NFLPA Didn't Even Look At Offer?

[Hoofbite]

On my phone so can't provide a lot but ESPN has an article about the owners having income for this season.

Theres a quote from Art Rooney that says they didn't even look at the last offer.

What a joke.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here's the quote.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6215282&top

Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney II told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that the players never even considered the owners' final proposal Friday.

"What we offered them, there's no reason why they wouldn't take it and look at it," he told the newspaper. "They could have said 'That's not enough, we need more.' That wouldn't have been surprising. But, to not even take it, I'm not sure what purpose that served.

"That was probably another indication they weren't that interested [in negotiating]. It made us think this was their plan all along."

 

[YosemiteSam]

DeMaurice Smith is trying to make a name for himself. He wants to be the next Gene Upshaw. Problem is, he is too stupid.

 

[AdamJT13]

The NFLPA wanted every team's financials for the past 10 years. Without that, they weren't going to agree to anything less than what they already had, so it didn't matter what the NFL offered.

 

[Hoofbite]

The NFLPA wanted every team's financials for the past 10 years. Without that, they weren't going to agree to anything less than what they already had, so it didn't matter what the NFL offered.

What if the offer was equal to what they had?

Assuming it was lesser and rejecting it outright seems pretty stupid.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

DeMaurice Smith wants to become the most hated person alive.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The NFLPA wanted every team's financials for the past 10 years. Without that, they weren't going to agree to anything less than what they already had, so it didn't matter what the NFL offered.

Which they do not have any legal right to see. Which is why I think they NFLPA is whipped from the get go. They think they can repeat 1989-1992, but this isn't about free agency and them not having a choice where they can sign. This is about money and they were offered an enormous amount of money and refused to even look at the offer because they wanted to see something they had no rights to see if the first place.

I think the NFLPA is about to take a whipping of the highest order. I'm under the impression that even Doty couldn't have helped them here.

 

[Hostile]

Back when Pittsburgh was making its Super Bowl run the Rooney's were lauded as fine, upstanding football men by bitter Cowboys fans here.

Now he'll be branded a liar. Probably by the same fans.

 

[YosemiteSam]

What if the offer was equal to what they had?

Assuming it was lesser and rejecting it outright seems pretty stupid.

Smith wants to split every last cent the NFL earns. That is why he wants to see all the books. This is 100% about extreme greed.

 

[AdamJT13]

What if the offer was equal to what they had?

I'm sure they knew that the NFL wouldn't suddenly offer the status quo.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm sure they knew that the NFL wouldn't suddenly offer the status quo.

No kidding, there would have been no point in opting out in the first place.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm sure they knew that the NFL wouldn't suddenly offer the status quo.

Whether or not that was their belief, refusing to look at the offer based on that is foolish.

They didn't have to offer an exact copy but they could have offered something very worthwhile.

Just a stupid move. They should have looked if only to keep up appearances of trying to get a deal done.

 

[theogt]

Which they do not have any legal right to see.

And the owners have no legal right to lock out the players, no right to cap salaries, no right to free agency restrictions, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Dough Boy]

Whether or not that was their belief, refusing to look at the offer based on that is foolish.

They didn't have to offer an exact copy but they could have offered something very worthwhile.

Just a stupid move. They should have looked if only to keep up appearances of trying to get a deal done.

Here is a question about this topic. Did the players need to see the financial statements to get the pay raise (increased salary cap) they received in the last CBA.

I also hear the players want the statements because they believe the owners are 'wasting' money. That is, the teams would not lose money if they operated more efficiently. Here is the question, how many players are CEO of multi-million dollar business?

 

[Hostile]

Here is a question about this topic. Did the players need to see the financial statements to get the pay raise (increased salary cap) they received in the last CBA.

I also hear the players want the statements because they believe the owners are 'wasting' money. That is, the teams would not lose money if they operated more efficiently. Here is the question, how many players are CEO of multi-million dollar business?

Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking this for days. All it got me was a label of NFL fanboy by one butthurt officionado.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And the owners have no legal right to lock out the players, no right to cap salaries, no right to free agency restrictions, etc., etc., etc.

I agree. This is where the players will win the first battle. The courts will break the lockout, but only for players that are under contract. If FAs don't have contracts, the league doesn't have to sign them to a new one. They will be officially out of work as far as I can tell. (well if the league decides not to resign them)

As for salary caps and free agency restrictions, those was a part of the CBA, without one there is no cap or restrictions.

Still doesn't change the fact that the NFLPA has no right to see the NFL's books though.

 

[theogt]

I agree. This is where the players will win the first battle. The courts will break the lockout, but only for players that are under contract. If FAs don't have contracts, the league doesn't have to sign them to a new one. They will be officially out of work as far as I can tell. (well if the league decides not to resign them)

As for salary caps and free agency restrictions, those was a part of the CBA, without one there is no cap or restrictions.

Still doesn't change the fact that the NFLPA has no right to see the NFL's books though.

Right, but my point is that the NFL was asking for those things even though they didn't have a right to them. Just like the players are asking for financials even thought they don't a right to them....

 

[CCBoy]

Right, but my point is that the NFL was asking for those things even though they didn't have a right to them. Just like the players are asking for financials even thought they don't a right to them....

Mute issues...as a binding contract was already in place establishing such features. It was a requirement for employment. Not an inherent right as such.

 

[Doomsay]

I would imagine that access to the financials would have been a pre-condition for any financial discussions, especially since the teams' alleged economic issues were the reason for opting out in the the first place. The NFL should have just set up a limited access data room with the audited 10 year histories.

 

[theogt]

Mute issues...as a binding contract was already in place establishing such features. It was a requirement for employment. Not an inherent right as such.

The owners opted out.