NFL Lockout Stay Granted

[Wolf2k5]

Ugh so disappointed. Just want free agency

 

[Bizwah]

No incentive for the owners to move now.

This is gonna take a while....

 

[jobberone]

Ok which stay was granted. This thing is confusing to me and I've only been superficially following it.

 

[theogt]

Key quote from the opinion:

In sum, we have serious doubts that the district court had jurisdiction to enjoin the League’s lockout, and accordingly conclude that the League has made a strong showing that it is likely to succeed on the merits.

This line right here means that we may not have football in 2011.

 

[Galian Beast]

temporary stay until june 3rd ruling

 

[The30YardSlant]

Looks like reality is setting in for the NFLPA. The good money is on them folding soon.

 

[theogt]

A quick reading of this opinion and I think they've COMPLETELY misread Norris-Laguardia, even contrary to Supreme Court rulings.

Edit: The opinion is terrible and short on logic. Seems hastily put together, which is strange considering the amount of time they had on it.

 

[Galian Beast]

they're idiots...

 

[speedkilz88]

Key quote from the opinion:



This line right here means that we may not have football in 2011.

I see it the other way, this might finally force the nflpa* to actually negotiate. Because we all know the players will fold when they realize they are missing out on millions this season.

 

[Plumfool]

A quick reading of this opinion and I think they've COMPLETELY misread Norris-Laguardia, even contrary to Supreme Court rulings.

Edit: The opinion is terrible and short on logic. Seems hastily put together, which is strange considering the amount of time they had on it.

How so? I thought it was an odd read. I just don't have law background.

 

[Reality]

This line right here means that we may not have football in 2011.

We will if the players decide to sincerely negotiate finally ..

-Reality

 

[theogt]

I see it the other way, this might finally force the nflpa* to actually negotiate. Because we all know the players will fold when they realize they are missing out on millions this season.

Maybe. Or it may force them to take it to the Supreme Court. And the point at which they may decide to do that will not be for months, because there are many other datapoints they'll need for that decision. This is basically a worst case scenario for fans, UNLESS its forces hands at the negotiating table (which I doubt at this point, though possible).

Judge Bye dissented, so the decision wasn't unanimous (i.e., was a 2-1 decision). Bye's quote here was pretty damning:

Since the statutory and the nonstatutory labor exemptions are actuated by the same policies concerning the antitrust-labor balance, the Court’s language in Brown is indicative of the outer limits of their application. It would be illogical to reject the nonstatutory labor exemption upon union disclaimer, yet prohibit the court from remedying antitrust violations through injunctive relief.

 

[DallasEast]

... and boom goes the dynamite.

 

[Ken]

Frankly, if we have to wait until June 3 to decide on the legality of the lockout...oh boy.

I could care less, get to the bargaining table and work it out. Period. This is starting to impact the sanctity of the game and fans will leave.

Ask baseball how the mid year strike treated them. They still have not recovered.

 

[Reality]

A quick reading of this opinion and I think they've COMPLETELY misread Norris-Laguardia, even contrary to Supreme Court rulings.

Edit: The opinion is terrible and short on logic. Seems hastily put together, which is strange considering the amount of time they had on it.

Seems like the players having all of the legal leverage is not a given after all ..

-Reality

 

[Bizwah]

Sal Pal is reporting a possible break in negotiations. Apparently, they're still in discussions.....sounds encouraging.

But, I've had my hopes dashed before.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Hard to find any joy in still no football.. But a wins a win, I guess. *shrug*

 

[WoodysGirl]

Sal Pal is reporting a possible break in negotiations. Apparently, they're still in discussions.....sounds encouraging.

But, I've had my hopes dashed before.

Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reports, citing Hall of Fame defensive end Carl Eller, that a breakthrough has occurred in the negotiations. Eller, who is one of the named plaintiffs in a lawsuit brought by former players and consolidated with the Tom Brady antitrust case, said that U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan asked the owners at the outset of the day to make a new proposal, and the owners have agreed to do so.

Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/report-breakthrough-in-talks/

 

[theogt]

Seems like the players having all of the legal leverage is not a given after all ..

-Reality

I think it's a pretty cut and dry issue legally, actually. But so far we have 2 federal judges agreeing with the players and 2 federal judges disagreeing. The problem is that the 2 agreeing with the owners don't actually spell out their logic in their opinion, so it's anyone's guess as to why they think what they think.

 

[speedkilz88]

Maybe. Or it may force them to take it to the Supreme Court. And the point at which they may decide to do that will not be for months, because there are many other datapoints they'll need for that decision. This is basically a worst case scenario for fans, UNLESS its forces hands at the negotiating table (which I doubt at this point, though possible).

Judge Bye dissented, so the decision wasn't unanimous (i.e., was a 2-1 decision). Bye's quote here was pretty damning:

It's all about who has the hammer. The lower courts were all to willing to give it to the nflpa*. Now it appears the higher courts are giving it back to the nfl.

Even in the most nfl friendly of cba deals the players will still be getting millions of dollars. A lot of players didn't put anything away for a long holdout. The nflpa* was counting on keeping the owners from locking them out to give them plenty of time in the courts. I'm sure that DeMaurice Smith was guaranteeing them of that. It doesn't look like it's going to happen now. Players will fold.

The one thing that might save the nflpa* would be the lockout nest egg that Doty is ruling on. But I imagine even if he tries to give the nflpa* some of that money it will be appealed and kept protected. (I don't even think Doty should be able to give any of it to the nflpa* since it must be paid back to the networks if there is no season and its also money that should only be used towards salaries etc)