NFLN: Top 10 Clutch Quarterbacks... Staubach #4

#1: Young and Aikman DO NOT deserve to be on there. The clutch they're refering to, if you'd seen the show, is mostly about being able to come from behind in big games. Thus why they referenced things like Montana and The Catch, the come from behinds against Cincy in the Superbowls, and Elway and The Drive.

#2: Bradshaw should be on this list.

#3: Anyone who doesn't think Elway deserves to be where he is at are quite frankly ignorant.

He brought the broncos, from behind, to win the Superbowl over Greenbay. He has the most come from behind victories (Unless Farve some how got that one too and I missed it) in the history of the game.

He was the QB for one of the most historic come from behind victories, The Drive (on a team with very little talent, IMO), in NFL history.

Yeah, without a doubt, Elway should be no less than #2.
 
AtlCB;2075026 said:
How did Dan Marino and Steve Young make that list? Neither QB was great at coming from behind and neither took it up a notch in big games. Both QB's were very good, but they were not clutch QB's. John Elway at #2 is also a joke.


i agree on marino. the guy was mr. choke in big games. nice career overall, but i don't recall where he was mr. clutch at any point...
 
dbair1967;2074986 said:
"clutch" has many meanings...it doesnt say "best comeback QB's"

since it says "clutch" to me that means playing your best in big games, and in that instance I dont see how Aikman cant be on the list...he was money in big games, regular or postseason

David

I completly agree.
 
WoodysGirl;2074364 said:
10. Dan Marino
9. Steve Young
8. Bart Starr
7. Otto Graham
6. Ken Stabler
5. Johnny Unitas
4. Roger Staubach
3. Tom Brady
2. John Elway
1. Joe Montana

Edit: There was alot of disagreement over the list among the folks asked. Lots of admitted bias.

Sham all over Staubach. Terrell Davis all over Elway. Tom Curran all over Brady (mentioned how he would've been greatest EVER had he won their last SB)

1. Roger Staubach
2. John Elway (who said he patterned his playing style after Roger's)
3. Joe Montana (debateable)
4. Pick a name....

The list had a few mistakes in it that needed correcting:D
 
how can anyone disagree w/ Elway's inclusion on this list?

he only holds the NFL record for come-from-behind wins
 
Super Joe has the edge on ROger mainly because he played a lot longer.
 
fiveandcounting;2074545 said:
sorry Aikman almost never had any dramatic comebacks. I remember one regular season game in Denver, cant even think of another, and no I dont count these 'comebacks" where the score is 17-20 when the 4th quarter starts and you win 24-20.

I agree that Aikman wasn't known for comeback victories, but in my opinion neither was Steve Young. Both were very good players on very good teams, and Aikman outplayed Young in most of the head to head matchups. I was just saying if you put Young on the list, you have to put Aikman on. I don't have a problem with Troy not being there, but if Steve is on the list, then I don't understand why Troy isn't. I hope that clarifies what I was getting at.
 
Bob Sacamano;2075251 said:
how can anyone disagree w/ Elway's inclusion on this list?

he only holds the NFL record for come-from-behind wins

Well apparently he didn't do well in stopping Timmy Smith or Doug Williams.
 
fiveandcounting;2074545 said:
sorry Aikman almost never had any dramatic comebacks. I remember one regular season game in Denver, cant even think of another, and no I dont count these 'comebacks" where the score is 17-20 when the 4th quarter starts and you win 24-20.

who cares about comebacks? Why not play good for 60 minutes and get your team out to a lead and not have to make a comeback? I've always thought this was one of THE most overrated things talked about in football

and if you want to blame the defense for whomever falling behind, then you also have to give the defense credit for the "comeback" because if the defense never stopped the other team, the offense could never comeback to begin with

David
 
dbair1967;2075812 said:
who cares about comebacks? Why not play good for 60 minutes and get your team out to a lead and not have to make a comeback? I've always thought this was one of THE most overrated things talked about in football

and if you want to blame the defense for whomever falling behind, then you also have to give the defense credit for the "comeback" because if the defense never stopped the other team, the offense could never comeback to begin with

David

Finally, someone points out how idiotic it is to laud comebacks. Hey, maybe if you weren't shooting blanks and actually scoring some points in the 1st-half, you wouldn't have needed to later on. Why does it matter when you score points, as long as you score them?

As far as the "it takes guts to not give up when you're team is down" mentality, isn't not giving up obligatory when you're a professional athlete? How is doing something that's obligatory "heroic"? How is something you're supposed/expected to do a laudable act unless you're a firefighter or a soldier or something?
 
Clutch is indeed not just comebacks; so in reality you need to actually separate the two areas. Clutch is what AIkman did time and again so that we rarely ever had to come back.
On the other hand comebacks also depend on who you are coming back against and how did it happen. DId it happen like in our Buffalo game where ROmo stank it up for 3+ quarters? At that point trying to give him credit for coming back is not exactly a real plus over all.

Going strictly by comebacks you have to say Montana because he did it so well for so long; and Elway and Roger are right there as well. Not a whole lot of difference betweeen the 3 of them.
 
Gonna throw out a name here... Brian Sipe. I know, nothing special as far as total wins go, but the Kardiac Kids? Could care less about the team but I think he belongs in there above some of those guys.
 
WoodysGirl;2074364 said:
10. Dan Marino
9. Steve Young
8. Bart Starr
7. Otto Graham
6. Ken Stabler
5. Johnny Unitas
4. Roger Staubach
3. Tom Brady
2. John Elway
1. Joe Montana
If I had to settle on this list, there would have to be a few switcheroos.

Brady over Staubach and Unitas? Please. If not for Vinatieri, he would be sitting at #9 looking up the backside of Starr at #8 and perched in front of Young at #10.

Graham, Marino and Stabler would occupy slots five, six and seven. Johnny U doesn't get enough love. He would be #4 on my list.

THE Captain Comeback would be in a three-way tie with Montana and Elway at #1. No way would I grade either player higher than Staubach in a 'clutch' category.
 
GimmeTheBall!;2074369 said:
Any list that does not include Danny White is suspect!!!!

Any list that puts Steve Young over Dan Marino IS suspect. Steve Young has to be the most over rated QB ever. Yeah I know he has the numbers. But I honestly believe it was the system. The guy was just horrible when he played for the Bucs.
 

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