NFP: S Moore gaining lot of attention from Cowboys & Bears

realtick;3914357 said:
The one thing that I don't really like about Moore is that he's a bit high-waisted which makes him a little stiff.

He'll take some bad angles and has difficulty changing directions. He's not a thumper, but I think he's actually a pretty fundamentally sound tackler once he gets his arms on you.

Also, the kid needs to work on his conditioning. I read somewhere that he tested out at 15% body fat, which was good for second worst of all the DBs. Football players don't have to be body builders or models, but that needs to be improved which would help his speed and quickness.

me too he probably got that body fat from trying to bulk up as much as he could before the combine which also hurt his 40 time and other speed related drills.
Or this can contribute to him being a lazy player. He got 10 ints the year before and started smelling his self and then didn't have a good year in 2010, something like Mike jenkins last year.
 
jblaze2004;3914359 said:
me too he probably got that body fat from trying to bulk up as much as he could before the combine which also hurt his 40 time and other speed related drills.
Or this can contribute to him being a lazy player. He got 10 ints the year before and started smelling his self and then didn't have a good year in 2010, something like Mike jenkins last year.


Well no excuse for the fat, but I don't think he had a bad yr last yr from all i've seen and read.
 
jblaze2004;3914330 said:
i think he goes in the 2nd round (late second in the 20's maybe)

That was in reference to someone saying they liked guys in the 3rd round better. I didn't word it correctly
 
I love this kid. He's so fluid and a true centerfielder. He's also healthy , and a true free saftey there is no red shirt risk like i think there will be with a duenta . or no conversion risk like with a williams . Yeah those kids could turn out great but this kids a step above them IMO

I really like the idea of signing Huff like alot of you guys but he may not even be a free agent (he could be restricted) and he also could be to expensive.


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:cool: AOA

do anybody know what position did we have him at last year.
I thought last year he was great value in the 4th round. I hope we have something in him. He looks like a true center fielder. And he can play cb so if we need our safety to drop down and play a TE or wr, he has experience doing it.
 
realtick;3914357 said:
Also, the kid needs to work on his conditioning. I read somewhere that he tested out at 15% body fat, which was good for second worst of all the DBs. Football players don't have to be body builders or models, but that needs to be improved which would help his speed and quickness.

This should improve once he gets on a pro team. The situation with the strength & conditioning department is a bit of a mess at UCLA right now. I'm pretty good friends with one of the coaches down there. The good news is that he is a hard worker, from what I've been hearing. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Cowboys.
 
would love him in the 3rd, but dont think he will be there. He interviews really well. He said he is a film room junky, and that his job is to know what the other 10 guys on defense was doing on every play. I just cant get over his 4.6 forty.
 
yea I wonder about him also - just sure what to think about him


Can get confused by complex formations where multiple receivers are lined up on the same side and

Needs Improvement: Has a slight body frame and isn’t a powerful hitter. Strength is only adequate at the point of attack and can’t always make the tackle one-on-one on an island. Won’t be much of a threat close to the line of scrimmage at the next level; lacks the strength to consistently set the edge in contain or avoid getting washed out of the play by lineman in run support.
Doesn’t always feel the run play developing in front of him and will allow ball carrier to get on top of him before he reacts; instincts and anticipation are questionable at times. Tackling technique is off/on as are his pursuit angles


http://nflmocks.com/2011/03/27/scouting-report-ucla-safety-rahim-moore/
Weaknesses

Breaking Down When Tackling
This is without a doubt Moore’s biggest weakness when watching him on film, in my opinion. When running backs get through the hole and into the secondary, he does not do a good job of breaking down and wrapping up the runner. Often times he leaves his feet and tries to throw himself at the back’s upper body, only slowing him down for a split second. I would like to see him show better form when tackling and being aggressive when coming up to make the tackle, not waiting for the running back to make contact with him.

Disengaging from Wide Receiver Blocks
Often times on big run plays by the offense, I saw Moore not being able to get off of receivers’ blocks downfield. While he sometimes did a good job of moving the receiver to force the running back to cut a certain direction, he needs to be able to shed those blocks and make the tackle in order to be a good NFL safety. The ability to shed blocks as a safety and make the play can sometimes save a defense from giving up huge gains and even touchdowns.

One-Dimensional
After reading the previous strengths and weaknesses of my scouting report, you can probably draw the conclusion that I am high on Moore’s ability to play the pass but believes he needs to improve a lot when helping in run support. Teams who need help in pass coverage will have Moore higher up on their draft boards than teams who are looking for an aggressive safety that can effectively play in the box. The team that selects Moore approximately a month from now will likely not have him down near the line of scrimmage (besides short-yardage plays) but playing the deep zones where he excels.



http://draftbreakdown.com/scouting-report-rahim-moore

one guys opinion
Run Support

To be effective in run support Moore will need to add some bulk to his frame. He has not been particularly effective in this area in college but showed some improvement in his junior season which is a positive sign. While he doesn’t shy away from contact, Moore doesn’t seek it out either and will need to become a more aggressive player as he transitions into the NFL. His speed allows him to make some plays in the running game and he generally takes good angles to the ball in pursuit. He does not shed blocks well which is indicative of his lack of strength.
Physicality

This is an area in which I’ve been generally disappointed in what Moore shows on film. I feel he has the size to be a physical player but doesn’t show it on game day. He came to UCLA at 190 lbs. and has barely added any bulk to that frame. He doesn’t bring an intimidating presence to the defensive backfield and is passive in the run game.


Production/Experience

2010: Played in all 12 games; compiled 71 tackles, 3 tackles for loss and 1 interception.
2009: Played in all 13 games; compiled 49 tackles, 3 tackles for loss and 10 interceptions.
2008: Played in all 12 games; compiled 60 tackles and 3 interceptions
 
Read & React: Good instincts for the position. Reads the quarterback's eyes and has good feet, balance and straight-line speed, aiding him in being in consistently good position in coverage. Reads run quickly and is aggressive in downhill pursuit. Prone to overrunning the play and leaving potential cutback lanes for backs to exploit.

Man Coverage: Not often asked to drop down and cover the slot receiver, but shows quick feet, a low, tight backpedal and the straight-line speed to potentially handle this role in limited duty. Is a high-cut athlete and is a bit stiff in the hips, so he loses a step in his transition.

Zone Coverage: Good instincts and overall athleticism for zone coverage. Gains good depth due to his backpedal and can plant his foot in the ground and drive downhill on the ball. Good lateral agility and balance, despite his high-cut build and average hip flexibility to turn and run. Good acceleration and top-end speed to provide a safety net in deep coverage.

Closing/Recovery: Classic ball hawk. Reads the quarterback's eyes and breaks quickly when he reads target location. Good acceleration and straight-line speed. Very good ball skills. Times his leaps well and has good hand-eye coordination to make the difficult grab. Good vision and natural running skills with the football.
Run Support: Quickly reads run and shows the burst and aggression to beat blockers to the punch. Only average bulk and strength to fight through receiver blocks and can be held up. Can get out of control and overrun the play, giving the runner cutback opportunities. Takes questionable angles to the football, though he provides good effort.

Tackling: Isn't always a reliable open-field tackler, a negative as the team's last line of defense. Generally breaks down well, but will alternately take on ballcarriers too high and try to wrestle them to the ground or drop his head and resort to duck-and-swipe tackling leading to ugly missed tackles. Is willing to lower his shoulder into the receiver crossing the middle, but is not an intimidating presence.

Intangibles: A respected team leader who was voted a captain as a junior. Started all three seasons at UCLA, including as a true freshman -- the first Bruin to do so since Matt Ware (now with the Arizona Cardinals) did back in 2001. Wrote a 2,058-word statement thanking everyone from his mother, high school and college coaches, teammates and fans to NFL standouts Kenny Easley and Ed Reed for their help in his development.

Compares to: Madieu Williams, Vikings - An excellent athlete with quick feet who times well, Moore's ability to consistently produce big plays is questionable due to a lack of great instincts and inconsistent tackling. --Rob Rang
 
jblaze2004;3914390 said:
:cool: AOA

do anybody know what position did we have him at last year.
I thought last year he was great value in the 4th round. I hope we have something in him. He looks like a true center fielder. And he can play cb so if we need our safety to drop down and play a TE or wr, he has experience doing it.

my ears perked up when i read AOA.

AOA will be worth a 1st and a 3rd when its all said and done.

Obviously right now the best we could get out of him is probably a 3rd, but as he improves, so will his stock; and let me tell you...he has the potential to be the next superstar in this secondary for years to come

Having him and moore play in somewhat of a hybrid S role will really give us something we've lacked for close to a decade
 
rash;3914722 said:
my ears perked up when i read AOA.

AOA will be worth a 1st and a 3rd when its all said and done.

Obviously right now the best we could get out of him is probably a 3rd, but as he improves, so will his stock; and let me tell you...he has the potential to be the next superstar in this secondary for years to come

Having him and moore play in somewhat of a hybrid S role will really give us something we've lacked for close to a decade

Aaaaaaaaaaaand what are you basing any of that off of?

Him returning punts against 190 lb linebackers at IUP?

Him playing the equivalent of a rover in college?
 

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