NFL Preseason Week 1 Games thread

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At least Green Bay and New England ran their starters for a quarter.

So far, Baltimore is killing the Saints. No Brees. Flacco had a TD.

Generally, you'll find the home teams play their starters more this week.

McCown. 5-5 and TD for the Browns vs Skins
 

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Watched some of Washington / Cleveland. RGIII looks to be continuing where he left off last season. Many throws behind the LOS. Bad technique on two fades to the corner of the end zone. He took a few shots as well.
 

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Watching the Vikes and Bucs this morning. Winston looks terrible to me, he locks into one WR and isnt very accurate. Bridgewater on the other hand looks like the real deal, every time I watch him he seems to be getting better.
 

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Watching the Vikes and Bucs this morning. Winston looks terrible to me, he locks into one WR and isnt very accurate. Bridgewater on the other hand looks like the real deal, every time I watch him he seems to be getting better.

Have to agree Bridgewater looks like he is going to be a top echelon QB.
 

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Watched some of Washington / Cleveland. RGIII looks to be continuing where he left off last season. Many throws behind the LOS. Bad technique on two fades to the corner of the end zone. He took a few shots as well.

You must have been watching a different game. He only threw one pass that was caught behind the line of scrimmage. One. You said many, you clearly didn't watch him play. Explain this "bad technique" on the two fade passes, which is actually one bad pass on the fade and a throwaway due to an unblocked pass rusher. He was accurate, decisive in where to throw the ball, and also made an adjustment post-snap that would've been a 60 yd. TD if Garcon would've caught a pass even you could catch. He wasn't great, but he was good...which is an improvement from last season. Doesn't mean he's going to have a good season, but lies are pretty pointless.
 

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You must have been watching a different game. He only threw one pass that was caught behind the line of scrimmage. One. You said many, you clearly didn't watch him play. Explain this "bad technique" on the two fade passes, which is actually one bad pass on the fade and a throwaway due to an unblocked pass rusher. He was accurate, decisive in where to throw the ball, and also made an adjustment post-snap that would've been a 60 yd. TD if Garcon would've caught a pass even you could catch. He wasn't great, but he was good...which is an improvement from last season. Doesn't mean he's going to have a good season, but lies are pretty pointless.

Well, I obviously didn't put much effort into my analysis, but I don't think I was being dishonest. He threw mostly sideline passes, which seems to be the crux of his game, that were close enough to the LOS. His both attempts at the fade were overthrow, whether intentional or not, he didn't give the receiver a chance--a better passer puts the ball in the corner where the WR can make a play. He's always been fairly accurate down field for wide open receivers. Too bad Garcon couldn't make a easy catch.
 

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Well, I obviously didn't put much effort into my analysis, but I don't think I was being dishonest. He threw mostly sideline passes, which seems to be the crux of his game, that were close enough to the LOS. His both attempts at the fade were overthrow, whether intentional or not, he didn't give the receiver a chance--a better passer puts the ball in the corner where the WR can make a play. He's always been fairly accurate down field for wide open receivers. Too bad Garcon couldn't make a easy catch.

Maybe I went to far by calling you dishonest, I apologize for that. He really needs to have more than 8 pass attempts, so if he did two or three of the same type of passes than it almost dominates an analysis of his performance.

3rd and 5 at WSH 25 (13:48) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass short right to R.Grant to WAS 34 for 9 yards.
This was his first pass, and it was completed for a first down to Ryan Grant. He went through his progressions, with Grant as his third option. A short pass, but definitely beyond the line of scrimmage.
2nd and 5 at WSH 39(12:38) R.Griffin pass incomplete deep left to P.Garcon.
This is the deep pass that has been argued ad nauseum on ES for the last couple of days. Basically it comes down to Garcon changing his route mid-play because the safety wasn't moving and his route was supposed to be a deep curl. He changed his route to a post and headed for the sideline, Griffin checked with him once and saw he was covered, went back to him again after he saw Paul was covered too. Then launched the deep pass which would've been a sure TD if Garcon didn't drop it.
3rd and 5 at WSH 39(12:31) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to E.Spencer.
I think this was Griffin's worst pass of the game. Very simple play. Spencer's route is a curl, but Spencer took to long to make his cut. Griffin should've fired in rhythm, but instead he held on too long and eventually threw a pass to the wrong shoulder and Spencer had to bat it down to prevent a potential INT.
2nd and 7 at WSH 23(6:24) R.Griffin pass short right to R.Grant to WAS 28 for 5 yards (T.Williams).
Another short pass to Grant. Almost identical to the one on the previous drive. Went through his progressions and looked comfortable in the pocket the entire time.
3rd and 2 at WSH 28(5:50) (Shotgun) R.Griffin scrambles right guard to WAS 31 for 3 yards (K.Dansby).
Here is another hotly debated play. Griffin had Grant and Garcon open as short pass options which would've been a first down. Yet by the time Griffin completed his drop, a big hole opened in the OL, and Griffin took off through it and ran for the first down himself. Gruden and other coaches have told beat reporters they don't care how he got the first down, they are just glad it was a positive play, still some feel he took an unnecessary risk by running and not sliding.
2nd and 8 at WSH 33(4:35) R.Griffin pass deep left to R.Grant to CLV 45 for 22 yards (D.Whitner) [P.Kruger].
Probably his best play of the night. Griffin run bootleg left, the Browns defense sniffed it out pre-snap and have three defenders coming down on him. Griffin launches a strike right before he's leveled to Grant standing near the sideline.
3rd and 1 at CLE 36(2:44) R.Griffin pass short right to D.Young to CLV 36 for no gain (K.Dansby).
Griffin hit his first option, who was open. Unfortunately, Young didn't make his cut past the first down marker and Dansby made a great tackle.
2nd and 6 at CLE 14 :42) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to P.Garcon.
Just a bad pass by Griffin. Garcon had enough separation to catch an accurately thrown ball, Griffin's was about 7 yards out of bounds though.
3rd and 6 at CLE 14 :39) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to P.Garcon [K.Williams].
This was actually a different play, but due to the result people thought Gruden just called the same play again. Garcon was not the primary target, but Griffin wasn't able to reasonably assess the coverage and his receivers because Lauvao blew his assignment and allowed a pass rusher to get into the pocket unimpeded. Griffin was throwing the ball away to avoid a sack and lose FG position. Yet since Garcon just so happened to be running the same exact route from the previous play(yet this time he's covered), Griffin's throwaway looks like he overthrew the fade route for a second time. This play, in terms of his development is actually a positive. In the past Griffin has shown a stubbornness when it comes to throwing the ball away, and doing so now shows he's realizing no yards loss is better than 7-8 yards loss on a sack.

So overall, he was 4-8, for 36 yards, but he was good enough to produce a stat line of 5-8, 97 yards and 1 TD if Garcon doesn't drop a pass an 8 year old could catch. So out of 8 passes, two were bad, one questionable, and the rest showed his development in being more comfortable in the pocket, not bailing out on the pocket too soon, not allowing the pass rush to keep him from seeing the field, better footwork and working through route progressions when his first option was covered. It's preseason, so it doesn't mean he's turned the corner. But he wasn't showing us these things this time last year, so some improvement is much better than more regression or none.
 
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Maybe I went to far by calling you dishonest, I apologize for that. He really needs to have more than 8 pass attempts, so if he did two or three of the same type of passes than it almost dominates an analysis of his performance.

3rd and 5 at WSH 25 (13:48) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass short right to R.Grant to WAS 34 for 9 yards.
This was his first pass, and it was completed for a first down to Ryan Grant. He went through his progressions, with Grant as his third option. A short pass, but definitely beyond the line of scrimmage.
2nd and 5 at WSH 39(12:38) R.Griffin pass incomplete deep left to P.Garcon.
This is the deep pass that has been argued ad nauseum on ES for the last couple of days. Basically it comes down to Garcon changing his route mid-play because the safety wasn't moving and his route was supposed to be a deep curl. He changed his route to a post and headed for the sideline, Griffin checked with him once and saw he was covered, went back to him again after he saw Paul was covered too. Then launched the deep pass which would've been a sure TD if Garcon didn't drop it.
3rd and 5 at WSH 39(12:31) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to E.Spencer.
I think this was Griffin's worst pass of the game. Very simple play. Spencer's route is a curl, but Spencer took to long to make his cut. Griffin should've fired in rhythm, but instead he held on too long and eventually threw a pass to the wrong shoulder and Spencer had to bat it down to prevent a potential INT.
2nd and 7 at WSH 23(6:24) R.Griffin pass short right to R.Grant to WAS 28 for 5 yards (T.Williams).
Another short pass to Grant. Almost identical to the one on the previous drive. Went through his progressions and looked comfortable in the pocket the entire time.
3rd and 2 at WSH 28(5:50) (Shotgun) R.Griffin scrambles right guard to WAS 31 for 3 yards (K.Dansby).
Here is another hotly debated play. Griffin had Grant and Garcon open as short pass options which would've been a first down. Yet by the time Griffin completed his drop, a big hole opened in the OL, and Griffin took off through it and ran for the first down himself. Gruden and other coaches have told beat reporters they don't care how he got the first down, they are just glad it was a positive play, still some feel he took an unnecessary risk by running and not sliding.
2nd and 8 at WSH 33(4:35) R.Griffin pass deep left to R.Grant to CLV 45 for 22 yards (D.Whitner) [P.Kruger].
Probably his best play of the night. Griffin run bootleg left, the Browns defense sniffed it out pre-snap and have three defenders coming down on him. Griffin launches a strike right before he's leveled to Grant standing near the sideline.
3rd and 1 at CLE 36(2:44) R.Griffin pass short right to D.Young to CLV 36 for no gain (K.Dansby).
Griffin hit his first option, who was open. Unfortunately, Young didn't make his cut past the first down marker and Dansby made a great tackle.
2nd and 6 at CLE 14:)42) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to P.Garcon.
Just a bad pass by Griffin. Garcon had enough separation to catch an accurately thrown ball, Griffin's was about 7 yards out of bounds though.
3rd and 6 at CLE 14:)39) (Shotgun) R.Griffin pass incomplete short left to P.Garcon [K.Williams].
This was actually a different play, but due to the result people thought Gruden just called the same play again. Garcon was not the primary target, but Griffin wasn't able to reasonably assess the coverage and his receivers because Lauvao blew his assignment and allowed a pass rusher to get into the pocket unimpeded. Griffin was throwing the ball away to avoid a sack and lose FG position. Yet since Garcon just so happened to be running the same exact route from the previous play(yet this time he's covered), Griffin's throwaway looks like he overthrew the fade route for a second time. This play, in terms of his development is actually a positive. In the past Griffin has shown a stubbornness when it comes to throwing the ball away, and doing so now shows he's realizing no yards loss is better than 7-8 yards loss on a sack.

So overall, he was 4-8, for 36 yards, but he was good enough to produce a stat line of 5-8, 97 yards and 1 TD if Garcon doesn't drop a pass an 8 year old could catch. So out of 8 passes, two were bad, one questionable, and the rest showed his development in being more comfortable in the pocket, not bailing out on the pocket too soon, not allowing the pass rush to keep him from seeing the field, better footwork and working through route progressions when his first option was covered. It's preseason, so it doesn't mean he's turned the corner. But he wasn't showing us these things this time last year, so some improvement is much better than more regression or none.

this is a joke, right?

I mean, you're kidding?

Oh...was why wondering the absolute dissection of some irrelevant preseason snaps for the Commanders...till I realized it was a Commander fan for some reason posting this stuff on a Cowboy site.
Planet Clair revisited

ok
 

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this is a joke, right?

I mean, you're kidding?

Oh...was why wondering the absolute dissection of some irrelevant preseason snaps for the Commanders...till I realized it was a Commander fan for some reason posting this stuff on a Cowboy site.
Planet Clair revisited

ok

And this is a thread about the week 1 of preseason in the NFL forum. Which makes it 1) not irrelevant and 2) your post completely pointless.

But I expected this type of response when facts are brought to a discussion.
 

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And this is a thread about the week 1 of preseason in the NFL forum. Which makes it 1) not irrelevant and 2) your post completely pointless.

But I expected this type of response when facts are brought to a discussion.

I think it was details that got me

"and ant crossing road. Car swerves" (but only due to drunk driver).
Cute lil ant continues on his Everest type quest.
Next car misses!
Excitement grows! Queue the Hail tot Skins song.
oops
splash/squirt
end of story
 

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I think it was details that got me

"and ant crossing road. Car swerves" (but only due to drunk driver).
Cute lil ant continues on his Everest type quest.
Next car misses!
Excitement grows! Queue the Hail tot Skins song.
oops
splash/squirt
end of story

I didn't think it was that bad. If you are the TL: DR type, it was a good showing, and Griffin showed progress. Happy? Or would you be happier if I said he looked like trash and spit in Gruden's face during a timeout?
 

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I saw some good plays by players
kick returns,
philly had a long return for td by barner
Seattle had some fast rookie, 103 yd return
some guy named shipley had a good punt return and they said he may not make the team for arizona I think.
our guy was not fast and he fumbled.

Eagles scored a lot of points looked ok,
Giants did not look so good on offense.
Commanders..... meh didnt really look at them.

Many teams did start their # 1 qb for game 1
Rodgers got sacked by some rookie he never saw coming.

Game 2 should be more interesting with all starters playing a possession or 2
 
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