NFP: Outside Linebacker Projections

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This draft class features a healthy group of players who could be considered as 4-3 defensive ends or 3-4 outside linebackers. The tricky part is identifying which players suit which defenses best. I asked several front office men about the players who are strong possibilities for both positions. Here are some of their thoughts.

Courtney Upshaw, Alabama: Multiple scouts said they believe the 6-1, 272 pounder can play outside linebacker or defensive end. Upshaw plays with fine power and leverage. One scout said you wouldn’t want to make a living dropping him, however.

Andre Branch, Clemson: At 6-4, 259, Branch has the athleticism to stand up. He can bend, turn and burst to get to the passer. He is similar to Whitney Mercilus, except not quite as dynamic. However, instincts could hold him back at OLB, according to one front office man.

Vinny Curry, Marshall: Physically, there is no doubt the 6-3, 266 pounder can play linebacker in a 3-4. He explodes off the edge and can get under blocks.

Curry has speed and is a natural pass rusher. The only issue, according to multiple scouts, is whether or not he can learn a new position and master it.

Melvin Ingram, South Carolina: He moved around a lot in college and has experience playing OLB, but NFL teams have struggled finding a position for him in the pros. At 6-1, 264, Ingram may be too short and compact for outside linebacker. He has 31 ½ inch arms. That’s trouble. “Big tackles and tight ends will be able to get their hands on him, and then he’s done,” one personnel man said.

Bruce Irvin, West Virginia: The fear is that at 245 pounds, Irvin isn’t big enough to put his hand in the dirt, and he doesn’t have the understanding of the game to play outside linebacker. Coaches will have a hard time trusting him as an outside linebacker, but it may be the only thing he can do.

Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma: He played some outside linebacker in college, but he didn’t do it well. Some NFL teams believe the 6-2, 253 pound Lewis is best suited to play defensive end, where his athleticism, quickness and explosion is more evident.

Brandon Lindsey, Pittsburgh: One veteran front office man said he believes his best position would be defensive end, but there is a chance the 6-1, 254 pounder could play outside linebacker. He lacks ideal length for the position.

Jonathan Massaquoi, Troy: At 6-2, 254, he has everything physically to play outside linebacker. Massaquoi knows how to use leverage and strength. There is a question on whether or not he has the instincts to play off the line, however.

Shea McClellin, Boise State: He is one of the best 3-4 outside linebacker prospects in the draft. He played all over in college, but he can definitely rush the passer standing up, and drop when necessary. He has drawn comparisons to Mike Vrabel.

Whitney Mercilus, Illinois: He has looked outstanding in outside linebacker positional drills and is a special athlete. Mercilus is a complete package who can play either outside linebacker or defensive end, assuming he can hold his weight.

Nick Perry, Southern Cal:He showed his athleticism at the combine. This is a pure pass rusher from a three point stance or two point stance. At 6-3, 271, he is built more like a defensive end, however.

read the rest here: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-scouts-a-look-at-the-top-OLBDE-prospects.html
 
Shea McClellin, Boise State: He is one of the best 3-4 outside linebacker prospects in the draft. He played all over in college, but he can definitely rush the passer standing up, and drop when necessary. He has drawn comparisons to Mike Vrabel.

Whitney Mercilus, Illinois: He has looked outstanding in outside linebacker positional drills and is a special athlete. Mercilus is a complete package who can play either outside linebacker or defensive end, assuming he can hold his weight.

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We should be able to snap up Mercilus in Round 1, but if we go in a different direction in Round 1, there's a good chance to get McClellin in Round 2.
 
The thing that doesn't get mentioned enough about Irvin is that this is guy with extreme explosiveness upfield combined with great agility. Tack that on with proven ability to eat up QBs at a major college program and a hunger for the game.

I do agree that right off the bat he may only be a standup nickel passrushing DE but I also believe that he can be good at it right off the bat. Not many OTs in the league will have much experience going up against a guy his size with CB type speed and agility. Combine that with the offense already shifted over to help with Ware and we may have solved our pass rush issues.

If all we get out of Irvin is a 10-sack guy at the nickel DE who can play some snaps at SOLB without embarassing himself that is a pretty good pick in the second round.

I do agree that the best bets for all-around OLBs with some pass-rush ability are McClellin, Ingram and Whitney.
 
Eskimo;4478918 said:
The thing that doesn't get mentioned enough about Irvin is that this is guy with extreme explosiveness upfield combined with great agility. Tack that on with proven ability to eat up QBs at a major college program and a hunger for the game.

I do agree that right off the bat he may only be a standup nickel passrushing DE but I also believe that he can be good at it right off the bat. Not many OTs in the league will have much experience going up against a guy his size with CB type speed and agility. Combine that with the offense already shifted over to help with Ware and we may have solved our pass rush issues.

If all we get out of Irvin is a 10-sack guy at the nickel DE who can play some snaps at SOLB without embarassing himself that is a pretty good pick in the second round.

I do agree that the best bets for all-around OLBs with some pass-rush ability are McClellin, Ingram and Whitney.

My top 3 "all rounders" at OLBs are like yours, Ingram, Mercellus, and McClellin. I have to say that Perry is intriuging as well, though I'm not as sold on him.

But I'd be fine with Irvin as a situational pass rusher. What I don't know is whether the Cowboys would deem that worthy of a 2nd round pick. Because I don't think Irvin will last to our 3rd round pick.
 
I'm telling you, Ingram's lack of length is going to scare away the Cowboys.
 
Woods;4478931 said:
My top 3 "all rounders" at OLBs are like yours, Ingram, Mercellus, and McClellin. I have to say that Perry is intriuging as well, though I'm not as sold on him.

But I'd be fine with Irvin as a situational pass rusher. What I don't know is whether the Cowboys would deem that worthy of a 2nd round pick. Because I don't think Irvin will last to our 3rd round pick.

As for Perry - he is very stiff, poor change of direction skills. He is really an edge rushing DE.

Irvin may be one-dimensional but it is the most important dimension in defense in the modern NFL and we are sorely lacking there outside of Ware.

I actually do think Irvin is worth the second round pick and I have a lot of doubt about whether he will even be on the board there.

People question his strength to set the edge but he has long arms, decent strength and even if he gives a bit on the edge he may just be able to chase the player down with his speed. He certainly has a lot of desire so his development will be quite interesting.
 
Teague31;4478936 said:
Nick perry is starting to grow on me.

Perry is a DE - he lacks agility and change of direction skills. He is a linear athlete and I wonder how well his numbers translate to the pro game. Call me skeptical about him.
 
ddh33;4478934 said:
I'm telling you, Ingram's lack of length is going to scare away the Cowboys.

its possible,he doesnt fit the mold of OLBs we like with height and long arms but it will be a mistake,he is a kind relentless player we should have on our defense.
 
Trade down in the 1st, pick up Konz or Cox

2nd round: McCleilin or Zeitler

3rd round: best available CB
 
Eskimo;4478918 said:
I do agree that the best bets for all-around OLBs with some pass-rush ability are McClellin, Ingram and Whitney.

Yeah, but Ingram's lack of height and short arms are a concern.
 
I might be alone, but I really like Curry as a pass rusher. He just has a knack for getting after the passer. There are guys who are a little bigger or faster than him, but he just knows how to play football.

I like McLelland too. If we want to use a high pick on a pass rusher, I hope we go DeCastro in round 1 (if available) and then take either Curry or McLelland in the second.

Like someone already mentioned, the Cowboys are pretty big on measurables (length) so I think that Ingram in the first might not be in the cards.
 
I like either...

#14 - DeCastro
#45 - McClellin

or...

#14 - Mercilus
#45 - Zeitler/Brooks
 
Eskimo;4478918 said:
The thing that doesn't get mentioned enough about Irvin is that this is guy with extreme explosiveness upfield combined with great agility. Tack that on with proven ability to eat up QBs at a major college program and a hunger for the game.

I do agree that right off the bat he may only be a standup nickel passrushing DE but I also believe that he can be good at it right off the bat. Not many OTs in the league will have much experience going up against a guy his size with CB type speed and agility. Combine that with the offense already shifted over to help with Ware and we may have solved our pass rush issues.

If all we get out of Irvin is a 10-sack guy at the nickel DE who can play some snaps at SOLB without embarassing himself that is a pretty good pick in the second round.

I do agree that the best bets for all-around OLBs with some pass-rush ability are McClellin, Ingram and Whitney.

I agree, Irvin is the most explosive off the snap in this draft and has the best lateral agility. He has a move where he rushes to the outside, and if the OT over-commits to the outside by just a half-step, it is over...Irvin is instantly back to the inside and on the QB.

Rob Ryan could move Irvin around. He could line him up as an ILB on occasion...with his athleticism, I don't expect him to have any problem in coverage.
 
AsthmaField;4479025 said:
I might be alone, but I really like Curry as a pass rusher. He just has a knack for getting after the passer. There are guys who are a little bigger or faster than him, but he just knows how to play football.

I like McLelland too. If we want to use a high pick on a pass rusher, I hope we go DeCastro in round 1 (if available) and then take either Curry or McLelland in the second.

Like someone already mentioned, the Cowboys are pretty big on measurables (length) so I think that Ingram in the first might not be in the cards.

Some team is going to get a good deal if Curry is available in the late 2nd as projected.
 
Eskimo;4478962 said:
Perry is a DE - he lacks agility and change of direction skills. He is a linear athlete and I wonder how well his numbers translate to the pro game. Call me skeptical about him.

Agree. I often call BS when analyst says a prospect has stiff hips, but with Perry, it easy to see. In addition, his measureables confirm what you see. He had the worst Cone and SS of the top 10 OLB prospects.
 
xwalker;4479176 said:
I agree, Irvin is the most explosive off the snap in this draft and has the best lateral agility. He has a move where he rushes to the outside, and if the OT over-commits to the outside by just a half-step, it is over...Irvin is instantly back to the inside and on the QB.

Rob Ryan could move Irvin around. He could line him up as an ILB on occasion...with his athleticism, I don't expect him to have any problem in coverage.

I remember that people had lots of reservations about Ware and what he would do in coverage. He had the physical ability based on the Combine but no one had really seen him do it on tape.

Early in the preseason he was out defending the flat against Reggie Bush. Bush caught the ball in front of Ware and got absolutely nowhere - Ware took him down with ease in the open field. The point being just because a guy hasn't done it in a game doesn't mean he can't do. It is a different story altogether when you see that he can't do it in the game. I have every reason to believe Irvin should at least be adequate in coverage with his long arms, quick feet and excellent change of directions skills. He does need some coaching in this regard but with his work ethic and hunger I think he'll be much better than Spencer when all is said and done.
 

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