CFZ NFL Player Contracts and why star players feel the need to hold out

[Bobhaze]

It's just hate the rich agenda stuff.

How so? To me it’s a fairness thing. Not hating on anyone.

 

[kskboys]

That's exactly what it is. Stick it to the billionaires mindset. Screw them. The billionaire owners do enough to screw up the game without help from the jealous, envious fans.

And even more to keep it going.

 

[kskboys]

How so? To me it’s a fairness thing. Not hating on anyone.

Owners are honoring the contracts 100% as they are written.

Basically, if a player wants fully guaranteed money, he can get it by taking a bit less. Instead, the player opts for huge amounts, even though the last year or three will never be paid. There is a choice. So, when a player is signing a contract, he is really signing for the guaranteed portion. The rest is almost always just fooforaw.

Why is it done this way? Not sure, it's ridiculous. However, it just keeps on going, because if they wanted to put a stop to it, the contracts would have to be less.

 

[John813]

What I don't get with Martin, maybe it's make it a bigger issue, is that he's actually holding out. Why not just hold in.

First day of practice, ow my back feels sore after the first day, better sit out with the trainers with the only recovery being a new contract.
Won't get fined, but still puts pressure on the team as he's not practicing.
Cause, at the end of the day he's out of this money regardless.

The team will, and has moved on for now. He could of gone a different way of wanting a new deal without eating fines.

 

[kskboys]

Baseball players play 162 games. Hockey and Basketball play 82. The NFL plays 17. Doesn’t that just skew the math?

It definitely does. Means there's a ton less gate money. And concessions money.

 

[MyFairLady]

Just because I got fat and stink is no reason not to keep paying me 15 million per year to fall asleep in team meetings. You Wana make money don't suck just that easy.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Not true at all.

DLaw was asked to take a restructure to push the money down the road. If I am wrong, prove it. I did not look it up, but that's simply how things are done.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...itial-9-million-pay-cut-request-disrespectful

 

[lukemartin79]

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of NFL player contracts. Too many of us fans believe if a player signs a 4 year contract, both the owner and player are locked in together. That is simply not true. In fact, here are some truths about NFL player contracts most fans don’t understand:

• Once the guaranteed money in an NFL contract is paid to a player, the team can cut the player BEFORE the length of the contract is completed. Obviously there are cap implications if a team cuts a player before the contract is completed but many teams still do it. In fact, here are a couple of former Cowboys marquee players who were cut before their contract years were complete:
  • Dez Bryant- in 2015, he signed a 5 year, $70 million dollar contract. He was cut in after 3 years of that deal and his guaranteed money was paid. In other words, the Cowboys didn’t pay him for 5 years. Fans don’t seem to understand this.
  • DeMarco Murray- signed a 5 year contract with the e-girls in 2015, was traded in 2016 to the titans and eventually finished his career in 2018 before his contract was complete.
  • There are several other star NFL players who were cut before their contract length was honored. Like Richard Sherman when he was in Sea, Navarro Bowman in SF also signed a multi-year contract and yet was cut before it was finished.
• NFL teams also have financial “outs“ when it comes to a player getting hurt or underperforming their contract, while not having any responsibility to increase a player’s pay when a player overperforms their deal.
• The NFL is the ONLY major pro sports league that does not guarantee their players contracts.
  • The NBA, NHL and MLB all have guaranteed contract for their players.

So…usually the only recourse a player has once their guaranteed money is paid is to hold out, which not only means they don’t get paid — but strongly shifts public opinion against them as the player is branded “greedy” or “not helping the team” by ownership that simply doesn’t want to pay more than is on the dotted line.

Why is Zack Martin holding out? No other pro spot, no other sports job allows for employment contracts to be torn up without paying the agreed amount and length of a contract. It’s ridiculous that owners keep requiring players in the NFL to compete without security.

Don’t fall for the verbal tricks from NFL owners. Don’t buy into their sob stories. They don’t honor the contracts they sign with players, so why criticize a player for holding out for their own protection? These billionaire owners will not be honoring their commitments and will still be raking in billions. Why fault a player for protecting themselves?

Excellent explanation of a very confusing subject. It is easy for us fans to misunderstand this. Most fans of football are in general sports fans and follow other sports too. I am a huge baseball fan and follow that sport as well as football. There is a big difference between the 2 biggest sports in our country when it comes to the contracts the players have. In baseball - they are fully guaranteed contracts. I guess the MLB Players union is much stronger than the NFL's.

 

[erod]

The money has gotten way too big, which is why the sports as a whole is a sliver of a shell of its former self.

Players barely care now. It truly is ALL about the money for 98% of these guys.

I miss the days of true hatred among teams and players literally taking that hatred well into retirement. The 70s Cowboys and Commanders players still can barely be in each other's company.

 

[Cowboys5217]

The money has gotten way too big, which is why the sports as a whole is a sliver of a shell of its former self.

Players barely care now. It truly is ALL about the money for 98% of these guys.

I miss the days of true hatred among teams and players literally taking that hatred well into retirement. The 70s Cowboys and Commanders players still can barely be in each other's company.

Bring back the energy of the Harvey Martin's wreath.

 

[kskboys]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...itial-9-million-pay-cut-request-disrespectful

That's just the player complaining. Was he actually asked to take a cut, or to take less this season and push it down the road?

 

[Verdict]

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of NFL player contracts. Too many of us fans believe if a player signs a 4 year contract, both the owner and player are locked in together. That is simply not true. In fact, here are some truths about NFL player contracts most fans don’t understand:

• Once the guaranteed money in an NFL contract is paid to a player, the team can cut the player BEFORE the length of the contract is completed. Obviously there are cap implications if a team cuts a player before the contract is completed but many teams still do it. In fact, here are a couple of former Cowboys marquee players who were cut before their contract years were complete:
  • Dez Bryant- in 2015, he signed a 5 year, $70 million dollar contract. He was cut in after 3 years of that deal and his guaranteed money was paid. In other words, the Cowboys didn’t pay him for 5 years. Fans don’t seem to understand this.
  • DeMarco Murray- signed a 5 year contract with the e-girls in 2015, was traded in 2016 to the titans and eventually finished his career in 2018 before his contract was complete.
  • There are several other star NFL players who were cut before their contract length was honored. Like Richard Sherman when he was in Sea, Navarro Bowman in SF also signed a multi-year contract and yet was cut before it was finished.
• NFL teams also have financial “outs“ when it comes to a player getting hurt or underperforming their contract, while not having any responsibility to increase a player’s pay when a player overperforms their deal.
• The NFL is the ONLY major pro sports league that does not guarantee their players contracts.
  • The NBA, NHL and MLB all have guaranteed contract for their players.

So…usually the only recourse a player has once their guaranteed money is paid is to hold out, which not only means they don’t get paid — but strongly shifts public opinion against them as the player is branded “greedy” or “not helping the team” by ownership that simply doesn’t want to pay more than is on the dotted line.

Why is Zack Martin holding out? No other pro spot, no other sports job allows for employment contracts to be torn up without paying the agreed amount and length of a contract. It’s ridiculous that owners keep requiring players in the NFL to compete without security.

Don’t fall for the verbal tricks from NFL owners. Don’t buy into their sob stories. They don’t honor the contracts they sign with players, so why criticize a player for holding out for their own protection? These billionaire owners will not be honoring their commitments and will still be raking in billions. Why fault a player for protecting themselves?

Sorry Bob but you are making an emotional post about a non-emotional thing. Players know what the terms of their agreement are before they sign it. They know that the non-guaranteed money is not guaranteed.

I don’t care how much players get paid, but I do care about their cap hit, because their cap hit affects a team’s ability to win.

I would be all for the CBA being modified to allow a player to receive money after they are cut so long as it doesn’t count against the cap. But that is never going to happen.

So, cap hit vs value to the team is always going to be an ongoing issue. Without a cap, I say back up the brinks truck Jerry. With a cap in place it’s team over player and thank you for your service.

It’s REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Baseball players play 162 games. Hockey and Basketball play 82. The NFL plays 17. Doesn’t that just skew the math?

Point is NFL franchises make their money on just 17 games per season, and has the smallest percentage of teams qualify for the playoffs, their team rosters are twice as big as the rosters of MLB teams (the 2nd largest roster) yet somehow the NFLPA has negotiated significant minimum salaries. Calling the NFLPA weak is taking a narrow view.

 

[jaythecowboy]

That's just the player complaining. Was he actually asked to take a cut, or to take less this season and push it down the road?

That is a pay cut. There is a difference between a pay cut and a restructure that is just for cap purposes that doesn’t need player approval. Players never complain then because they are getting paid the same but just get their money sooner.

Also found another instance of a player asked for a pay cut. There are also likely other requests for pay cuts that aren’t made public.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...od-place-right-now-after-pay-cut-request/amp/