NFL rules Pryor eligible for supplemental draft.BUT.

[Cowboy&Appstate]

"On Thursday, the NFL announced that the draft has been rescheduled for August 22, and that Pryor will be eligible -- but with one caveat: "Pryor will be ineligible to practice prior to or play in the first five games of the NFL regular season after he signs." ".......the question from here on out is.IS THIS THE NEW RULE THE NFL WILL FOLLOW when a violation of NCAA rules is found out about?hummm, only time will tell????

 

[Rogah]

From the beginning of this Terrelle Pryor nonsense, I have always considered this story much ado about nothing. He is not considered a pro quality prospect and if he had been in this past April's draft, he would have been a middle-of-day-3 selection.

I can't believe all the attention being given to a guy who will do nothing but run the wildcat once a game and be lucky to ever find himself at #2 on some scrub team's depth chart.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm not a Terrell Pryor fan, but this is Bull****. Goodell did this, not because it's "right" but because he wanted to. There's an ongoing investigation on the Miami football team right now, is he going to suspend Andre Johnson if it's uncovered he was given inpropper benefits? Doubtfull. If the NCAA goes back next year and "ya know what, Cam Newton did know about his father's actions" is the Goodell going to then suspend him after a year of no action? Probably not. To me this seems like Goodell randomly picking an ant to burn with his magnifying glass.

 

[casmith07]

I'm not a Terrell Pryor fan, but this is Bull****. Goodell did this, not because it's "right" but because he wanted to. There's an ongoing investigation on the Miami football team right now, is he going to suspend Andre Johnson if it's uncovered he was given inpropper benefits? Doubtfull. If the NCAA goes back next year and "ya know what, Cam Newton did know about his father's actions" is the Goodell going to then suspend him after a year of no action? Probably not. To me this seems like Goodell randomly picking an ant to burn with his magnifying glass.

I agree with this.

 

[Rogah]

I'm not a Terrell Pryor fan, but this is Bull****. Goodell did this, not because it's "right" but because he wanted to. There's an ongoing investigation on the Miami football team right now, is he going to suspend Andre Johnson if it's uncovered he was given inpropper benefits? Doubtfull. If the NCAA goes back next year and "ya know what, Cam Newton did know about his father's actions" is the Goodell going to then suspend him after a year of no action? Probably not. To me this seems like Goodell randomly picking an ant to burn with his magnifying glass.

I disagree; Goodell is actually doing Pryor a favor and that's why Pryor is happy to take his medicine and miss 5 games.

What really should have happened was Pryor should not have been declared eligible for any supplemental draft. Goodell has just done the kid a huge favor so he decided to temper it a bit with the 5 game suspension. Since Pryor isn't in the league yet, Goodell was able to attach this condition to letting him join. That does not mean we'll ever see current NFLers get punished for things they did in college.

Of course, as I mentioned in another post, I can't believe people are making such a big deal about a guy who will be a backup (3rd string) QB for 3 years before being cut from the NFL.

 

[hookemhorns72]

I'm not a Terrell Pryor fan, but this is Bull****. Goodell did this, not because it's "right" but because he wanted to. There's an ongoing investigation on the Miami football team right now, is he going to suspend Andre Johnson if it's uncovered he was given inpropper benefits? Doubtfull. If the NCAA goes back next year and "ya know what, Cam Newton did know about his father's actions" is the Goodell going to then suspend him after a year of no action? Probably not. To me this seems like Goodell randomly picking an ant to burn with his magnifying glass.

I agree 100%! However I am not completely sure but I think it has to do with Pryor being suspended by the NCAA. Pryor was suspended the first 5 games of the 2011 season. Pryor opted out of his senior season to enter the draft. I think the punishment is linked to Pryor not serving his NCAA suspension.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What really should have happened was Pryor should not have been declared eligible for any supplemental draft. Goodell has just done the kid a huge favor so he decided to temper it a bit with the 5 game suspension.

Of course, as I mentioned in another post, I can't believe people are making such a big deal about a guy who will be a backup (3rd string) QB for 3 years before being cut from the NFL.

Why should he have been declared ineligible? He recieved inpropper benifits and decided to quit the team, when it was obvious he was going to be kicked off. Ohio State has even said since that Pryor wouldn't be able to return. So he has no college eligability left, and what players have done in the past in the same situation is turn to the supplemental draft.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I agree 100%! However I am not completely sure but I think it has to do with Pryor being suspended by the NCAA. Pryor was suspended the first 5 games of the 2011 season. Pryor opted out of his senior season to enter the draft. I think the punishment is linked to Pryor not serving his NCAA suspension.

If you get suspended by your job and basically say, "**** this, I quit." Do you think your next employer will honor that suspension? Makes no sense considering it's 2 different leagues. My problem is, there is absolutely no way this will be enforced going forward. If so, then it's not a bad start, but imo, you would need to suspend anyone who broke the rules once it was discovered, even if it goes back a few years.

 

[Rogah]

Why should he have been declared ineligible?

Because I don't think a college player should be able to skip the regular draft then decide to quit his college team because he doesn't like what's going on there and then be able to just up and join the NFL that same year.

There's a reason why college players have until a certain, specific date to declare if they are staying in college or want to enter the NFL draft. Like so many other areas of his life, Pryor just doesn't feel rules apply to him.

He recieved inpropper benifits and decided to quit the team, when it was obvious he was going to be kicked off. Ohio State has even said since that Pryor wouldn't be able to return. So he has no college eligability left, and what players have done in the past in the same situation is turn to the supplemental draft.

And that's precisely why he should not have been able to join the NFL until the 2012 draft. Is this going to be the new rule? If you want to skip the NFL draft, just break enough rules to get kicked off your college team and *poof* you're in the supplemental draft? Suppose Andrew Luck saw the lockout end a couple weeks ago and changed his mind about playing this year so he announced he was taking money from an agent so he can't play at Stanford this year so he wants in too. Would that be ok in your book?

I'd be pretty upset about this whole thing if we were actually talking about a talented player (such as Luck) which some team had an unfair opportunity to acquire. But I'm having a hard time getting terribly upset over a guy who won't even be in the NFL after spending a couple years as a career backup

 

[Rogah]

If you get suspended by your job and basically say, "**** this, I quit." Do you think your next employer will honor that suspension? Makes no sense considering it's 2 different leagues. My problem is, there is absolutely no way this will be enforced going forward. If so, then it's not a bad start, but imo, you would need to suspend anyone who broke the rules once it was discovered, even if it goes back a few years.

This 5 game suspension was essentially made a condition of allowing him to join the supplemental draft, and Pryor is perfectly happy with that since he knows he shouldn't be eligible for the supplemental draft in the first place, so you won't be hearing any complaining from him (or the union).

But AFAIK, the new CBA doesn't give the NFL the authority to punish players after-the-fact for things they did in college, so I don't think there is a rat's chance in heck we start seeing that happen.

 

[hookemhorns72]

If you get suspended by your job and basically say, "**** this, I quit." Do you think your next employer will honor that suspension? Makes no sense considering it's 2 different leagues. My problem is, there is absolutely no way this will be enforced going forward. If so, then it's not a bad start, but imo, you would need to suspend anyone who broke the rules once it was discovered, even if it goes back a few years.

Fortunately my job isn't as high profile as an NFL player. I may not have agreed with Goodell all the time but I think if something is to be done to curtail the 'things' that have happened or is currently happening to the U, there needs to be a standard set. If the NCAA is not going to allow players getting paid.

 

[hookemhorns72]

If you get suspended by your job and basically say, "**** this, I quit." Do you think your next employer will honor that suspension? Makes no sense considering it's 2 different leagues. My problem is, there is absolutely no way this will be enforced going forward. If so, then it's not a bad start, but imo, you would need to suspend anyone who broke the rules once it was discovered, even if it goes back a few years.

Don't misunderstand me, I agree with what you are saying!

 

[Arch Stanton]

So does Pete Carroll now get a suspension?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Because I don't think a college player should be able to skip the regular draft then decide to quit his college team because he doesn't like what's going on there and then be able to just up and join the NFL that same year.

He didn't "quit" on his team. I don't know if it was his idea or the school's, but it was obvious what was happening and it was either him attempting to jump on the grenade or the school throwing him onto it.

However, that's what the supplemental draft is for. Our own Josh Brent, declared ineligiable. Jeremy Jarmon tested positive for a performance enhancer and was deemed ineligible. Jared Gaither and Oliver Paul, acedimically ineligible. I can go all the way back a few decades, but this is what the supplemental draft is for

There's a reason why college players have until a certain, specific date to declare if they are staying in college or want to enter the NFL draft. Like so many other areas of his life, Pryor just doesn't feel rules apply to him.
And that's precisely why he should not have been able to join the NFL until the 2012 draft. Is this going to be the new rule? If you want to skip the NFL draft, just break enough rules to get kicked off your college team and *poof* you're in the supplemental draft? Suppose Andrew Luck saw the lockout end a couple weeks ago and changed his mind about playing this year so he announced he was taking money from an agent so he can't play at Stanford this year so he wants in too. Would that be ok in your book?

I'd be pretty upset about this whole thing if we were actually talking about a talented player (such as Luck) which some team had an unfair opportunity to acquire. But I'm having a hard time getting terribly upset over a guy who won't even be in the NFL after spending a couple years as a career backup

Bernie Kosar did this and they changed the rules some to keep this from happening. However if Luck had decided to do this, Carolina would only need to forfeit their 1rst rounder for him to secure his rights (and likely trade either him or Newton for more than a 1rst) so it would be for nothing.

He would actually end up with less money because they would not be obligated to pay him #1 overall money.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

This 5 game suspension was essentially made a condition of allowing him to join the supplemental draft, and Pryor is perfectly happy with that since he knows he shouldn't be eligible for the supplemental draft in the first place, so you won't be hearing any complaining from him (or the union).

But AFAIK, the new CBA doesn't give the NFL the authority to punish players after-the-fact for things they did in college, so I don't think there is a rat's chance in heck we start seeing that happen.

It was a condition that wasn't needed. The only thing different about Pryor is he quit before he was kicked off the team. But the fact remains that he would not be eligible to play for Ohio State in 2011 had he stayed.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

So does Pete Carroll now get a suspension?

Yeah, Goodell wants to send a message, here's a guy who "quit" his team because of the mess he allowed.

 

[Rogah]

He didn't "quit" on his team. I don't know if it was his idea or the school's, but it was obvious what was happening and it was either him attempting to jump on the grenade or the school throwing him onto it.

However, that's what the supplemental draft is for. Our own Josh Brent, declared ineligiable. Jeremy Jarmon tested positive for a performance enhancer and was deemed ineligible. Jared Gaither and Oliver Paul, acedimically ineligible. I can go all the way back a few decades, but this is what the supplemental draft is for


Bernie Kosar did this and they changed the rules some to keep this from happening. However if Luck had decided to do this, Carolina would only need to forfeit their 1rst rounder for him to secure his rights (and likely trade either him or Newton for more than a 1rst) so it would be for nothing.

He would actually end up with less money because they would not be obligated to pay him #1 overall money.

With this new CBA he'd probably end up with more money because he wouldn't be slotted in to a set position, so he could act like every other top pick before this year and hold out for a big payday.

 

[Rogah]

It was a condition that wasn't needed. The only thing different about Pryor is he quit before he was kicked off the team. But the fact remains that he would not be eligible to play for Ohio State in 2011 had he stayed.

In one post you say he didn't quit and in this one you say he did. So which is it?

I don't think a player should be allowed to just decide to up and quit on his team and waltz straight into the NFL, bypassing the usual method. And if this was actually a prospect of Andrew Luck's caliber, all hell would be breaking loose right now.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

In one post you say he didn't quit and in this one you say he did. So which is it?

I don't think a player should be allowed to just decide to up and quit on his team and waltz straight into the NFL, bypassing the usual method. And if this was actually a prospect of Andrew Luck's caliber, all hell would be breaking loose right now.

I don't consider it "quiting" because everyone involved knew what the outcome would be onnce the facts came out. If I did something at my job and they gave me the option of quiting or getting fired, is there really an option? I'd be an idiot for being in that position, but not a quiter.

Again if Andrew Luck did this, how would he benifit? The Panthers would have the first chance at him, just like they would have if he entered the draft. The Panthers if anything would be the only ones to benifit because they could deal him or Newton for several draft picks including a 1rst rounder.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

With this new CBA he'd probably end up with more money because he wouldn't be slotted in to a set position, so he could act like every other top pick before this year and hold out for a big payday.

I don't agree at all. Before rookies could demand whatever they wanted. Like Michael Crabtree or any QB taken below another position player. With the new slotting system, he would lose money, not get more.