking

2015: 16th
2016: 5th

Yards/Game Ranking

2015: 17th
2016: 14th

Takeaway/Giveaway Ranking

2015: 32nd
2016: 9th

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Weeden (a joke of a 28-year old 1st round pick by a desperate Browns team who sucked well before he came to Dallas) and Cassel (who won 10 games for NE....way back in 2008)? I wouldn't reference those guys and try to infer that Dallas had decent back-ups based on draft pedigree and games won 8 years prior to 2016.

Dez was 2 seasons removed from 3-straight 1,200+ yards receiving, Witten albeit aging still put up 2 decent seasons for Dak, Williams was a JAG, Butler was a #4 WR, and Beasley had almost 1,000 yards in 2016 as the slot guy.....point is Zeke was the focal point of the offense that year.

As for the team being stacked, agreed that it didn't matter who the QB was so long as he was an average QB.....which Dak was and Weeden/Cassell were not.

Matt Cassel didn't last start in 2008. He had started seasons including in 2015 prior to coming to Dallas.

Was he Tom Brady? No. But the argument is a "average" quarterback should be a quality backup and Matt Cassell was considered that which is why we traded for him.

Its funny though you discredit Cassel for what he did with the Patriots but bring up what Dez did 3 years prior to 2016 lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Defense also improved greatly from 2015 to 2016:

Points/Game Ranking

2015: 16th
2016: 5th

Yards/Game Ranking

2015: 17th
2016: 14th

Takeaway/Giveaway Ranking

2015: 32nd
2016: 9th

Defense didn't improve....Cowboys just managed the clock smart and relied on the run game to keep their defense off the field as long as possible. They also lead many games which forced teams to pass. A big reason for that was Dak and Zeke coming to the team.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Justin Herbert.
Had numerous detractors after completing his collegiate career as a 4-year starter (took over in the 5th game of his freshman season).
Many pundits doubted him succeeding in the league because of
1) where he played and the competition (Oregon \ Pac-12)
2) his demeanor \ persona (laid-back, reserved.....not a fiery, rah-rah guy)
3) the team that drafted him - the Chargers__ 5 - 11 in 2019.
In 2020, the Chargers improved to 7-9; and at season's end this happened:
NFL Rookie QB records for a season set by Justin Herbert
---most passing TDs___ 31
---most total TDs___ 36
---most 300-yd games___ 8
---most completions___ 396
Result: NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year

ok. But what does that have to do with anything? I was under the impression he was drafted prior to this years class.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

McFadden had a very good year prior to Zeke coming in. The offensive line was also elite in 2015 correct? They had good receivers? Factor in who the head coach was....ehh...i'd rather play for the 9ers and Shanahan.[/QUOTe

the same coach that went 13-3 with a rookie QB. The same coach that coached him to be the rookie of the year. The same coach that was the coach of the year. If you can’t admit that Dak stepped into a really good situation for a rookie QB in 2016 then you are either A: stupid or B agenda driven. Both of which means you aren’t worth talking to when it comes to football. Saying that Dak had a better situation in 2016 than the rookie qbs in. 2021 does not take away anything Dak did. It doesn’t make Garrett a great coach. It just means that Dak had a good situation. And if you think that doesn’t matter to the career of any player and especially the QB then see A above.

 

[Motorola]

ok. But what does that have to do with anything? I was under the impression he was drafted prior to this years class.

You started your post referencing back to Prescott's rookie season - 'No QB coming in this year has the setup that Dak had in 2016.' To me, it seems you were implying that the rookie QBs' teams are not good like the 2016 Cowboys team was back then -which NE and JAX are not. (Now the 49ers - I don't put in that that category - a Super Bowl team that was devastated by injuries the following season.) Jones' and Lawrence's teams could hamper them "balling out" in their first year. I was just pointing out that most people expected little from the rookie QB Herbert last season because of the team he went to...but he exceeded the expectations by miles.

 

[Rockport]

Defense also improved greatly from 2015 to 2016:

Points/Game Ranking

2015: 16th
2016: 5th

Yards/Game Ranking

2015: 17th
2016: 14th

Takeaway/Giveaway Ranking

2015: 32nd
2016: 9th

A huge part of that was the ball control offense that kept the defense off the field. Classic example of how stats can be misleading to the uninformed.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Aye i'm just saying it wasn't the best situation. I'd much rather got to that 2021 49ers team.

 

[USArmyVet]

Matt Cassel didn't last start in 2008. He had started seasons including in 2015 prior to coming to Dallas.

Was he Tom Brady? No. But the argument is a "average" quarterback should be a quality backup and Matt Cassell was considered that which is why we traded for him.

Its funny though you discredit Cassel for what he did with the Patriots but bring up what Dez did 3 years prior to 2016 lol.

Did I say he last started in 2008? No, I was simply pointing out that is when he had a 10 win season for NE in relationship to you using him as a back up example for Dallas in 2015.....big difference referencing what Dak did 3 years prior versus you referencing what Cassel did 7 years prior.

 

[USArmyVet]

Defense didn't improve....Cowboys just managed the clock smart and relied on the run game to keep their defense off the field as long as possible. They also lead many games which forced teams to pass. A big reason for that was Dak and Zeke coming to the team.

So you said it perfectly: Dallas relied on the run game so Zeke gets credit for the Cowboys 13-3 season in 2016 way more than Dak.......thank you.

 

[USArmyVet]

A huge part of that was the ball control offense that kept the defense off the field. Classic example of how stats can be misleading to the uninformed.

LOL....no, just allowing you Dak is the Best people to admit that Zeke was the reason Dallas was 13-3 in 2016 and not Dak.....which is clear to so many including you guys now. In other words, when Dallas relies on Zeke like in 2016 & 2018 Dallas succeeds whereas when Dallas relies on Dak, they do not succeed.

 

[Qcard]

You post this thread simply because it references Dak....way back in 2016

Shocker.... Dak Hater @USArmyVet can not understand why the NFL VERIFIED Twitter account is recounting Dak's outstanding Preseason in 2016 to promote 2021 Preseason...

You have educated yourself into an imbecile

......that's desperation simply to try and promote Dak....who has yet to do anything since 2016.

Take your beef to the NFL twitter.

I am truly sorry Dak can't be ALL Pro every year

 

[Sevenup3000]

The only thing that separated 2016 from being a repeat 2015 was Dak Prescott.

 

[lqmac1]

Desperate Failed Dak Hate Predictions from @PAPPYDOG December 27th 2020 FAIL!!!!

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/did...into-a-starter-contract.471119/#post-10701195

hahaha

I remember these times lmao

 

[lqmac1]

You post this thread simply because it references Dak....way back in 2016......that's desperation simply to try and promote Dak....who has yet to do anything since 2016.

How miserable does somebody have to be to hate on his own team? That doesn’t even make sense.

You’ve got to be one miserable *** dude to sit here, be a Cowboys “fan”, join a message board and hate on one of the top QB’s in the league.

Holy **** that’s pathetic

 

[Rockport]

How miserable does somebody have to be to hate on his own team? That doesn’t even make sense.

You’ve got to be one miserable *** dude to sit here, be a Cowboys “fan”, join a message board and hate on one of the top QB’s in the league.

Holy **** that’s pathetic

He is a miserable dude. Just search his posts.